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Hatsim Black Lance	Posted - 2007.06.05 20:57:00 - [1] Getting a new comp and since i got a signed edition of Vista ultimate, i was wondering if EVE support it ? last time i installed it 4days pre releaase and i could not install EVE due to no DirectX 9c ****tty thing since it use 10. So now im getting my new computer and need some feedback if or why i should use Vista over XP with this comp. AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+ 2.5GHz, Corsair Value S. 2048MB PC-5300 DDR2 667MHz CL 5 (2x)(4GB) Gigabyte - Socket AM2 - ATX nForce570 SLI (GA-M57SLI-S4) - DDR2 SATA II Gigabyte GeForce 8600GT SILENT2 256MB (GV-NX86T256D) - PCI-E (2xSLI) 160gb samsung HD blabla and ofc 64bit Vista ultimate pros and cons ??? feedback please "imagine a dozen hornets pouring from the devil's mouth, Now imagine they have autocannons." /Hatsim
Plave Okice Gallente Combat Systems	Posted - 2007.06.05 20:59:00 - [2] Vista 64 and Eve together hasn't given me any problems at all
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.06.05 21:04:00 - [3] This discussion's been done to death and probably belongs in out of pod. I can't think of any reason why you would want to run vista, or any advantages to having vista, other than support for future games which might require it. Cons being that it eats ram for no reason. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.06.05 21:04:00 - [4] Originally by: Hatsim So now im getting my new computer and need some feedback if or why i should use Vista over XP with this comp. You shouldn't. Vista is broken, buggy, and with poor driver support. Wait about a year and stick with Windows XP or wait until CCP releases the Windows Vista EVE Client. erm...GOONSWARM IS EBIL.
Hatsim Black Lance	Posted - 2007.06.05 21:06:00 - [5] Originally by: Frug This discussion's been done to death and probably belongs in out of pod. I can't think of any reason why you would want to run vista, or any advantages to having vista, other than support for future games which might require it. Cons being that it eats ram for no reason. well with 4gb of ram it should not be a prob or ? since i only play on the computer i dont care will it preform good or bad or semi good ??? i need fps over 150 im at 20 now... "imagine a dozen hornets pouring from the devil's mouth, Now imagine they have autocannons." /Hatsim
Nero Scuro Jejaikaro Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.05 21:09:00 - [6] Unfortunately I was upgrading my PC and had to reinstall Windows, so I thought 'hey, I have to install windows again, why don't I just download a copy of that Vista-dohicky that Microsoft says is excellent and the best OS evar and try that out?' like a big noob. It sucks balls but it runs EVE fine. The only problem I had was forgetting to set the PC's internal clock back to 2007 after the first Vista ***** didn't work and I tried another (successfully), which EVE didn't like. I guess it realised it wasn't actually 2099 and was like, wtf dude? --------- EVE is like a box of chocolates. omg nerf chocolates D:
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.06.05 21:10:00 - [7] Originally by: Hatsim Originally by: Frug This discussion's been done to death and probably belongs in out of pod. I can't think of any reason why you would want to run vista, or any advantages to having vista, other than support for future games which might require it. Cons being that it eats ram for no reason. well with 4gb of ram it should not be a prob or ? since i only play on the computer i dont care will it preform good or bad or semi good ??? i need fps over 150 im at 20 now... 1. Technically you can't actually SEE FPS over 30. 2. Buy yourself said computer and put windows XP on it. It'll run just as well and not potentially break your hardware. erm...GOONSWARM IS EBIL.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 21:13:00 - [8] I've heard both "EVE runs awful on Vista, I'm dual booting XP just for this game!" and "EVE runs twice as smooth in vista as it did in XP!". Meaning that theres some variable that we haven't discovered yet that effects whether it runs good or bad. And seeing as it's undiscovered, we can't really tell you if it'll work well on your new rig In all honesty, it'll probably work fine, but theres a moderate chance that it wont. If you want a sure bet, stick with XP until Vista has been brought up to speed (new OS's are rarely worth the hassle at release). Vista might work excellently, but it's a gamble. --------
Larg Kellein Caldari GTE Corp Artificial Intelligence.	Posted - 2007.06.05 21:13:00 - [9] No problems with Vista and eve here. 32 bit vista, and I keep a dualboot configuration with xp on its own drive for those stubborn older games, but eve hasn't griefed my vista. Originally by: Roy Batty68 My software has wronged me!!! And it's immediately "sorry". Well, ok then. I suppose I'm not so upset at my software if it appologizes.
Sereniaz	Posted - 2007.06.05 21:16:00 - [10] Running Vista Ultimate 32bit......I have no problems at all running Eve :) Don't listen to the sceptics!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.05 21:19:00 - [11] Originally by: Thanos Draicon Originally by: Hatsim Originally by: Frug This discussion's been done to death and probably belongs in out of pod. I can't think of any reason why you would want to run vista, or any advantages to having vista, other than support for future games which might require it. Cons being that it eats ram for no reason. well with 4gb of ram it should not be a prob or ? since i only play on the computer i dont care will it preform good or bad or semi good ??? i need fps over 150 im at 20 now... 1. Technically you can't actually SEE FPS over 30. 2. Buy yourself said computer and put windows XP on it. It'll run just as well and not potentially break your hardware. You can definitely see FPS over 30. 60-80 is the limit for most people. I agree on the Windows XP part though. Vista doesn't offer even one feature that makes it superior to XP, IMO. --23 Member--
PirateShampoo Minmatar UK Corp FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 21:20:00 - [12] Vista Ultimate x64 Quad Processor, 4gb ram. Vista runs multiple eve clients far better than XP did (presuming a lot of multi core optimizations in Vista that are not in XP).
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.05 21:21:00 - [13] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/06/2007 21:22:18 Originally by: PirateShampoo Vista Ultimate x64 Quad Processor, 4gb ram. Vista runs multiple eve clients far better than XP did (presuming a lot of multi core optimizations in Vista that are not in XP). I'm guessing its because of two reasons: 1. 64-bit operating systems can address more memory--32-bit OSs are limited to about 2.8GB of memory (at least with Windows). 2. Vista's graphics overlay system might be sharing graphics load somewhat better than XP. This might improve multiclient performance if its GPU-limited. It may also be because Vista sets the disk cache to max out at total memory size, using "SuperCache". XP has the same, but its not on by default, so unless you set that on XP you'll notice a definite difference when moving to Vista. --23 Member--
framolia Bleak Cabal	Posted - 2007.06.05 21:22:00 - [14] Originally by: Dark Shikari Vista doesn't offer even one feature that makes it superior to XP, IMO. Well there is Chess built in into games on Vista! so thats one thing better for sure!
PirateShampoo Minmatar UK Corp FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 21:23:00 - [15] I was refering to x64 xp, so its not the addressable memory thing, I always was able to address all 4gb, you could be right on superfetch tho, it's the same data for each eve client.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 21:23:00 - [16] Originally by: framolia Originally by: Dark Shikari Vista doesn't offer even one feature that makes it superior to XP, IMO. Well there is Chess built in into games on Vista! so thats one thing better for sure! THEY SHOULD WRITE THAT ON THE BOX --------
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.05 21:25:00 - [17] Originally by: PirateShampoo I was refering to x64 xp, so its not the addressable memory thing, I always was able to address all 4gb, you could be right on superfetch tho, it's the same data for each eve client. Yup, if you have enough memory, Windows can load all of EVE into the disk cache in memory. To set the setting in XP, go to My Computer/Properties/Advanced/Performance Settings/Advanced/Memory Usage and choose "System Cache". --23 Member--
Alrione Amarr Vampyre Industial Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.05 21:30:00 - [18] Edited by: Alrione on 05/06/2007 21:29:50 EVE works perfXPectly on vista. And so does everything else. All people whining about performance, turn off crappy aero bs and get latest drivers and woot it works even better than xp. In my case its due to a dualcore CPU, it seems to me that XP doesnt utilise them too well. Oh and there is second superior thing in vista as compared to xp. Apart from chess, its network performance is greatly improoved --------------------------------
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.05 21:32:00 - [19] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/06/2007 21:31:34 Originally by: Alrione Oh and there is second superior thing in vista as compared to xp. Apart from chess, its network performance is greatly improoved I tried a friend's Vista machine and the only improvement I saw was that it didn't hang up the whole window when searching for network computers, it just had a little loading bar. It still took well over a minute to find my computer on the network, just as long as the XP box. An improvement sure, but not really that considerable. It would be nice if Windows machines actually reliably found other machines on a local network in less than 30 seconds. --23 Member--
PirateShampoo Minmatar UK Corp FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 21:36:00 - [20] Vista found my entire network in seconds (love the map), but again poor driver support can create alot of issues that are not Vista's fault. If you unsure the wait and see is a good approach. Personaly I had problems until I got an updated driver for my NIC then everything was a sweet as a nut.
Rainhailer Gallente Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.06.05 22:36:00 - [21] Vista Ultimate 64bit runs amazing. I don't know wtf people are talkign about saying it runs bad. I've run EVE on it since December, and I've had no problems whatsoever. Your computer will handle it no problem.
MissileRus	Posted - 2007.06.05 22:50:00 - [22] Edited by: MissileRus on 05/06/2007 22:51:31 yes the network stuff is nice! also the problem report and monitor stuff is very handy. eve runs quite stable on vista from my experience, had no problems with any drivers but im using 32bit since well, 64bit aint "there" yet... grafix drivers are quite nice now too, not mutch difference from xp anymore and keep getting better. i would invest in a 8800 GTS, i run every game basicly max (dont use AA but 16xani) with a 8800 gts on the Asus 22" widescreen and lovin it! 2x lower end cards might give better performance in the short term, but i would still get a single 8800 series or the amd/ati one, simply because of 3 reasons: 1. you will be able to use your old card as physics card later using a 3rd PCIe slot, can be quite handy and the 8800 GTS even 320 would be nice for this since it has alot of power(stream processors) for the calculations and it wont need 640Mb ram for it if this will ever happen remains to be seen though... 2. dont 2x8600GT's cost more then a single 8800 GTS 320? you wont realy need mutch more then a 8800 GTS atm imo, and when DX10 games are "hot" i think a single 8800 GTS will be better performing then SLI with 6800GT's since it has more stream processors witch will be "the thing" for DX10 games. 3. if thats not enough power after awhile, get another 8800 GTs when you realy need it well thats my view on it anyway.. 64bit vista, well eventualy 64bit will be popular, especially since vista likes 4Gb+ ram only drivers/support issues but hey, theres already 4Gb kits all over so i dont think driver and support issues for programs and stuff will be "worse" then 32bit for that mutch longer. realy dont know though.. 64bit is crawling closer and closer, atleast now theres begining to pop up stuff not only for servers to go 64bit.. id realy want to switch to open source if i could game as good on it though.. MS hater ah well.. and yes 30 FPS is considered "stutter free" but 60+ FPS is a big difference alot smoother and "crispier" imo. i use to mutch smileys and write to mutch lately.. dunno why... Patch86: i think it could be because of vistas "supercache" stuff or whatever its called lol, not the memory stick one the other one vista cache stuff in memory all the time, atm i have 32mb free ram! rest is completely cached to speed up stuff, maybe it helps eve alot if you play it regurlarly(gawd word).. --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
MissileRus	Posted - 2007.06.05 22:50:00 - [23] Edited by: MissileRus on 05/06/2007 22:51:31 yes the network stuff is nice! also the problem report and monitor stuff is very handy. eve runs quite stable on vista from my experience, had no problems with any drivers but im using 32bit since well, 64bit aint "there" yet... grafix drivers are quite nice now too, not mutch difference from xp anymore and keep getting better. i would invest in a 8800 GTS, i run every game basicly max (dont use AA but 16xani) with a 8800 gts on the Asus 22" widescreen and lovin it! 2x lower end cards might give better performance in the short term, but i would still get a single 8800 series or the amd/ati one, simply because of 3 reasons: 1. you will be able to use your old card as physics card later using a 3rd PCIe slot, can be quite handy and the 8800 GTS even 320 would be nice for this since it has alot of power(stream processors) for the calculations and it wont need 640Mb ram for it if this will ever happen remains to be seen though... 2. dont 2x8600GT's cost more then a single 8800 GTS 320? you wont realy need mutch more then a 8800 GTS atm imo, and when DX10 games are "hot" i think a single 8800 GTS will be better performing then SLI with 6800GT's since it has more stream processors witch will be "the thing" for DX10 games. 3. if thats not enough power after awhile, get another 8800 GTs when you realy need it well thats my view on it anyway.. 64bit vista, well eventualy 64bit will be popular, especially since vista likes 4Gb+ ram only drivers/support issues but hey, theres already 4Gb kits all over so i dont think driver and support issues for programs and stuff will be "worse" then 32bit for that mutch longer. realy dont know though.. 64bit is crawling closer and closer, atleast now theres begining to pop up stuff not only for servers to go 64bit.. id realy want to switch to open source if i could game as good on it though.. MS hater ah well.. and yes 30 FPS is considered "stutter free" but 60+ FPS is a big difference alot smoother and "crispier" imo. i use to mutch smileys and write to mutch lately.. dunno why... Patch86: i think it could be because of vistas "supercache" stuff or whatever its called lol, not the memory stick one the other one vista cache stuff in memory all the time, atm i have 32mb free ram! rest is completely cached to speed up stuff, maybe it helps eve alot if you play it regurlarly(gawd word).. --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
JoDirt Minmatar House of Geezer	Posted - 2007.06.05 22:54:00 - [24] Originally by: Frug This discussion's been done to death and probably belongs in out of pod. I can't think of any reason why you would want to run vista, or any advantages to having vista, other than support for future games which might require it. Cons being that it eats ram for no reason. Random Memory Addressing Random SID assignment More detailed process control UI to name a few. and the usual dx10 blah blah.. oh and pretty :p anyhow, Eve runs fine on my Lenovo Laptop running Vista 32 Business.
JoDirt Minmatar House of Geezer	Posted - 2007.06.05 22:54:00 - [25] Originally by: Frug This discussion's been done to death and probably belongs in out of pod. I can't think of any reason why you would want to run vista, or any advantages to having vista, other than support for future games which might require it. Cons being that it eats ram for no reason. Random Memory Addressing Random SID assignment More detailed process control UI to name a few. and the usual dx10 blah blah.. oh and pretty :p anyhow, Eve runs fine on my Lenovo Laptop running Vista 32 Business.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.05 23:06:00 - [26] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/06/2007 23:04:45 Originally by: JoDirt Originally by: Frug This discussion's been done to death and probably belongs in out of pod. I can't think of any reason why you would want to run vista, or any advantages to having vista, other than support for future games which might require it. Cons being that it eats ram for no reason. Random Memory Addressing Random SID assignment More detailed process control UI to name a few. and the usual dx10 blah blah.. oh and pretty :p anyhow, Eve runs fine on my Lenovo Laptop running Vista 32 Business. I don't understand how the top two are improvements. The process control UI is still far, far inferior to Process Explorer (Microsoft's own process manager they've released!), so that isn't an improvement either <plug>Process Explorer</plug> --23 Member--
First Stotherd Caldari MisFunk Inc. Frontline.	Posted - 2007.06.05 23:09:00 - [27] Installed vista ultimate 32 bit today, works great. Everything I have works. I've tried 64bit business, very few devices i had worked on 64 bit. My 5.1 sound was messed up, my logitch g15 and g5 mouse had no drivers, and virtually none of my peripherals worked. But Eve worked. Just had to put something in the prefs file. Can't reemember what it was though. That was on a AMD 64 3000+ 2Gb Ram and GeForce 6600GT. You'll beable to play eve, just no idea if any other devices will work.
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.06.05 23:13:00 - [28] on my new core duo comp with 8800gtx vid card, i have both xp and vista installed. My FPS is 5-10% higher in Vista, in every game ive tried so far (admittedly, not many, but includes EVE and halflife2, as well as 3DMark). Your experience in Vista will depend alot on the state of drivers for your hardware. I know people who had quirky sound problems prior to a driver update (sound goes away until its reset via a trick, or reboot) and other problems with eve in a window involving the new vista gui (which i do not have) But yea, there is no reason to rush to it. If you already have it, or can get it cheap (36 bucks for me) and you have a new comp, there is no reason to not give it a try. Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
Fanjita	Posted - 2007.06.05 23:26:00 - [29] Originally by: Hatsim Getting a new comp and since i got a signed edition of Vista ultimate, i was wondering if EVE support it ? last time i installed it 4days pre releaase and i could not install EVE due to no DirectX 9c ****tty thing since it use 10. So now im getting my new computer and need some feedback if or why i should use Vista over XP with this comp. AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+ 2.5GHz, Corsair Value S. 2048MB PC-5300 DDR2 667MHz CL 5 (2x)(4GB) Gigabyte - Socket AM2 - ATX nForce570 SLI (GA-M57SLI-S4) - DDR2 SATA II Gigabyte GeForce 8600GT SILENT2 256MB (GV-NX86T256D) - PCI-E (2xSLI) 160gb samsung HD blabla and ofc 64bit Vista ultimate pros and cons ??? feedback please eve runs absolutely fine on vista drivers are fine and tbh its a damn sight better than xp. btw who signed your copy of vista bill gates?
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2007.06.05 23:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Hatsim Getting a new comp and since i got a signed edition of Vista ultimate, i was wondering if EVE support it ? last time i installed it 4days pre releaase and i could not install EVE due to no DirectX 9c ****tty thing since it use 10. So now im getting my new computer and need some feedback if or why i should use Vista over XP with this comp. AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+ 2.5GHz, Corsair Value S. 2048MB PC-5300 DDR2 667MHz CL 5 (2x)(4GB) Gigabyte - Socket AM2 - ATX nForce570 SLI (GA-M57SLI-S4) - DDR2 SATA II Gigabyte GeForce 8600GT SILENT2 256MB (GV-NX86T256D) - PCI-E (2xSLI) 160gb samsung HD blabla and ofc 64bit Vista ultimate pros and cons ??? feedback please I love vista, I would change that setup to: E4300 Core 2 Duo, Good ocing mobo, 8800GTS 320 or 640mb (depending on budget). --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home

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