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Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.31 19:37:00 - [1] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 31/05/2007 19:37:04 Allrighty, i like doing these "wreck your brian" kinda threads, bear(roar) with me So let's assume all the things in the game are fixed(current complaints that is). Would it mean that all was well, or would there still be ocmplaints? Is it possible to have a game that's a 100% complaint free? Or is it just player nature(different from human nature) to complain about things to make it seem like there's still something more to expect? That's about it, flmae...ahem...discuss away! Ah yes, forgot to mention that what would people talk about on general if this were true? Also, would a status quo, all fixed, mean that a game couldn't evolve?
Andargor theWise Collateral Damage Unlimited	Posted - 2007.05.31 19:39:00 - [2] That's a rhetorical question, surely? - Got grief? Revelations MySQL Database
Izo Azlion Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.05.31 19:39:00 - [3] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 31/05/2007 19:37:04 Allrighty, i like doing these "wreck your brian" kinda threads, bear(roar) with me So let's assume all the things in the game are fixed(current complaints that is). Would it mean that all was well, or would there still be ocmplaints? Is it possible to have a game that's a 100% complaint free? Or is it just player nature(different from human nature) to complain about things to make it seem like there's still something more to expect? That's about it, flmae...ahem...discuss away! Ah yes, forgot to mention that what would people talk about on general if this were true? Also, would a status quo, all fixed, mean that a game couldn't evolve? Theres too many to ever keep happy. There will always complaints. Izo Azlion. --- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Hango ([email protected]) Thanks to Stubnitz for the Sig.
TerryTigre Dragonquestor	Posted - 2007.05.31 19:48:00 - [4] Aye its possible. You wont like the solution though. If everybody who has a complaint quits, there will be no complaints after a while. Me for instance i quit after the freigher imbalance. Playing eve for months to afford to buy my first freighter, and then learning that they were destroyed in 38 seconds, isnt balanced in my book. Especially if the Suicide players get full refunds for their ship. I thought about just not using freighters, which was the sensible solution. But thats just saying you let others influence how you play... Go ahead flame all you want, this is my last post here.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.05.31 19:54:00 - [5] Never. And also dont forget that compromises usually leaves both sides unhappy, and leads to mediocre things. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
The Pointless Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd	Posted - 2007.05.31 19:57:00 - [6] Edited by: The Pointless on 31/05/2007 19:57:49 Edited by: The Pointless on 31/05/2007 19:57:11 Originally by: Sheriff Jones Question: Is a complaint free game even possible? Is it f... The world we live in is not perfect and as such, perfection is impossible. EVE itself is very much like a see-saw. You please one group of players, the other's going to get a bit tetchy. Take a look at cloaking and the Local Channel: One group wants to see cloaking nerfed, but local left alone. Another wants cloaking left alone but local nerfed. A third group wants both nerfed, and a fourth group wants them both left alone. Then there's the fifth group that couldn't care less about either. How are you going to please them all? (Actually, as I typed that, I had a thought. You can have a complain-free game, but it would require it being made player-free to succeed) (On another note, if EVE was perfect, wouldn't you find it boring?) ----------------------------------------------- "And I scream in a thousand voices!"
goofus	Posted - 2007.05.31 20:00:00 - [7] no, people have different views on gameplay. which is good, unless your a borg.
Saint Lazarus C R Y O FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 20:09:00 - [8] How could it be possible? If there was only 1 player in EvE it'd be easy but with 100,000's of players the very idea makes no sense :P People ask for different things so how could you give everyone what they wanted. Paradox much? Carebears want it one way, pirates the other and the allaince boys just wanna blow everything up. ------------------------------
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.31 20:24:00 - [9] Yeah i knew the answer basicly to the "is it possible", more i think was curious on what the effects of such a game would be. If all was well, there was nothing to complain about, would it make the game stay still and slowly die down 'cause basicly you couldn't add anything or change anything.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.05.31 20:26:00 - [10] Remember all the Nerf Caldari threads? People will never be completely happy. There will always be something someone complains about. "ZOMG! Nerf Amarr! They have more ships that... that... that are good at salvaging!!" ------------------- Say What?
Yarek Balear Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.05.31 20:27:00 - [11] I find when I'm happy I start arguing with myself - just keeping me happy would be a challenge beyond most
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.05.31 20:28:00 - [12] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Yeah i knew the answer basicly to the "is it possible", more i think was curious on what the effects of such a game would be. If all was well, there was nothing to complain about, would it make the game stay still and slowly die down 'cause basicly you couldn't add anything or change anything. Well, if such a thing were possible I think people would just play the game and the forums would probably be dead. ------------------- Say What?
fullmetalpwn Death's Legion Academy	Posted - 2007.05.31 20:31:00 - [13] If there is more than one person playing, there will be complaints no matter what. ________________________________________________ Originally by: "Alumion" Welcome to EVE, where many wars are started over forum posts.
Topaz Skydiver Minmatar Narrative Freshfood	Posted - 2007.05.31 20:53:00 - [14] The short answer: No. The long answer: Nooooooooo. ok, more constructive: People are too different. If some prefer coffee and others prefer beer, then you won't make everyone one happy by serving coffee mixed with beer. Ok, stupid example, maybe I try again later. --------------------------------------------- snip
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.05.31 20:55:00 - [15] If you play counter strike, and you shoot someone in the head a few too many times, they start whining and calling you a hacker. If you play eve and your alliance is too strong for the newbie kids to deal with, they whine on the forums calling you cheaters. It's funny in CS. It's annoying here. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.31 20:58:00 - [16] I'd have to complain that there wasn't enough to complain about Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
Mei Shin Void Hawks	Posted - 2007.05.31 21:03:00 - [17] To quote a developer when asked about game balancing: "The game can be considered balanced when everyone whines equally about everything."
Valrandir Gallente Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.31 21:06:00 - [18] The game is complaint free, but the players are not. -------------------------------- This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware
Valrandir Gallente Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.31 21:06:00 - [19] There is no fix for stupidityÖ -------------------------------- This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.05.31 21:27:00 - [20] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Question: Is a complaint free game even possible? Only if we replace all players with NPCs... Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Taran Summers The Merovingians	Posted - 2007.05.31 21:43:00 - [21] Only if you take it one step further than CCP. While CCP has no tech support line, their mistake is in allowing in-game petitions for help. Get rid of that, and any helpful or negative forum posts, and your there. It's a complaint free game if no one has a way to complain.
Valiant Brightstar The Merovingians	Posted - 2007.05.31 21:46:00 - [22] click /locked.
Taran Summers The Merovingians	Posted - 2007.05.31 21:47:00 - [23] Originally by: Valiant Brightstar click /locked. ORLY?
Valiant Brightstar The Merovingians	Posted - 2007.05.31 21:47:00 - [24] HAXSPLOIT! Where is hutch when you need him?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 21:49:00 - [25] If people stop complaining, it just means they've stopped caring. --------
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.05.31 22:06:00 - [26] Anything provided as a product or service to humans will never be compliant free... Building the homestead
Wassbix89 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.31 22:09:00 - [27] I'm pretty sure it's impossible for someone else to make a game that satisfies 100% the requirements of an individual. You could make your own game and try to satisfy your needs, but from my own experience I've never really played a game or written a program that I didn't have a list of things I didn't like about it. MMOs are more vulnerable to this since new content must be frequently generated. If CCP managed to entirely clear their list of "things to add to Eve" and completely eliminated lag, they'd have one of two choices: 1) Decide Eve is finished and face complaints of boredom once everyone can fly everything. 2) Add more content and face complaints because "it was good enough before". So I guess I am trying to say in a roundabout way "no".
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.31 23:14:00 - [28] The next online game where the player base isn't given to complaint will be the first. _
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.31 23:15:00 - [29] Yes, it is possible to have a complaint-free game. However, this would require some form of mind control of the players. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Beer is my religion. Guinness is my God.
Trem Sinval Sinval Enterprises	Posted - 2007.05.31 23:34:00 - [30] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 31/05/2007 19:37:04 Allrighty, i like doing these "wreck your brian" kinda threads "Wreck" my "Brian"? You stay the hell away from my brian, you floo! And speelcechk is ur firend. So, no, complaint-free games are impossible, as I must complain about your lack of proper dictionary facilities. Without complaint, people would only talk about new features they thought up, and they'd have to do it without providing proof of concept or a reasonable argument, because all features are based on a fundamental complaint of inaccessibility/ease of use/necessity. - Trem

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