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Matrixcvd
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Posted - 2007.06.07 06:42:00 -
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Resently the SUN alliance has undergone a shake up of management, not the likes of which most people would want to see. We are a growing alliance and as such, have assets in the members we employ that honor our code of conduct. It has become apparent that the former CEO of this Alliance does not, will not, and shall never share the same principles from which the Sundering Alliance has grown from. Villwrath, as CEO of TIC and self proclaimed leader of SUN, has taken a sizeable amount of assets from the alliance in an effort to line his own pockets and justify his greed. Villwrath has put in a number of applications to major corporations. Here is just a cut of his dubious evemails ----------------------------------------------------------- Cro,
My top 2 directors left, my head diplomat left, as well as some of my FC's. They all up and went to FIX. Now I was thinking of resigning CEO of TIC, and going to FIX myself, however was wondering if you got any openings in Eternity. I'm sick of the bull**** and just want some fun for once. If you'd have me, I might be interested in joining.
Villwrath has 18 million sp's. He has Inty 4, Dictor 4, AF 4, and BS 5. Can deploy large bubbles. Will be Carrier or Dread capable in about a month in a half. Have 6 Billion ISK in my wallet, and own ALL capital ship component blueprints, with max research (value is 30 Billion ISK) Experienced FC in all areas, inc. capitals.
I can bring a lot to your corp with my leadership experience, FC experience and 35+ Billion ISK in personal assets.
I know your probably shocked by this email, but I truly am considering just giving up on TIC, and SUN alliance. -----------------------------------------------------------
As all of the corps of SUN tried to put their support behind Villwrath, he has decided to take, steal, and pillfer all alliance assets. He has stolen personal assets between himself and other members. All of the BPO's he has listed were stolen from a joint venture in the SUN alliance. All ISK he claims to have, was taken from the TIC CORP wallet. Any additional funds he claims to own were a left from the SUN alliance, its share holders and subsideries. This person(Villwrath), who claims in a number of evemails to have aquired these assets, HAS STOLEN from his previous corporation and alliance. He should not be trusted. Villwrath has taken from his trusted corp and alliance, all of their BPOs with respect to capital ships and capital components. This invidual has removed trusted assets from a number of ventures and under any circumstances should not be trusted to act in a way that is respectible. I hope other corporations and alliances do not fall victim to the lies and deceit put forth by this indvidual. The Sundering Alliance has reorganised and grown stronger from this episode of deceit. I hope other corporations and alliances look at the character Villwrath with as much disdane as the pilots that fly under SUN have. Villwrath is not one to be trusted and has only strengthed SUN's resolve further to handle challenges set before it.
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Attak
Trioptimum FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.07 07:06:00 -
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Alliance + corp ticker = unlocked thread.
Corp thieves suck majorly, anywhere and anytime. All you can do is name and shame them and hope the rest of the community realizes what they've done. Good luck recouping your losses.
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Deco Parith
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Posted - 2007.06.07 07:48:00 -
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Edited by: Deco Parith on 07/06/2007 07:47:51 Edit: alt.
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Deco Parish
The Imperial Commonwealth The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.07 07:50:00 -
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Villwrath had a lot of respect in TIC and SUN. We would have stood by him had he resigned.
Instead he choose to betray all the respect and trust he had earned and run without saying anything, stealing as much alliance assets as he could gather.
Trust and friendship in EVE are àà wait there is no such thing.
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Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.06.07 08:07:00 -
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I putting a temp lock on this topic untill the OP activates his corp and/or his allaince name and then emails [email protected] and asks for it to be unlocked.
- Thanks Hutch. ____
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.06.07 15:48:00 -
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OP corp ticker is showing now. Thread unlocked upon request. ___
EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER
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Jules Wolfpack
ironwood ink The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.07 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jules Wolfpack on 07/06/2007 16:23:53 I often hear, and have said it myself that "this is just a game."
And, it's true. No question about that.
But trust, respect, integrity and honour are things that are real in everything that one does. Game or not, Villwrath, the person behind the screen has betrayed his friends, his corp and his alliance. He will always know what he did, regardless how successful he becomes, or how much ISK is in his wallet. This will be his punishment. It will follow him everywhere he goes, in this life or the next because as much as he can try and justify his actions in his mind, he will know that he is a scoundrel and a thief. We had warning signs. He kept bad company, namely, Nidia Masters, a self proclaimed dirtbag who assisted Villwrath in this act. The difference between the two is that Nidia never pretended to be honorable, so in this way, Nidia didn't defile his name anymore than he already does on a daily basis.
It's a shame so much trust was placed in Villwrath, but the alliance and the remaining members will only be stronger and more unified. The ISK and items stolen will be replace and we will continue to prosper and our time spent here wont be in vain.
Villwrath - Good luck to you. I hope it was worth it.
Game on!
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James Don
KDM Corp Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.07 16:29:00 -
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To the OP I was given information of the possability of Villwrath applying to FIX corps yesterday and have instructed corps to be aware of any applications and reject them as the information passed to me indicated a theft had taken place and there is no place in FIX for people like that.
James Don FIX Chairman
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world. - Wrangler |
Wylker
Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.07 16:36:00 -
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Be on the lookout for an 18 million SP char to appear on ebay or the char sale forums.
@Villwrath: die please irl.
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Rahvin Damodred
The White Star Consortium
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Posted - 2007.06.07 16:44:00 -
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At the end of the day that fancy ship you are flying is nothing but a set of pixels on a screen, the ISK in your wallet nothing but a cold number of digits. What matters most in this game is your friends around you and the reputation you build up slowly over time.
To the SUN alliance, my symphaties are with you. We have been in a similar situation although not on this big a scale. It was the best thing that ever happend to us. What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger.
To Villwrath, you turned yourself into a Judas for a bag of silver. And we all know what happend to him at the end of that story.
"Oh i don't PvP. I just shoot people who prevent me from carebearing" |
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Jules Wolfpack
ironwood ink The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.07 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: James Don To the OP I was given information of the possability of Villwrath applying to FIX corps yesterday and have instructed corps to be aware of any applications and reject them as the information passed to me indicated a theft had taken place and there is no place in FIX for people like that.
James Don
I respect that statement and your position James Don.
If that is the case, then might I direct your attention to the person I mentioned, Nidia Masters who is in fact in FIX atm. Nidia joined our alliance and The Imperial Commonwealth (TIC) a week before Villwrath defiled himself (check his corp history) and assisted Villwrath (scouted him out of Wicked Creek) in the getaway. And as I mentioned before, this action taken by Nidia isn't a surprise to me nor any of my alliance mates.
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Cubic
ironwood ink The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.07 20:09:00 -
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Villwrath was, for as long as i knew him, the representation of morale fortitude within the game, our allaince and our voice servers. As the head of our alliance, having gained the trust of all leadership, this was an unprecedented move. Rejecting convos from all who were his closest in game peers and even trying to steal his "friends" account.
Having severed all attempts of communication we suspected the worst.
TheSundering alliance, its corporations, its members and their friends (and theirs etc..) will forever hold this character (and its real life player) as a traitor, regardless of the owner of the account.
to me at least (and i address you in saying this vill), the game is about community and the pleasure it brings. I actually feel bad for you having commited yourself to a path of distrust amongst the whole eve community. When the in game actions of ONE man, can touch the lives of HUNDREDS in such a negative way, all i can possibly say is:
TouchT Salesman
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skank 1
The Imperial Commonwealth The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.07 20:47:00 -
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Edited by: skank 1 on 07/06/2007 20:48:59 Firstly i would like to thank Fix for thier honorable actions . Much respect to you . Secondly i would like to thank villwrath aka athena belmonte aka galla ria for his / her actions .This episode has brought the alliance and member corps tighter together than ever before and in the face of adversity we will pull through just fine . Many thanks to all that have offered help and assistance , again much respect
SK
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Cupdeez
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.07 21:03:00 -
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Sorry to hear about this SUN. You guys have always been good to us. Anyways if you guys need any help just ask we at CA will do what we can.
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KiNgShiZzLe
Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.07 21:35:00 -
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Sorry to hear what happend to you guys from Vill, but are we sure Nidia had anything to do with it?? For most of the time Vill was doing this Nidia was station sitting waiting to get his app accepted. Draging one persons name in mud who deserves it is fine, but plz don't assume someone helped him just because you don't like that person. The two things aren't even related.
King (one of the ex-TIC directors mentioned in this thread)
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sKCookieMonster
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Posted - 2007.06.07 21:42:00 -
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Edited by: sKCookieMonster on 07/06/2007 21:44:47 removed for wrong character used
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Monstre
Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.07 21:47:00 -
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Yes I must agree with King because I was station sitting with Nidia waiting on my app as well. So unless you can provide some type of evidence, which I know you dont have because it never happened.
On top of that you all have request me to provide you with Vill's code for vicious corp management software. That aint gonna happen its copywritten by vill and their are real life legal implications if I was to provide anyone with this source code. If you want it so bad contact vill.
Now as far as my opinion on this matter, I am sorry that our leaving TIC has caused you all so much strife and I will never condone the action that Vill has taken since our leaving but I will assure you that none of us have taken anything that wasnt ours and all debts to the corp or alliance were repaid before our leaving the corp.
As far as I am concerned, Jules you need to be able to back your statements before you make them.
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Bleh131
Gallente Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.07 23:17:00 -
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Hmm, a theft of this magnitude is indeed - dare I say - EPIC. However, let's also consider what Villwrath has gone through, and why he has done what he did.
First off, hi, I don't post here often, and I most likely won't post here often. However, as being the previous Fleet Admiral for the SUN alliance before handing it over to Matrix, and being Villwrath's friend for well over a year, I feel that he deserves some defense from these allegations. Not because of WHAT he did, but WHY he did it.
Although I do most certainly agree that the actions he took were wrong, none of these actions are PERMANENT. Did he burn the isk? No, did he spend the isk? NO! When I had spoken to him earlier - before he went into his reclusive state, he had felt very betrayed. He believed that the corp and alliance that he had envisioned had disappeared. Is it his fault? Is it because he was a bad leader, a bad executor? I don't believe so.
When TIC was first formed, it was designed to be a joint pvp/industrial corporation that would ultimately succeed in claiming its own space. Let's not forget that without Villwrath, we would have NEVER had the fun we had in Fribrodi, nor would we have met each other.
Without Vill we would have never had that epic taste of 0.0 when we joined IAC, nor would we have experienced the tranquility of Iron space pre-Eve War I. Villwrath has done NOTHING but good for this corporation, never having taken a cent for himself, trusting everyone around him as much as we trusted him.
Infinite tranquility is not the reason me, nor my friends/officers, joined the corp. We came to fight in the wars and to better ourselves, hence why I personally am in FIX (Eve war I ftw \o/ ). Villwrath himself, is indeed an excellent FC and logistics manager, even if he doesn't explain his intentions clearly...
and THAT ^^ is exactly what this is, a failure to explain intentions. This is not the first time all the assets in SUN have been seized, nor will it be the last. When our previous director had seized all assets and shares in SUN during an internal crisis, Villwrath didn't even say a word, having full faith in his decision to do so.
SUN survived, with the reason for the aformentioned seizing of assets half a year ago being nothing more than a security precaution.
Now - let's take a look at Vill's current situation before you all assumed he turned thief...
His directors left. His diplomats left.
In other words, SUN's heart had been stabbed. Being bogged down heavily in real life atm, and having nobody he FULLY TRUSTED (see: Having known for years), he decided to seize all assets in an effort to temporarily halt all production ventures, secure the wallet at this vulnerable state, and rebuild the alliance.
So... what does the remainder of SUN do?
"ZOMG THIEF SCATTER AHHH IT'S ALL OVER APOCALYPSE!!!!"
Well you know what? After such a blatantly public and personal attack on Villwrath on these forums, I wouldn't be one bit surprised if he did decide to turn his back on all of you.
What happened to trusting him as much as he trusted us? What happened to understanding?
The evemail he wrote (most likely acquired fiendishly), was done out of nothing but anger, haven't I said things I didn't mean out of anger? Hasn't anyone?
Until you have actual proof that he's squandered the seized assets, consider that he is actually trying to recover from his real-life problems, and is attempting to rebuild the alliance.
I still fully trust Villwrath, and have faith in his decision, no matter how epically horrible it may look to the public eye, because I am sure that if the alliance continues to have faith in him, the assets will most likely be returned.
And Vill, whatever problems you got in real-life, good luck to you, and come back to the flying-space-ships game soon!
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Jules Wolfpack
ironwood ink The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.07 23:18:00 -
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Edited by: Jules Wolfpack on 07/06/2007 23:18:16 Well King, you know me and you know I wouldn't drag anyone's name through the mud unless I knew what I was talking about.
On the night of the getaway, myself and a few other alliance mates station camped Villwrath. We sat for hours outside station waiting for our chance for some payback and possibly recover some of the stolen items.
At at some point, Nidia's alt undocked (Kailyn Y)in a cheetah. We convo'ed his alt and heard an amusing tale of how the char. was just sold and the pilot had no idea what was going on. The pilot stayed in system the entire time, even after the char. said that it was simply trying to get out of Wicked creek. Right before DT, Vill undocks and Kailyn Y leads the way for Vill. You might have seen the char. Nidia Masters docked where ever, but his alt was in Q-G, likely cloaked outside the station as eyes on for Vill. Vill undocks, our lone guard attempted to target and stop Vill, but was unsuccessful. Kailyn Y leaves system with Villwrath following behind.
How do I know this? Because I was there.
For the record, if my intentions were simply to slander people, I could have drug a lot of other names into this, but that would have been irresponsible and baseless.
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Haerana
The Republican Guard The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.07 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Haerana on 07/06/2007 23:39:02 Edited by: Haerana on 07/06/2007 23:38:45 LOL Bleh Man you know i love ya but most of what you said in defense of Vill is BS mate. 1stly he has known TRG and most of its players easily as long as most of TICs. Sure we havent always flown together but we have always kept contact. Diplomats didnt leave. 1 out of 3 did. death. still me and farnett were here and i jumped fully into the role. As for slandering him. Know what we did for the 1st 24hours of finding out he had taken everything? We setup threads and posts and evemails to him telling him we supported him and were ready to help out in anyway we could. If you really want ill send ya some SS of the threads in our forums. He ignored them all. The fact he did alot for us doesnt mean anything when he couldnt have done it without us to start with. There is never anything to justify taking what doesnt belong to you and screwing over people who cared about you. We Tried to support Vill when we found out what happend and what did he do? He ignored us and f***ed us over. The only thing i want Vill to do now is to quit eve and go play some other game. Although Vill if you are thinking of doing so, feel free to give us our stuff back so your not totally shamed and may regain some if very little respect and credability.
There is but 1 good thing that has come of this which is that the remaining players of TIC and SUN have Come Much closer together and are working harder than ever to make SUN all it can be.
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Jules Wolfpack
ironwood ink The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.07 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Bleh131
Now - let's take a look at Vill's current situation before you all assumed he turned thief...
His directors left. His diplomats left.
In other words, SUN's heart had been stabbed.
I understand your feelings Bleh, but attempting to steal a players account, seizing assets that didn't belong to SUN anyway (personal investments by a large majority SUN members who trusted Vill) and emptying every wallet he could get his hand on (the holding corps wallet, the PVP reimbursement hanger loot, and the bazaar move of deleting all vent admins sans himself) is not someone having a hard time dealing with losing a few members from his corp and "protecting assets". That's real naive thinking there man.
But, you are loyal to him and that's your decision to make.
I will agree that communication is key to this. Had he simply sent ANYONE in SUN an evemail, answered the numerous attempts to call him on the phone, didn't block everyone who attempted to contact him in game, simply responded in ANY way to all attempts to try and understand what was going on, we would have likely given him the benefit of the doubt.
A lot of us still didn't believe it was happening until we got wind of the app to MC where he listed his large wallet and assets as his own.
And lets be honest.. his friends and directors who left for FIX didn't steal, didn't pod him, didn't do anything but switch corps. If he can't handle that, and simply needs to steal from everyone around him, well, personally I don't want to be around a person like that.
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ISpydeRI
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Posted - 2007.06.07 23:47:00 -
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I'll make this short and sweet . Even days after villwrath had been mia and rejecting convos , mails , phone calls We still trusted him . We did not turn our back on villwrath for a second untill we saw for our own eyes the apps he put in to various corporations. I know about all he did and what he made SUN into , and that does not give him the right to take these assets . I cannot tell you how many people were backing Vill even though we knew what probably was going on . I was actually shocked tbh. The show of support would bring any1 back . We did not lose the heart of our alliance or corp . We lost a couple of important people in TIC . As a alliance and corporation we are in fact strong ( stronger now then i would have thought). Bleh i know ur the man , but what he did was evil and cannot be justified . I just wish Vill could have contacted us and saw how we were looking forward to moving on and saw that there were many people ready to step up and do their part to move us on our way. It's just unfortunate for all. All hope was not gone . A corps leaders are importanant but without good membership a corp would be nothing .
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Jaron Faus
x13 Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.07 23:48:00 -
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*sigh*
Very sorry to hear SUN. Shame on you Villwrath!
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Droewa
Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.08 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: Droewa on 08/06/2007 00:12:03
Nidia is a member oh JAKD now. And considering the amount of respect and backing he has from other Former TIC members now in JAKD, it will take some serious proof for me to believe he would aid in any kind of corp theft.
As for Vill. Shame.
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Dirty Martini
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Posted - 2007.06.08 00:42:00 -
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Edited by: Dirty Martini on 08/06/2007 00:42:11 Hello Bleh's description of Vill's history is pretty accurate. Vill dealt with a lot of crap as CEO. Based on all of the s**t I've seen him deal with I am surprised he lasted this long. We also had to deal with His crap as well. The Sundering formation was difficult from the beginning but has grown with Vill's guidance and direction, but hands down it's members certainly were what made Sundering what it is now.
I had a lot of respect for Vill. I will not forget his huge effort to Raise SUN and TIC to it's glory days , his respect he gave me, the fun memories he helped create and the opportunity to play EvE with him. But I will not turn on him so easily and am somewhat shocked at how quickly his allies and corpmates aggressed him. However he was given AMPLE opportunity to explain himself. Some may believe it a hopless endeavor but I'm holding out for some action on his part to help restore some of my respect.
Offers were made to Villwraith to communicate what exactly he was doing with corp assets using many methods but he chose to ignore us. Many were offering support to him in forums and Corp mail. Yet we heard nothing. Ignoring the attempts was a mistake, especially when he left with assets and isk not his own.
This mistake does deserve some Retribution... Dirty Martini
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Geofftrin Ryne
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Posted - 2007.06.08 01:29:00 -
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Let's not turn this into Vill's actions were a response to us turning on in him so quickly. Let's give the members of SUN/TIC kudos for giving VIll every chance to explain himself. We all admired Vill's contributions, that's what makes the possibility of this happening so hard and emotional for many in the alliance. It just doesn't seem like it could happen with such a person of Vill's integrity. Obviously TIC was disappointed when several key members left. We knew it was a big blow. When it happened, there were tons of emails to Vill rallying support, asking new members to step up as leaders, heck we started a Forum Topic called "Support for Villwrath". It's still there and we are still having this debate. I wish I could believe Villwrath was asking MC if SUN could join, but that sadly doesn't appear to be the case. There's no excuse for Villwrath to take the assests of a joint venture started by him and Worlds. He didn't/still won't answer World's phone calls. He didn't from day one. No, I am convinced. I pray that Vill comes back, explains himself, gives back CORP/Alliance assets, and makes it look like I betrayed him for not trusting a friend, our leader. My broken heart tells me that isn't going to happen.
Geofftrin
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William Romeo
Caldari Two Brothers Mining Corp. The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.08 01:59:00 -
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Edited by: William Romeo on 08/06/2007 02:01:55 edited to correct something..... but i still think Nidia was involved.
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Geofftrin Ryne
Caldari The Imperial Commonwealth The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:52:00 -
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Bleh, I appreciate your loyalty to Vill. I truly do. But please appreciate ours too. For the sake of our friendship, please lets not turn this into Vill did what he did because we dissed him so early. When all the directors left for your CORP, everyone was shocked. But we stayed strong and positive. Tons of emails went out rallying support for Vill,tons Bleh, asking members to stay strong, asking members to step and help Vill lead our Corp/Alliance. Bleh, if you were still in the Corp, left behind, you would have been proud of the support for Vill. Did people suspect the worse. Of course they did. When you are best friends with Vill like Worlds was, its hard to think the best when he's taken Worlds assets and won't answer phone calls, blocks convo's etc. Heck , we even started a forum called SUPPORT FOR VILLWRATH. The emotional debate is still going on. I pray I'm wrong, Vill comes back, returns assets, and proves I was wrong about him. But my heart tells me that won't happen.
Geofftrin
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Satanica Night
Emerald Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.08 03:21:00 -
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Edited by: Satanica Night on 08/06/2007 03:21:11 When EE was in SUN, this is the (bad) side of villwrath that we saw..
Horrible thing to see this happen to anybody though.
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Callthetruth
Caldari Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.08 03:30:00 -
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he was abandoned by a large number of his leadership he could have marched on or handed control over while not condoning what he did can understand him just going right thats it out i go can understand it more if the alliance was full of whiners if it wasnt weel its a bad move on his part
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