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FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.06.03 10:33:00 - [31] Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 03/06/2007 10:32:37 Originally by: Aaron Zebulun The thing that really got me **ed off was the fact that as soon as i mentioned my age i got flamed by everyone for being a young recless driver Thats what i call ageism (sp?) Yeah ill floor it from time to time, but only on the striaghts, and most of the time im driving to and from work, and ive been doing that road for nearly 7 years now, so i kinda know the road well And as for keeping the mini, nope, its a rusty hell hole that keeps eating my cash, and really isnt suitable for cruising at 70, which is what i need more and more these days Oh and im not a *** chav, id say i was slightly more emo, but then I really dont care what people think of me, I've got no gf, therefore I've got money to spend on the one thing i love, driving Knowing the road well != knowing what to do when 'Sitution X' arises. I guess in your example, if something ran out of a hedge whilst you were 'flooring it', what would you do? The instinct is to swerve, but that's not always the best... I don't want my posts to turn into another flame fest tbh. And yeah, I think people are flaming you because they've all seen the results of young drivers in powerful cars. In your defence, the vast majority of my friends who leant to drive at 17, purchased semi-powerful cars and were fine. Just there are a few bad apples who upset it for all. It's an emotive subject, and unfortunately a lot of us older types are of the opinion that new drivers shouldn't be able to drive a car over a certain engine size. Note that I didn't say young there. And to reiterare your point, a lot of the time it is other drivers not driving correctly (though I put it more eloquently than "women drivers and old people"). Though you just need to 'rise above' it and be the better driver. Overtaking them at the earliest opportunity isn't always best, sometimes just calling them a ** in the privacy of your own vehicle suffices. Don't even get me started on you saving the cash for a decent education... And yeah, the mini is gonna be . , but **. If you take Verone's comments about what to look out for in an old Impreza, and don't drive like the ass we all assume you to be, you'll be fine. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Aaron Zebulun	Posted - 2007.06.03 10:54:00 - [32] Ooooo a constructive comment, thats what i like to see Yeah my language becomes pretty apalling when people cut me off etc And atleast young drivers havent got any bad habits that they are set in their ways with And noone has yet to argue my point that maybe the higher mortality rate in young drivers has something to do with the fact that they all drive crappy old small cars because thats all they can afford/get insurance on? I mean you cant really be THAT narrow minded and think age is the only determining factor right?
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.06.03 11:20:00 - [33] Originally by: Aaron Zebulun Ooooo a constructive comment, thats what i like to see Yeah my language becomes pretty apalling when people cut me off etc And atleast young drivers havent got any bad habits that they are set in their ways with And noone has yet to argue my point that maybe the higher mortality rate in young drivers has something to do with the fact that they all drive crappy old small cars because thats all they can afford/get insurance on? I mean you cant really be THAT narrow minded and think age is the only determining factor right? It's not, but discounting age / experience is suicidal. Stateside, and I used to drive a T-bird that had way, way, waaay too much engine for the car. I'd do stupid stuff like open it wide on the interstate, drive it much faster than conditions dictated, drive aggressively with short line-of-sight, etc. Looking back now with another 10 years of experience under my belt, I can only wonder how I walked away from some of it alive. I was young and dumb, and driving dumb. I've known a couple of people who offed themselves in spectacular fashion, and quite a few others who've done serious damage. I had a good friend of mine ***** up so bad that he wound up having to go to physical therapy to relearn how to walk and write. I'd pass on that if I were you, mate. Don't take the age stuff too seriously. Just don't think that we've not seen 1001 more kids like you who've said the exact same things, and seen quite a few of them on gurneys or in coffins. Oh, and if you've not caught on yet, the earlier poster you were arguing with is more than likely in law enforcement. He has some idea of what he's talking about.
Aaron Zebulun	Posted - 2007.06.03 11:30:00 - [34] Right well can we atleast try and get back onto topic plz? id like to know if anyone else has any experience with tuning up engines etc?
SubTig	Posted - 2007.06.03 14:22:00 - [35] No one is supporting your point because it's totally wrong. 1. not all young drivers drive small crappy cars. 2 insurence stats show that young drivers cause the accidents. Your talking about driving a car designed to go fast and you want to increase that even further. it's senseless in it's self. Listen to what people ate saying, there is alot of knowledge and experience on this thread, take some heed of it. Originally by: Aaron Zebulun And noone has yet to argue my point that maybe the higher mortality rate in young drivers has something to do with the fact that they all drive crappy old small cars because thats all they can afford/get insurance on? I mean you cant really be THAT narrow minded and think age is the only determining factor right?
Aaron Zebulun	Posted - 2007.06.03 14:33:00 - [36] Originally by: SubTig No one is supporting your point because it's totally wrong. 1. not all young drivers drive small crappy cars. 2 insurence stats show that young drivers cause the accidents. Your talking about driving a car designed to go fast and you want to increase that even further. it's senseless in it's self. Listen to what people ate saying, there is alot of knowledge and experience on this thread, take some heed of it. Originally by: Aaron Zebulun And noone has yet to argue my point that maybe the higher mortality rate in young drivers has something to do with the fact that they all drive crappy old small cars because thats all they can afford/get insurance on? I mean you cant really be THAT narrow minded and think age is the only determining factor right? Did i say that them driving small cars was the only factor? nope. Why dont you try getting your head out of your ass long enough to try coming up with a better argument then "im older and work with dead teenagers, i know best" Flaming any comment i make that regards to things that also affect mortality rates is just childish. Age isnt the only thing that affects it so get over it. And ofcourse insurance companys arnt gona try and screw over people at any chance they get now are they

lordharold Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.06.03 14:52:00 - [37] Stop derailing this thread please, keep it on topic and keep it civil, or it will be locked. -Lord Harold forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website

Lardarz B'stard Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.03 15:50:00 - [38] Edited by: Lardarz B''stard on 03/06/2007 15:54:43 My impreza (2000) is the most reliable car I have ever had. I've had a Golf GTi and a BMW 323is and they sucked by comparison. Had the brakes and the clutch done after 60k miles and thats it. However, when u do need something fixed it can be very expensive. If you're buying one, watch out for excessive whining on the turbo, noisy wastegate, and rust around the wheel arches. Standard brakes aren't up to much and can fade quite a lot. If you're intending to do track days in it you'll need better brakes- I went with a set of Tarox brake upgrades and a triple plate clutch. Apart from that its factory standard. Servicing cost is about ú100 for a normal one, ú250 for the bigger one. Mine's the standard WRX so the fuel economy is better than the STi. In terms of speed, I don't think there's much in the price range that will beat it, Evo 7 excluded. It'll do 0-60 in 5.4 seconds and I've had it to 145mph on a track. Recommend them to anyone. Plus, you can fit your shopping in the back. You can't say that about an S2000 or an Exige. Handling is sensationally good.
Won Swunglow Caldari Dead By Dawn	Posted - 2007.06.03 16:19:00 - [39] God damn why did i go for a job with a Vauxhall Corsa as a company car --
Ray McCormack BIG	Posted - 2007.06.03 16:33:00 - [40] Originally by: Aaron Zebulun And ofcourse insurance companys arnt gona try and screw over people at any chance they get now are they In the general aspect of things, UK motor insurers have run at a loss for the last few years as a result of increased competition. A loss that reaches into the hundred's of millions. It's the other products they offer (as well as their attachment to larger banking institutions) that have kept them afloat. The three major attributes for determining an insurance premium are Age, Location and Profession. They affect the base premium rate (which varies slightly between companies) on a different scale set by the individual underwriter. Many companies are underwritten by the same people (RBS underwrites Tesco, Direct Line, Churchill and Privilege) but you can still come away with differing quotes even when giving the exact same details. Various company-specific discounts and promotions may contribute to this, but the most probable reason is the inefficiency of the software utilised. Most major companies still employ a system developed in the 1980s when direct insurers first started emerging. Various hacked system integrations have left it in a sorry state, rendering it almost unusable by customer service advisors educated to a modern standard. \| All Current Tech II BPO Auctions \| BMBE ISK Loans \|
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.04 01:28:00 - [41] Bleh, car threads depress me. Just today I had to take my 16 year old Peugeot 309 a couple of hours up the motorway, and it was screaming like a banshee the whole way. I'm waiting to see which bit that noise means will fall off............... --------
Logi3 Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.06 08:47:00 - [42] Edited by: Logi3 on 06/06/2007 08:52:38 When im driving around and i pass a tree with flowers around, which is where someone passed away driving like a fool. I think of people with attitudes like Aaron Zebulun. I belive this is a ASW thread A) Insurance - Most companies will not even quote for people under 25. You put in the age, and it will auto flag no. B) Running costs, hope you have a good job C) Having connections. The only thing your connections are doing is proberly putting your age in as 30. If you are telling the truth then, i pray you dont have an accident as when you do theres going to be alot of questions being asked to why an 18 year old is driving a scooby Personaly i stay away from the early scoobys, 95% will be battered and strained. Why not go for something like a Starlet Turbo? 1.3 Turbo rocket. Wait a few years and buy a newer Imprezza
Ryan Scouse'UK	Posted - 2007.06.06 09:19:00 - [43] Originally by: Patch86 Bleh, car threads depress me. Just today I had to take my 16 year old Peugeot 309 a couple of hours up the motorway, and it was screaming like a banshee the whole way. I'm waiting to see which bit that noise means will fall off............... made me LOL
ry ry StateCorp	Posted - 2007.06.06 12:13:00 - [44] Edited by: ry ry on 06/06/2007 12:16:14 Originally by: Verone First of all I think you guys both need to cool off. Aaron, he has a point although he didn't exactly phrase it in the safest of manners. I've already pointed out that if you feel that an Impreza will go around corners in any way resembling a mini, then you need to step back and get used to the car before you do start to drive it. As well as that, I think you'd be better off going to a track day or a drifting day rather than behaving how you've described on public roads. What you need to understand isn't that you might hurt yourself, or wreck your car, but that you might hit someone else, carrying a kids, or a whole family. A lot of accidents are caused because people drive too fast for conditions, it has nothing to do with how good of a driver they are or how good of a driver they think they are, it's simple misjudgement of weather and road surface conditions due to inexperience of driving in varied conditions. I won't preach, we all make mistakes and learn by them mate, I'm only just turning 23 myself, I drive an R-33 GTR (and wish I could afford a 34) now and had my first few years with the same attitude as yourself. All I will say is be careful on public roads, if not for your own safety then for the safety of people you might run into. If you're interested in driving like a lunatic, Evemail me and i can sort you out with a few phone numbers for Santa Pod, Croft, Donnington and a few Drift UK meetings so that you can have some fun in relative safety. Trust me mate, the state of England's roads? It's the last place you want to be going sideways in an Impreza. 1. i tried to insure a skyline when i was 22 and they just laughed at me :( 2. i thought you were much older than that, for some reason. sorry. edit: he's right by the way OP. save up and get a nice sensible STI 22b.
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.06.06 15:45:00 - [45] Just buy something like my ride: American Muscle Sure, it won't corner as well, eventhough I did modify the front suspension... It has no seat belts either... You know what, nevermind, lol... Just get something safe man... Building the homestead
xxShadexx Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.06 15:48:00 - [46] Originally by: DarkMatter Just buy something like my ride: American Muscle Sure, it won't corner as well, eventhough I did modify the front suspension... It has no seat belts either... You know what, nevermind, lol... Just get something safe man... You've done an excellent job on that, got any recent pictures? ----------------------------------------- I wish I could change my name...
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.06.06 15:51:00 - [47] Originally by: xxShadexx Originally by: DarkMatter Just buy something like my ride: American Muscle Sure, it won't corner as well, eventhough I did modify the front suspension... It has no seat belts either... You know what, nevermind, lol... Just get something safe man... You've done an excellent job on that, got any recent pictures? It's still unfinished unfortunately... If you click on my sig you can see why, LOL! I didn't get that project done b4 I started another biggie Some day... Building the homestead
Lardarz B'stard Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:09:00 - [48] Edited by: Lardarz B''stard on 06/06/2007 18:15:44 Just realised the OP is 18 years old. You're talking ú5000 insurance at least, if anyone will touch you at all. I'm 32 and and mine is over a grand with full no claims bonus. If I was you I would wait till I was over 25 to get a scooby. Plus, getting one over 10 years old is pushing it a bit. Wait till you have ú10k+ to spend on a car then get one.
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:59:00 - [49] Edited by: Verone on 06/06/2007 18:58:27 Originally by: ry ry 1. i tried to insure a skyline when i was 22 and they just laughed at me :( 2. i thought you were much older than that, for some reason. sorry. edit: he's right by the way OP. save up and get a nice sensible STI 22b. 1. I pay through the nose for it, but the insurance and running it is the only finanical commitment I have, the car is bought and paid for and I live at home with my folks. Being a japanese car enthusiast it's something I'm more than willing to shell out for 2. I had a hard paper round. It's not grey, it's platinum blonde And on your last comment, if I was going for an Impreza, I'd be scouring the web, and autotrader for a genuine P1 >>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
Aaron Zebulun	Posted - 2007.06.06 20:55:00 - [50] Well minus my Mini's repairs and the RAV4 repairs i've still got about 5k pounds (approx $10,000) to spend on a shiney car Now ive narrowed it down to a few choices which are : Supra, RX7, Impreza, EVO, maybe an MR2 if i feel like driving sumit ****e Now anyone got any opinions? personally id take the RX7, but they eat oil, and i dunno how often they break down. Also, they are kinda more expensive, as is the EVO. Impreza looks like best bang for my buck, but supra has some crazy tuning potential down the road (ive seen 1000bhp from these.....) So flame away, or comment
xxShadexx Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:22:00 - [51] Fiat Punto or a Micra!!!!! ----------------------------------------- I wish I could change my name...
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.06 23:24:00 - [52] RX-7 is very high maitenance if you intend to drive it hard. Having a rotary motor means that every so often it needs a motor strip to replace the apex seals on the rotors, it can be as long as 80,000 miles or as little as 25-30,000 if you drive it hard. Labour costs for it are extortion, and genreally it lowers the resale value quite a bit if it's not done by an approved Mazda dealer. >>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
Aaron Zebulun	Posted - 2007.06.06 23:37:00 - [53] Cheers for the heads up, i knew that the engine would eat itself every so often just because its a rotary lol. Well there goes that idea then Next, ive seen i can pick up an MR2 for relativly cheap, anyone got any opinions on em? i can get what looks like a decent one for about 2k, and that leaves me alot of tinkering money But my main question is, will it keep up with say an impreza?
Lardarz B'stard Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.07 05:48:00 - [54] Originally by: Aaron Zebulun Next, ive seen i can pick up an MR2 for relativly cheap, anyone got any opinions on em? i can get what looks like a decent one for about 2k, and that leaves me alot of tinkering money But my main question is, will it keep up with say an impreza? In short - no, it won't. For a similar price you could see what you think of Integra Type-R's. They handle well and are a good bit quicker than a MR2. I considered buying one when I got my Scooby.
ry ry StateCorp	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:29:00 - [55] OP: for car type advice, have a peek at pistonheads.com if you've not already. its a large motoring forum, where i reckon you'll find a fair few people who've ran scoobies when they were young (although possibly not at 18, you silly ******) and will be able to get some more practical advice.

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