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Princess Trinity
Astro Tech N Trade
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Posted - 2007.06.07 02:12:00 -
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I was just wondering if there was any IPO that relies on invention for part of its profit.
Mainly because I have over 19,800 Amarrian Starship Datacores and trying to figure out how to sell them in bulk.
A problem im having is everyone looks at the FORGE region market and says that they are selling for 70-80k each
There is less than 2500 Cores in ALL of the Forge selling for under 275k
Ive been trying to sell them @ 170 k each but everyone keeps saying omgz they are crashing I wont buy any until they hit 25k each :P
Someone yesterday offered me 80k each for 10,000, and I refused. I wont let scared people and HYPE make me sell for stupid prices.
It seems to me that people seeing a thousand datacores on the market stupidly cheap see all of the cores as dropping in price.
Anyways im just asking for advice on how to get rid of them.
I would like to keep them for when the price Skyrockets because everyone cashed in there RP and eventually the incoming supply will be scarce.
Ive tried advertising and sell forums and have only been able to sell about 1500 so far, leaving me with over 19,800
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.06.07 03:17:00 -
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They will drop, just a matter of time. I would be offloading asap in your case.
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Selko Embries
QUANT Corp. Southern Connection
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Posted - 2007.06.07 03:58:00 -
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I know a lot of folks just hoping to get one last score and pull one of the remaining ship BPO's. With this in mind I doubt datacore prices are done going down.
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Dantae Montoya
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.06.07 04:08:00 -
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This is unfortunately what some were saying was going to happen once no more bpo's were available, a core crash. Not everyone has cashed in their R&D points, your not the only one that has 20k + of these cores. I wouldnt be suprised to see them being sold for 30k within a week.
Selling them in bulk I guess you could find an alliance that is looking to do invention. or hold on to them hoping the price goes back up once people stop doing R&D because of no lottery.
I know it sucks seeing what 2 weeks ago would fetch probably 5 billion now have dropped by 90%.
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Amicus Pauperi
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Posted - 2007.06.07 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dantae Montoya
I know it sucks seeing what 2 weeks ago would fetch probably 5 billion now have dropped by 90%.
Therein lies the risk of holding out for a T2 BPO, or cashing out. You, Princess Trinity, gambled. And you lost.
Originally by: Princess Trinity Someone yesterday offered me 80k each for 10,000, and I refused. I wont let scared people and HYPE make me sell for stupid prices..
Now you're trying to have you cake and eat it too by offloading the cores at a price set weeks ago? If I were you I would've taken that 80k ISK offer and ran with it. Now, you'll be lucky to move that volume for 50k ISK. Don't believe me? Do some research and you will.
Originally by: Princess Trinity There is less than 2500 Cores in ALL of the Forge selling for under 275k
What you say is true. However, is the information useful? If you believe it is, then there's quite a few nasty things you can do to the market to improve your situation. I for one think your fact is utter rubbish.
Too impatient to recoup your losses on the Astarte/Eagle Experiment, too patient to get out before the market crashes...
Perhaps the best way for you to turn this lemon into lemonade is by going into invention yourself. With that many cores, you could run 9,900 interceptor jobs...
Economic PvP - Cornering Jita 4-4 |
Heikki
Gallente Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.07 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Trinity offered me 80k .. make me sell for stupid prices
Now is that a stupid price?
90 days GTC sells for around 350M atm. After brief grinding for lv3 agents, you can sustain production of 3 chars * 5 agents * (5*60) rp/day / 50rp/datacore * 90 days = 8100+ cores. That is, anyone can afford to sell each core for less than 45k, while still keeping skilling up a char for sale.
So you're mostly left to speculate about GTC prices, GTC system changes, and whether there is some post-crash period before such R&D production is up.
-Lasse who gave up the chase for final BPO
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Ulrich Sternaxe
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Posted - 2007.06.07 08:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ulrich Sternaxe on 07/06/2007 08:29:35
Originally by: Amicus Pauperi
Perhaps the best way for you to turn this lemon into lemonade is by going into invention yourself. With that many cores, you could run 9,900 interceptor jobs...
I can't see how this changes anything. Your datacores won't magically increase in value just because you're using them yourself. Why am I actually responding to this again , some people just don't understand this concept, I should just let it rest, I'm not the only one who mentions this all the time on the forums.
I suggest you take whatever you can get for them, like the other guy said, they could go down as low as 45K ISK (a little more probably because GTC's are on the rise). I often make the same mistake in real life, I refuse to take the loss because I'm hoping for a turn around, but it's a wrong way of thinking, you should be thinking:
"Would I invest in datacores right now (if you didn't have any) and will I be able to make a profit on current prices in some amount of time?" If the answer is yes, buy more. If no, sell, if unsure, hold, easy as that. Just turn of your emotions and look at the facts. Only after you have maid your decision it's time to feel sorry for your loss
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Drused
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Heikki
90 days GTC sells for around 350M atm. After brief grinding for lv3 agents, you can sustain production of 3 chars * 5 agents * (5*60) rp/day / 50rp/datacore * 90 days = 8100+ cores. That is, anyone can afford to sell each core for less than 45k, while still keeping skilling up a char for sale.
I'm not sure your numbers are correct. Particularly, (5*60) rp/day. That seems you are using the 5 agents portion twice.
3 Characters, Each with 5 agents. Each agent produces 50 RP/day. 50 RP/datacore(For non-ship). 90 days.
So, 3 characters * 5 agents = 15 agents. 15 Agents * 60 RP/Day = 900 RP / Day 900 RP / Day * 1 Datacore/50 RP = 18 Datacore / Day 18 Datacore/Day * 90 Day = 1,620 Datacores
To get a 90 day GTC for 350M, your price, with 1,620 datacores means you will need to sell each datacore at 216,049 ISK to break even(Not counting taxes, etc). If you go through the hassle of running 1 mission per agent per day, or 15 missions per day or 1,350 missions per GTC, you double your research and thus half the price you can sell at to break even.
At this point, you can sell each datacore for 108,024 ISK to break even. However, this is taking into account a ton of mission grinding which isn't that profitable when you consider it'll take a few hours every day to run those R&D agent missions.
In and of itself, being a datacore farmer is not ISK efficient as you pointed out. 80k would in fact be a bad price. However, as the lottery is over, everyone is throwing their datacores away as fast as possible.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2007.06.08 15:32:00 -
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I'm surprised anyone held onto their cores this long. Many people have been saying for weeks that the lotteries were drying up and there was no possibly chance of a BPO pull.
If you have cores, liquidate everything now. Wait for prices to bottom out around 25k to 30k. Buy in bulk then and hold till the prices stabilize around 50k to 60k which as pointed out previously is wholly tied to GTC prices. |
Baun
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.08 15:40:00 -
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Starship cores were low for a long time so there was not much chance to liquidate and actually cash in.
I managed to cash in 3 agents right before the crash for about 2.5billion isk. The other ones had already crashed before the fields dried up so I am just holding onto the datacores.
You would be best advised to just invent with the cores yourself.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Heikki
Gallente Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.09 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Drused not sure your numbers are correct .. For non-ship .. 216,049 ISK
Thank you for the checkup; this example indeed was about starship engineering, which have (I think) 5x multiplier, and hence lower equilibrium price.
Instead of 3 daily missions (profiting <4M each), a more industrious would get standings and skills for maxed lv4 agents. In this case (now non-starship field) it would be :
90 * 3*6*80 / 50 = 2600, or >135k for profitable price (>27k for startship cores).
-Lasse
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.06.09 11:05:00 -
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Well done, you got into a market at precisely the wrong time :D.
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Amicus Pauperi
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Posted - 2007.06.09 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ulrich Sternaxe Edited by: Ulrich Sternaxe on 07/06/2007 08:29:35
Originally by: Amicus Pauperi
Perhaps the best way for you to turn this lemon into lemonade is by going into invention yourself. With that many cores, you could run 9,900 interceptor jobs...
I can't see how this changes anything. Your datacores won't magically increase in value just because you're using them yourself. Why am I actually responding to this again , some people just don't understand this concept, I should just let it rest, I'm not the only one who mentions this all the time on the forums.
Ulrich, I understand the concept just fine - what I'm suggesting is that he'll never be able to sell that large of a volume of cores, so essentially it's worthless. Thus making use of them may get him some ISK back. It was also a semi-sarcastic response.
AP
Economic PvP - Cornering Jita 4-4 |
Baun
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.09 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Heikki
Originally by: Drused not sure your numbers are correct .. For non-ship .. 216,049 ISK
Thank you for the checkup; this example indeed was about starship engineering, which have (I think) 5x multiplier, and hence lower equilibrium price.
Starship is a 3x multiplier and the datacores cost 150 RP each. Hence, a starship datacore is theoretically worth the same as any other datacore. The reason they are so much lower is that EVERYONE was researching them and so the market completely flooded.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Princess Trinity
Astro Tech N Trade
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Posted - 2007.06.09 22:51:00 -
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Well I sold them all for about 70k each, taking a 1 BILLION isk LOSS
Made 400 mil today but gonna take me another 2-3 days to make the loss back
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