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Lancer Maelstorm	Posted - 2007.05.30 01:25:00 - [1] Alright first of all I want to fly one for small gang ops, thats it. (In 0.0) Based on Command ship 4. Eos: 25% med hybrid damage, 37.5% armor rep 200m3 extra drone bay, 12% bonus to Info warfare links. Astarte: 25% hybrid damage 37.5% armor rep 20% hybrid damage, 40% falloff. They both look really nice, i was just wondering what you guys thought is more useful for small gang work, if i can use either T2 rails and blasters. and T2 med/heavy drones. --Lancer^
Horza Otho Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.05.30 01:51:00 - [2] Eos tanks better, and has better damage vs tank ratio for fitting if you have good drone skills, also good flexibility in slots to add to previous statement. All in all, imo Eos > Astarte.
Miss KillSome Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.05.30 06:50:00 - [3] eos all the way.. better resists, one more mid slot for ew, dual dmg mode: blasters and drones. And having one command mod in high, it pwns in your gang.. Astarte is gank, hit and run tactic. Warp to 2km, WTFPWNOMFGBBQ enemy and warp out, just have at least 2 MFS II fitted in lows. awesome dmg. Drones on astarte are for keeping inties away with warrirors II and fast cruisers. I always have 5 ecm drones in my astarte, just in case:D
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.30 07:02:00 - [4] both as good as each other. for small gangs astarte with neutron setup all the way personally.
MuffinsRevenger EmpiresMod	Posted - 2007.05.30 07:06:00 - [5] The astarte with neutrons is absolutly insane in a gang, you do absolutly crazy amount of damage The eos has similar properties, but really, if you can get your hands on a astarte, go for it you will love it
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.05.30 07:18:00 - [6] Does anyone think the Eos will be hit with the nerf bat someday? It is definitely a nice ship...too nice really. It seriously outshines the other three Fleet Command ships.
Riho Gallente Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.05.30 07:18:00 - [7] i prefer 250mm t2 rail astarte in gangs over blasters.... i really love shooting those nano ships that come orbiting me like nano curses, vagas, some huginns.... curses are the most funnyest tbh.. they think you cant hit them and in 3 volleys they are out of shield and deep into armor :) havent tested it but stuff orbiting me at 20-26km whit 4km/s i can hit 100% almost on all guns. the reason why i like rail astarte the most is the 1km to 40 km range on antimatter :P --------------------------------------- Sig killed by MODs.... reworking it Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- YARRRR, sig hijack! -HornFrog -----------------
Kay Rissa Russian Thunder Squad	Posted - 2007.05.30 11:24:00 - [8] both ships r nice...it depends on skills also... but usualy before u launch your heavy drones the target is dead anyway. so my preference is either 250 mm rails astarte or EOS with 250 rails and sentry drones + shield tank Proud member of RTSQ ps: i dont like to kill innocent ppl, so if i killed u, u rnt innocent
Dionisius Gallente LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.05.30 11:32:00 - [9] Edited by: Dionisius on 30/05/2007 11:33:34 Originally by: Kay Rissa both ships r nice...it depends on skills also... but usualy before u launch your heavy drones the target is dead anyway. so my preference is either 250 mm rails astarte or EOS with 250 rails and sentry drones + shield tank Rails and shield tank for PvP on an EOS? Fit blasters and armour tank that thing. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Akiman	Posted - 2007.05.30 12:56:00 - [10] Originally by: Dionisius Edited by: Dionisius on 30/05/2007 11:33:34 Originally by: Kay Rissa both ships r nice...it depends on skills also... but usualy before u launch your heavy drones the target is dead anyway. so my preference is either 250 mm rails astarte or EOS with 250 rails and sentry drones + shield tank Rails and shield tank for PvP on an EOS? Fit blasters and armour tank that thing. it depends on a situation and preference...really. in some gangs you wont able to get close fast enough and longe range combat is more safer and get u more kills...and i read eos can do some real shield tank if fitted right...so.. i still think drones sux. so ill keep my astarte...but ill get my hands on eos nevertheless. its a really fine ship.

lofty29 Athanasius Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.30 12:59:00 - [11] Originally by: Horza Otho Eos tanks better Wrong Originally by: Horza Otho and has better damage vs tank ratio The astarte can pump out 650 dps with a dual rep, injector, mwd fit, as does the eos. If you're running berzerkers on an eos, you're doing something wrong unless you know for sure you will be against armor tanks (Non amarrian) --- My sig has gone into exile This poster likes to tempt forum mods and has been voted most likely to get killed by an angry alligator - Ductoris
Ione Hunt Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.05.30 13:26:00 - [12] Astarte for med/larger gangs where damage is key. Eos for everything else, it's just the more versatile ship... _______________ random sig with a hot chick
Dash Ripcock 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.30 14:58:00 - [13] Astarte for general roaming gangs, as her damage will melt practically anything you throw it at. Eos is slower on the attack front but tougher and more durable, so better for prolonged fights or solo combat. That said I've lost two of 'em Outbreak - The Movie
Dash Ripcock 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.30 14:58:00 - [14] Astarte for general roaming gangs, as her damage will melt practically anything you throw it at. Eos is slower on the attack front but tougher and more durable, so better for prolonged fights or solo combat. That said I've lost two of 'em Outbreak - The Movie
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:10:00 - [15] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Horza Otho Eos tanks better Wrong Originally by: Horza Otho and has better damage vs tank ratio The astarte can pump out 650 dps with a dual rep, injector, mwd fit, as does the eos. If you're running berzerkers on an eos, you're doing something wrong unless you know for sure you will be against armor tanks (Non amarrian) I prefer beserkers sometimes. Beserkers replace the hammerheads than. Using ogre 2 on cruiser and above and use beserkers on faster cruisers or heavy armor tanking ships. _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
lofty29 Athanasius Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.30 15:17:00 - [16] Originally by: madaluap Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Horza Otho Eos tanks better Wrong Originally by: Horza Otho and has better damage vs tank ratio The astarte can pump out 650 dps with a dual rep, injector, mwd fit, as does the eos. If you're running berzerkers on an eos, you're doing something wrong unless you know for sure you will be against armor tanks (Non amarrian) I prefer beserkers sometimes. Beserkers replace the hammerheads than. Using ogre 2 on cruiser and above and use beserkers on faster cruisers or heavy armor tanking ships. But thats why I said use zerkers when you know you're only fighting armor tanks. If you're running with a bay of zerkers and you encounter a raven or two, you're ultimately ****** as you wont break him with zerkers. Ogres will beat armor and shield tanks quite well --- My sig has gone into exile This poster likes to tempt forum mods and has been voted most likely to get killed by an angry alligator - Ductoris
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.05.30 23:35:00 - [17] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: madaluap Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Horza Otho Eos tanks better Wrong Originally by: Horza Otho and has better damage vs tank ratio The astarte can pump out 650 dps with a dual rep, injector, mwd fit, as does the eos. If you're running berzerkers on an eos, you're doing something wrong unless you know for sure you will be against armor tanks (Non amarrian) I prefer beserkers sometimes. Beserkers replace the hammerheads than. Using ogre 2 on cruiser and above and use beserkers on faster cruisers or heavy armor tanking ships. But thats why I said use zerkers when you know you're only fighting armor tanks. If you're running with a bay of zerkers and you encounter a raven or two, you're ultimately ****** as you wont break him with zerkers. Ogres will beat armor and shield tanks quite well Get both? _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.05.30 23:38:00 - [18] Originally by: madaluap Get both? Then you can't have lights/meds for interceptors and fighters. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Horza Otho Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.05.30 23:51:00 - [19] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Horza Otho Eos tanks better Wrong Originally by: Horza Otho and has better damage vs tank ratio The astarte can pump out 650 dps with a dual rep, injector, mwd fit, as does the eos. If you're running berzerkers on an eos, you're doing something wrong unless you know for sure you will be against armor tanks (Non amarrian) You have your opinions and i have mine, i wont pull a ryssa and do the chart thing. But, i will say this, if you have half decent drone skills, it makes the eos so, so much better. 650 dps on both ships maybe... not counting my drones though.
Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.31 00:05:00 - [20] Edited by: Jin Entres on 31/05/2007 00:05:11 Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: madaluap Get both? Then you can't have lights/meds for interceptors and fighters. Yes you can. You don't need mediums. You can fit either 10 lights or 5 lights and 1 spare heavy like I do. Edit: Just realised you probably need CS V, though, so better train it or just ignore me. ---

Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.05.31 01:21:00 - [21] Originally by: Jin Entres Edited by: Jin Entres on 31/05/2007 00:05:11 Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: madaluap Get both? Then you can't have lights/meds for interceptors and fighters. Yes you can. You don't need mediums. You can fit either 10 lights or 5 lights and 1 spare heavy like I do. Edit: Just realised you probably need CS V, though, so better train it or just ignore me. I like to generally assume that people on forums have level 4 in the ship skill in question (unless they were just talking about flying a HAC when talking about a cruiser or something like that). With command ships 4 you have 250m3, which is room for 2x heavy squads and no spares. With 250m3 I like going with something along the lines of 5 heavies, 5 meds, 5 lights, 5 med armor repair. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Galen Silas Gallente Lucky Hydra Corp SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:15:00 - [22] Astarte would be your number 1 choice if you are in a gang that consists of maybe 1 squad. It's basically a blitz ship, get in there fast and wreck havoc on your enemy, they can also be fitted for good damage and a substantial tank. Eos is what you would want if you were going for giving gang bonus's really, even though it's main bonus lies with E-warfare gang mods it is still pretty effective when fitted with 3 gangs mods of any type at the same time. Not to mention it does have an extra midslot which can be used for e-warfare, and its massive drone bay that can hold a good amount of tech2 heavies and mediums, possibly even lights if you manage it right. The only real benefit I can see with the Eos over the Astarte is being able to hold its capacitor better, thats if it's fitted with some nos and maybe a cap injector, not to say the Astarte can't fit nos but you would be losing a big damage bonus right there, as where the Eos can use its drones plus whatever guns it has. NIIIIIIIIIIIICE!!
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:42:00 - [23] for 0.0 small gang i;d say eos every time. tanks a little better. can do more dps depending on fitting and tank better at the same time. no gate guns to worry about with drones and the extra mid is rather nice. for low sec gate work i go astarte and for larger ops cos generally by the time drones get there they are almost dead but for what u want i'd say eos. DE
Dionisius Gallente LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.05.31 21:41:00 - [24] Originally by: Akiman Originally by: Dionisius Edited by: Dionisius on 30/05/2007 11:33:34 Originally by: Kay Rissa both ships r nice...it depends on skills also... but usualy before u launch your heavy drones the target is dead anyway. so my preference is either 250 mm rails astarte or EOS with 250 rails and sentry drones + shield tank Rails and shield tank for PvP on an EOS? Fit blasters and armour tank that thing. it depends on a situation and preference...really. in some gangs you wont able to get close fast enough and longe range combat is more safer and get u more kills...and i read eos can do some real shield tank if fitted right...so.. i still think drones sux. so ill keep my astarte...but ill get my hands on eos nevertheless. its a really fine ship. The Eos is a major armour tanker, i mean, look at its bonuses, and atributes: Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage and 7.5% bonus to Armor Repairer effectiveness per level EM - 60 % Explosive - 10 % Kinetic - 83.75 % Thermal - 67.5 % Other than that yeh it has a sweet bonus on the shields ( 0 % ) for EM but then again, its bonus is in Armour Rep effectiveness so, why waste it on shield tank. Besides you'll prolly need a cap injector for those tight "against vampires" fights situations, plus scram, web and mwd to aproach them targets. Other than that i don't see much room for shield tank.. unless you're talking about missions. Now i'm not a fan of long range combat an rails, except for them fitted in a sniperthron or something of the kind and as for drones, luv them.^^ _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
LeMoose The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.05.31 23:40:00 - [25] astarte why: cooler and more fun need i say more
albert camus Friendship 7 Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.01 00:13:00 - [26] nutrons + faction mag stabs = 1kdps + drones you can hot 1200 dps = win
Spei Prodetor	Posted - 2007.06.01 00:56:00 - [27] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Horza Otho Eos tanks better Wrong Originally by: Horza Otho and has better damage vs tank ratio The astarte can pump out 650 dps with a dual rep, injector, mwd fit, as does the eos. If you're running berzerkers on an eos, you're doing something wrong unless you know for sure you will be against armor tanks (Non amarrian) Actually it is capable of pumping out more then that while dual repping =P I get around 750 with no drones. Fitting is real tight though even with max skills =(
Igen Fabrica	Posted - 2007.06.03 22:00:00 - [28] Hello, Can some one please post a link to a pic of their skills im looking at getting one of these ships (cant say ive which one decided yet) but im not one hundred percent sure what skills are needed to make a GOOD command ship pilot?! thanks. Sry about my English
Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.04 01:08:00 - [29] Originally by: Igen Fabrica Hello, Can some one please post a link to a pic of their skills im looking at getting one of these ships (cant say ive which one decided yet) but im not one hundred percent sure what skills are needed to make a GOOD command ship pilot?! thanks. Sry about my English I'm not sure if my skills say a whole lot, but you should definitely invest into gunnery/missiles and drones. ---
Kujin The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.04 01:25:00 - [30] Edited by: Kujin on 04/06/2007 01:25:25 Astarte for gangs where alpha strikes are more important and anywhere where targets are going to die before your drones get anywhere near. Eos for very high DPS or support where the targets aren't going to drop fast. Small gangs for example. Eos will tank and out damage the Astarte.



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