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Posted - 2007.06.07 18:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Hectaire Glade
And before anyone attempts to propagate the myth further, it is not difficult to probe out players who are running missions.
It can take up to an hour, or never happen at all. It requires the use of a 5au or 10au probe (sometimes you can't even get close enough) and for the entire time I am probing you can simply hit the scan button and if you see a probe out, STOP RUNNING THE MISSION.
If you are in the second or third or fourth room you can simply be scanning the local 100,000km area and if you see another ship, STOP RUNNING THE MISSION.
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Proposed Solution: Lock acceleration gates to only the mission runner and gang while any NPCs are spawned in the deadspace pocket that the gate leads into.
You solution reads as
Proposed Solution: Put me in a safe little bubble where no one can come and attack me so that I don't have to be put at the same risk as say, someone running a belt or a complex or an exploration site
And if you can't see why thats just plain wrong, you need to find another game.
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Posted - 2007.06.07 19:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ridley Tree on 07/06/2007 19:18:28
Originally by: Hectaire Glade
As I said, anyone touting the 'its hard to find people in missions' either has not tried or does not have reasonable scanning skills.
Yeah cause I've never scanned down any missions. I don't have nigh perfect scanning skills, a buzzard and a hanger full of probes.
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Its easy to find people in missions under current mechanics, drones make locating you significantly easier. Given most level 4s take around an hour to complete, if someone is actively looking for you they will come to play within than time window, either that or they do not know how to scan properly.
Its not hard, its time consuming. Much like a mission.
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Back to my original point, I'm trying to suggest a way to get people into low sec, making missions safer once your are through the acceleration gate would mean more people in low sec who are still vulnerable in travel and when looting. I use the word 'griefing' because in my mind someone who attacks you when under full NPC spawn agro is doing exactly that, stacking the odds undeniably in their favor and taking almost no risk at all.
Kind of like exactly what you are asking for? Stacking the odds 100% in your favor by making you impossible to harm? Traveling without being killed is incredibly easy. Fit up 8x stabs and almost no gate camp will worry you. Dock up in system, change your fittings and then undock and either fly to mission or if being station camped just redock and wait.
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Those disagreeing would rather sit at the empire gate and hope some noobie comes through on auto, or have an increased number of active experienced players in low sec?
There are a large enough amount of people in low-sec as it is. The complaint is not that there are not enough mission runners. The complaint is that there are no miners, no belt runners and no complex runners.
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You don't get it do you? If a missioner runner has to stop running the mission everytime someone drops a probe, its not worth running missions in low sec, period, may as well go do them in empire where you don't get interupted. End result? Low sec remains just as empty as it as today (with the exception of Khanid).
Yes I do get it. You apparently don't. You are asking for what will essentially be 100% safety. You will not be killed traveling through the gate because you can simply scout it or stab it up. You will not be killed outside station because you can simply dock up. You will not be killed at your mission because no one else can enter it. Am I missing something?
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Its called compromise, whats in place today obviously isn't working, so something needs to change or the low sec population won't. Would you rather have the chance to get someone intransit or looting, or no chance at all because they are in empire?
What is in place today works fine.
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Posted - 2007.06.07 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Macmuelli
If npcs woud change targets when a pirate group enter your mission, this woud be absolutly nice and much more faier then now.
Assisting my Gurista brethren inside a mission is one of the only times I can work hand in hand with my roleplay compatriots. Why take this away from me?  
And to be honest. Why would the NPCs in the mission redirect fire on to me, the one shooting you. The enemy of my enemy is my friend right? Guess that makes me and the NPCs best buds. I'm there to save their necks after all. And in my case, I really am.
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If the deadspace gate woud be looked if u had enter it for a ammount of time, this woud be fantastic to like crypt a code as a mission runner after entrance deadspace. Then the pirate had to decrypt( skillbased) this code.
Great, more skill grindage.
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To watch all the time the Local / scanner woud stop me njoying this game.
Cos it s absoltly SICK that a group will then only patroling "hot" mission system to make the runners nervous.
Gee, guess what us Pirates do? We watch local 100% of the time like a hawk and have our scanner up on our screen getting refreshed ever 30 seconds to a minute. Well I do. But I'm paranoid.
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U wanna have Pvp as a pirate?
Why not attacking a alliance, then ganking ships with an completly non pvp fitting?
I ts easier then this ?
You've got our motivations wrong. We want isk. Specifically your isk. The PVP is jut a nice side benefit to that.
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Posted - 2007.06.07 20:41:00 -
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Edited by: Ridley Tree on 07/06/2007 20:40:24
Originally by: Macmuelli
jeah i dont know that alliances dont have isks.. mmh sry 
and u as a roleplayer (gueristas are your friends and brother and sisters.
Why u dont go up to venal and kill some youwhat or bobs?
and free your plexes and let the gueristas raise up?
Low-sec is more fun.
And you're in an alliance, that has some syndicate operations IIRC. So stop complaining :p
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Posted - 2007.06.07 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Chelone
Thousands living in Lowsec? What server is that on? Any person that thinks lowsec is dangerous is called SMART.
Tranquility. And yeah there are a few thousand players in low-sec. And he said to dangerous. If low-sec is so dangerous that you can't manage to live there relatively safely, yeah you suck at EVE. Now you might decide its not worth the hassle and thus stay in hi-sec. But if you just plain can't figure out how to not get ganked in missions or travel safely then you pretty much suck at EVE.
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Posted - 2007.06.07 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
Most medium sized 0.0 alliance can muster gangs far larger than most pirate corp/alliances can, they're far tougher targets than people in lowsec, hence risk being high and reward being low.
Yep.
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And 99% of 0.0 pilots dont fly around with billions in a faction fitted ship alone.
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Posted - 2007.06.07 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: MehTheTrader
Whats with all these losers who want easy kills in low sec. LOL. Stop trying to design the game to easy for pirating in low sec. Low sec is basically 0.0... gate guns suck.
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Posted - 2007.06.07 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: MehTheTrader
Edited by: MehTheTrader on 07/06/2007 22:07:03
Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich
Ohnos i cant do my missions alone....
Adapt fight back
So a mission runner brings 10 pilots with him. Isk is not worth. The only adaption is going back to hi sec. Locking down the system for an alliance is another solution which is also pointless, you can do that in 0.0. lvl 4 are meant for solo missoners to be useful. If someone wanted to actually bring a fleet, they would be doing plex's. But mission runners are soloing, or else its not isk efficient. 2 people max, then lvl 3's win over. 2 people die easy.
Your not pvping, you are ganking/griefing in this position. Big difference.
Run 4-7 or so different missions using 10 people. If someone gets ganked, warp out of yours and to your buddy.
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Posted - 2007.06.07 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Chelone
Originally by: Ridley Tree
if you just plain can't figure out how to not get ganked in missions or travel safely then you pretty much suck at EVE.
If you live in 0.1-0.4 and whine like a baby because you want more defenseless mission-running victims, then you pretty much suck at EVE.
Sure if you live in .1-.4 and you do whine like a baby for more defenseless mission-running victims, then you probably do suck at EVE.
There are already plenty of them here! 
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Posted - 2007.06.08 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Chelone
The problem is that lowsec pirates think they are just as "entitled" to easy player-kills as carebears are entitled to NPC-kills. Except, NPC's aren't people. Some pirates just cannot really comprehend that fact. PEOPLE don't want to give you free isk, or free kills, or free ego-stroking.
Yep, so entitled to those easy player-kills that I've gone ahead and given away the deep dark secret of using your scanner to watch for probes and how to avoid gate-camps. 
The only people whining in this thread have been mission runners who don't want to take the same precautions everyone else does in low-sec.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Chelone
Only way to know what's on the other side of a gate, outside a station, etc is a scout. Some people don't want to pay for 2 accounts, nor do they want to constantly depend on friends to scout for them. And if someone has to constantly scan and scan during a mission, like a bird who is eating and constantly popping its head up looking for possible attackers, that too is a hassle and would require greater compensation.
Its not if someone has to. They have to. Period. Just as I do when trying to explore or hide in a safe. Great so if they don't want a second account and don't want to play with friends, then they won't be able to scout and that sucks for them. Get friends, get a second account, fly a stabbed up ship, fly a small ship etc... plenty of ways to get through low sec (and 0.0) safely.
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Also - new, higher level agents aren't even in the game nor distributed to their lowsec locations yet. You don't know what conditions will be like then.
Yep I don't know, nor do you, hence why I'm not talking about some hypothetical future when Lvl 5s come out. I'm talking about the here, the now, and how to avoid people like myself if you want to care bear it up in low-sec.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: Chelone
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Ridley mate...I don't know why you bother arguing with the "WoW in Space" crowd .
Last I checked, you had to earn money to pay for all your PvP gear. Missions are about earning money, through a generally boring diversion. Period. It's not "WoW carebearing" to want to be able to earn money without losing your damn ship every hour.
Let me see. I got a donation from an EVE Uni player. Took that and bought a Tristan and an Iteron. I started ore thieving. Then I did some 0.0 ratting in a Thorax. Then I started gate camping it up once in a Brutix. I occasionally do an exploration site if I decide I want some fast cash injection otherwise all of my isk comes from PvP. Indeed I'd estimate 90-95% of my total isk earned in game has been forcibly removed from the pockets of others via ransoms or from the sale of modules from their wrecks.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone
EDIT--As to scan times it depends on the individual pilots skill. As Ridley already mentioned the typical scan process can take anywhere up to an hour. It comes down really to the number of scans/probe with each 5AU probe having a run time of a bit over 4 minutes.
I think you mean 4AU exploration probes via scan probe launcher. 5AU probes run about 30 seconds to 2 minutes depending on scanner skills via recon probe launcher.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Qaed
All they have to do is wait for the right opportunity. That may be boring, but it's not dangerous.
Has something to do with being a predator. You wait for circumstances to favor you, then you attack. As such it is just as you describe, a waiting game. There is no way to 'fix' something that is just a normal part of the eco-system.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Chelone
Never been probed out. Never ran missions in lowsec. Why on earth would I? 3 quality points? LOL! That's the joke of the century right there. Give people real rewards if you want them to go there.
LOL. So you're whining, complaining *****ing and moaning and coming up with 'solutions' to things you have no experience or understanding of? Have you even used a scan probe launcher? Do you even know how to use the scanner? Have you ever even shot another player?
You can go now.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Qaed
You're not a "predator" though, just another player who choses to pirate instead of something else.
Originally by: American Heritage Dictionary
pred+a+tor (prěd'ə-tər, -t(r') Pronunciation Key
n.
1. An organism that lives by preying on other organisms.
2. One that victimizes, plunders, or destroys, especially for one's own gain.
Yeah I'd say I'm a predator.
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And the "eco-system", if it exists, won't change regardless if you are successful or fail.
Yeah it won't. And thats fine. People will keep on running missions/mining/ratting. I'll keep on preying on them. That will get me more isk so I can buy more stuff so I can keep on preying on people in new and exciting ways.
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So, why should you have an advantage in engagements with missions running players? Shouldn't pirates have to face a risk too?
We kinda do. Gate guns. Anti-pirates. Mercs. Carebear Bait tactics. Pirates prey on other players. Our risks are only as dangerous as the people we prey on. Its up to you to be a threat to us because no one else in the game is. And its up to us to minimize those threats by picking our targets carefully.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Chelone
Do you have experience being hit by buses on the freeway? No? Are you stupid enough to go walk in front of one?
red herring. Thank you come again.
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I'm sure you'd love me to fly a nice juicy faction ship into lowsec so you could provide me with some "firsthand experience", but fortunately for me that isn't necessary.
Sure I'd like it, especially if you are too dumb to take the precautions I've advised.
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My formidable intellect will more than suffice. If you had been listening, you would know that I simply explained WHY more people don't go there, and WHAT would be required for them to do so.
You mean you whined about how low-sec isn't safe enough for you? Boo hoo. "Make low-sec safer, more people will come" complains the carebear in hi-sec. The Pirate responds "um, there's enough people here thanks oh and if they implement those changes mission runners would be untouchable." Then you threw a little hissy fit about pirates whining like babies for more targets . Not that I've seen any pirates whining for more targets in this thread.
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But of course, you weren't. I also ragged on lowsec pirates who want easy kills, and now you seem bitterly offended, which leads me to believe you are one...
Oh god yes. I love easy kills. They're quick, profitable and mildly entertaining. And if you think I'm bitterly offended you need to learn how to read people better.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 01:17:00 -
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Oh and as it stands right now. A smart mission runner is untouchable. I ran missions in Venal for a bit to get my Gurista Corp standings positive for RP reasons. I escaped multiple gate camps and station camps without issue and managed to watch my scanner well enough to avoid being discovered in my missions. Why mission runners want more safety just makes me go  .
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Posted - 2007.06.08 01:55:00 -
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Edited by: Ridley Tree on 08/06/2007 01:57:23
Edited by: Ridley Tree on 08/06/2007 01:56:37
Originally by: MehTheTrader
Edited by: MehTheTrader on 08/06/2007 01:44:16
Originally by: Ridley Tree
Oh and as it stands right now. A smart mission runner is untouchable. I ran missions in Venal for a bit to get my Gurista Corp standings positive for RP reasons. I escaped multiple gate camps and station camps without issue and managed to watch my scanner well enough to avoid being discovered in my missions. Why mission runners want more safety just makes me go .
Recon Ships. They can cloak, you can't see them in scan, all griefers use those. You should know that since you are an expert in not *dying* during missions. So you would be easy prey to any griefer if you were missioning in low sec.
A smart missioner if he followed your plan would have a miserable death the first time he tried. A smart misson runner will stay in highsec or do a plex under protection.
Its funny how these low sec players think they are good at pvp. pvp is in 0.0, ganking noobs is in low sec.
Recon Ships can't cloak their probes
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: MehTheTrader
You uncloak for one second to a launch probe.... please don't tell me you can really notice that.
Sometimes yes.
But you can always see their probe 
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ridley Tree on 08/06/2007 02:33:24
Originally by: Qaed
You misunderstood my point. You're a player in EVE, the people you prey on are players in EVE. The individual should determine the success rate against other players, not the environment.
That would be the situation if we all got together in say, an Arena, and agreed to 1 on 1 matches. We don't. Instead we go about our business in a world where people are free to attack us whenever they wish. Therefor the intelligent player uses the environment to his advantage. For instance If I wait to attack a Raven only until after he has gotten aggro from 20 NPCs and I know that my Myrmidon, with the assistance of the NPCs (hell probably without) will be able to break his tank with ease... why would I not chose to engage him at his weakest?
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Hopefully you do, because I don't see much excitement in engaging other players who have 20 NPC's targetting them.
I don't see much excitement in shooting 20 NPCs for isk when I can shoot another player for more isk. To each his own eh?
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Those are general threats, and everyone faces them. When a player jumps into an instance and is fighting NPC's, they are facing a specific threat. There is no risk to a pirate jumping in after him, and there either should be or the player running missions in low-sec should be getting massive rewards for success.
Those risks still exist when I jump in. In particular the 'bait' risk. A risk that a PVE player doesn't face.
But more importantly why should the Pirate be facing more risk for his actions in these circumstances? He is punished for them. No hi-sec entrance. Being shot by stations and gate guns after committing a hostile action etc... The risk to me is that of other players. If I manage those risks in such a way that they are negligible then I'm playing smart.
In terms of the instance, as I said. I'm there to help NPCs. They've got no reason to shoot me. I've chosen to engage when risk to myself is minimal. I've done the smart thing. The person I've managed to nab has done the foolish thing and not watched their scanner. Simple.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:37:00 -
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Its also worth pointing out that I am quite simply the only risk the mission runner faces. Missions can be run on autopilot and no one worth their salt is at any risk from the NPCs. The only risk to the mission runner is other players. The only risk to the pirate is other players. Somehow that seems fair to me.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Qaed
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But more importantly why should the Pirate be facing more risk for his actions in these circumstances?
You're not. As a matter of fact, you're not facing any realistic risk here unless for some reason the mission-runner is packing a scrambler, and then the risk is miniscule. That's the problem.
The risk I face is the action of the other player. That he has handicapped himself by his setup and lack of situational awareness is his problem, not mine.
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Why would a pirate even go to hi-sec? The only pirating to be done is of the suicide kind, and alts are better to buy and transport gear.
Ease of travel? Moving my corp requires the use of freighter alts and jumping carriers to move rigged ships around. Generally takes a good deal of logistics to get anywhere. Moving a hi-sec corp around is 'alright guys, fly your ships over here within the next month.' There is also that fact that gate-guns don't protect you when you get shot at.
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Being shot at after hostile action happens to everyone, not just pirates.
Not when you're shooting a pirate it doesn't.
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As I said, there's no risk in jumping into someone else's mission. The only risk you face is being caught by other players who aren't engaged in a mission. That's not a disadvantage though like having to fight pirates while running a mission.
Right so the problem here is that you can be engaged on while you are doing something that puts you at a disadvantage if someone comes to shoot you . See what I said above. The pirate is doing the smart and intelligent thing by using the environment and the situation to his advantage. A smart mission runner won't get caught. A bad one will be.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 03:37:00 -
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Edited by: Ridley Tree on 08/06/2007 03:36:21
Originally by: Vladtsun Raide
Make pirates attackable anywhere, anytime, even when docked in stations. That is much more realistic. Let them face realistic representations of what it's like to be a "predator". If you're a "pirate" then civilization - aka stations - should offer you no succor. In real life, pirates get hunted everywhere, including every port they run to.
Pirates are attackable anywhere, anytime. Except when docked in stations. And really if you think we should be attackable while in station you're off your rocker.
Also in real life Pirate had plenty of safe havens and in the 'lower security' areas (such as the Colonies and the Caribbean) there were a great many famous ports of call that were friendly to pirates. Pirates were also able to ally themselves as 'privateers' of the various nations and thusly had free access to those ports. In addition in the world of EVE corporations exist in such a manner separate from the nations and separate from the police. Fed Mart and Lai Dai don't care if I shoot you.
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That - and increasing the size of the rare element asteroids - will bring peeps out to low sec. Right now there's not much point to mining rare mins when killing the rats that will plague you are a faster source of money than the asteroids that last half a mining cycle.
True enough.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Chelone
That's your most delusional statement yet! You're on a roll!
We are being told, friends, that a mission runner who is not in an all-out PvP setup has "handicapped himself." That is PROFOUNDLY stupid.
He's taking on a spawn of 20 npcs in a public area where I can attack him. Therefor he's handicapped. There ya go... If he's not smart enough to look out and around for me coming to get him via scanner, there ya go.
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(sound of world's smallest violin...)
And thats why I don't make threads complaing about it, I just point it out as one of the handicaps of being a pirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Hectaire Glade
Edited by: Hectaire Glade on 08/06/2007 05:01:53
Ridley, Thanks for relieving yourself all over the thread, the whole point of my original post was to create discussion, you've done a very thorough job of trying to extinguish that discussion with your very singular point of view.
Surely as someone who 'preys' on non-pirate players in low sec you would welcome something which would increase the quantity of 'victims' available to you? If this brings 20 more people to your local system, one or two of them are going to be making the occasional mistake which will allow you to use your uberl33tskillz to kill them while under fire from 750-1000 DPS NPC spawn who you are 'helping' because its 'roleplay'.
You're weolcome.
In my opinion low-sec is fine. There are plenty of mission spots out there and plenty of traffic into it. If people become invulnerable in their missions and outside stations and coming through gates via stabs then all my targets will dry up. Maybe you can see why I don't like your proposal.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
The FACT is low sec is totally borked and anyone with an ounce of sense can see it. 0.0 is safer and more profitable.
If you keep secure control over your space. Just ask D2 how safe it has been for them lately.
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Hi sec is safer and more profitable. Why the f--k does ANYONE think low sec makes sense as it is today? Just open your freaking map in game and look at the population distribution. Want to call 95% of EVE players idiots who just do not see the gem that low sec really is?
I'm calling the people who can't stay alive in low-sec bad players not willing to take the precautions necessary. This isn't to say that low-sec is a gem or that it is better than hi-sec or 0.0. Because frankly it isn't. It is however livable. People who think it needs to be made safer are idiots.
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Low sec needs fixing. Badly. A HUGE area of EVE is generally unsused because game mechanics make it silly for anyone to bother. If you cannot see that you are blind and I am shocked CCP has let it be.
We can argue over the finer points of what fixes might be in order but to say no fix is needed and everyone who doesn't deal with low sec is naive is simplistic in the extreme. The game could be HUGELY better with getting low sec sorted out.
Yes EVE could be much better getting low-sec sorted out. The OP's 'solution' as it were however is a bunch of bull**** and I'm calling it out for what it is.
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If you think the status quo is swell you are seriously blind or so caught up in your own world as to entirely miss the point.
The Status Quo is a whole lot better than the proposed solution of the OP. And since this thread is about the OP's solution (and not yours or mine) I'm not arguing for other changes in favor over his.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
It is not about "bad" players. It is about the mechanics making low sec really not worth the hassle. Can people live in low sec? Sure. But why bother really? They'd be better off hanging near anywhere else (0.0 or hi sec).
Like I said. I'm calling the people who can't stay alive in low-sec bad players or are just not willing to take the necessary precautions. I'm making no comment about the people who choose to stay in Hi-sec.
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Fine...you disagree with the OP's solution. That's cool. I have made alternate solutions and no one has commented. My solutions are ones that are similar to the OP but vary a bit to allow for issues others have brought up. No nerf to pirates, no nerf to mission runners...yet all seem hell bent on ignoring honestly given suggestions and wailing on the OP.
Great go make another (one of dozens) thread about your solution to low-sec. Maybe people who then respond to your point in your thread about it rather than de-railing this one eh?
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