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Toriatrix
The Blackwater Brigade
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Posted - 2007.06.07 18:44:00 -
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Tell me whats wrong with my idea, but please don't flame, be constructive. 
 If you assume Macro miners use barges or T2 barges, and are located in a NPC corp.
And PPL want to kill Macro miners. But can't war dec an NPC corp.
 Introduce something like a "license" for operating mining barges in high-sec, and no-one in a NPC corp can make use of these "driving-lincens'es" while beeing in a NPC corp. If they do drive a barge in High-sec they are outlaws. 
Any non-NPC corps can get a "mining-license" for free (or a symbolic value) from Concord.
And can mine all they want, If they are Macro-miners they can be War-dec'ed.
Also to prevent them from changing corps every day they would need mining-roles in the corp. And the use of such a licence needs to prevent you from leaveing the corp too soon, say a few days. 
So there you have it, give the players a way to kill Macro Miners.
Small inconvinience for miners who are in the NPC-corps, but a good ammount of fun for the players that think Macro killing/kamikaze ganking is just as fun.. 
-Toriatrix
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.06.07 18:46:00 -
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Have a cookie. You know, no-one has ever thought of forcing miners out of NPC corps before. In fact apply to CCP for a job, you'll rise straight to the top.
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Dust Rocket
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Posted - 2007.06.07 18:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Toriatrix
Small inconvinience for miners who are in the NPC-corps,
Yeah lets fck up game for legal players for mackro killing.
Learn to suicide them dont ruin game for normal players.
And yes im in NPC corp. And that u could have good game my game exp. must be gimped?
Sry my english
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.07 18:53:00 -
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Where you are wrong?
Basically there are plenty of HighSec miners that are legitimate players in NPC corps. They have mostly left their corps, got tired of corp/alliance politics, their previous corp is at war, etc etc etc. Macros that are in NPC corps will just jump to a corp, then leave and go to another if you war dec them. This is acceptable practice. Your idea nerfs legitimate players, without effecting Macros. YOu won't drive macros from the game via attempting to kill them (they aren't playing for fun), but you will drive out legitimate miners who will get tired of getting shot at all the time.
Come up with a way that does not hurt legitimate players and you will have everyone's support. In the meantime, it is CCP's job to deal with macros. It is our job to report them as often as possible in the hopes that CCP will actually respond.
Remember, every time you shoot a legitimate miner who then leaves the game you make macros more profitable.
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Toriatrix
The Blackwater Brigade
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Posted - 2007.06.07 19:00:00 -
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But Why would you need to be in an NPC corp?
It only takes a small amount of time to train for corp management, and you can make your own corp.
Also if you had read my post properly, you'd see that macrominers CAN'T jump corps all the time, because the "licence" don't work unless you have a "miner" role in your corp. And if you increase that role to last for a few days, theese macro miners can't mine until they have the active role and licence again.
Easy as veldspar. 
-Toriatrix
The Blackwater Brigade. |
Thanos Draicon
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Posted - 2007.06.07 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Toriatrix
But Why would you need to be in an NPC corp?
It only takes a small amount of time to train for corp management, and you can make your own corp.
Also if you had read my post properly, you'd see that macrominers CAN'T jump corps all the time, because the "licence" don't work unless you have a "miner" role in your corp. And if you increase that role to last for a few days, theese macro miners can't mine until they have the active role and licence again.
Easy as veldspar.
What if you just like playing with a bunch of fairly nice people without having to worry about being war-decced or corporate politics? That shouldn't prevent you from using a mining barge, for christ's sake...
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MotherMoon
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Posted - 2007.06.07 19:13:00 -
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I don't know... but I like the idea of some sort of, you can't fly this ship untill you talk to someone and or something.
maybe a player can become a CEO in the NPC corp with the faction warfare coming out?
and that person or people can only give out the right to use such huge mining machines in the space that the empire owns.
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Speed Devil
Caldari
Mean Machines
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Posted - 2007.06.07 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: Speed Devil on 07/06/2007 19:21:56
it would be better if it was possible to do a wardec on a single person wich should cost about 20-30m a week. and yes it should cost that much since he aint able to call in friends to defend him.
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ok i lied, i want to wardec for free
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.06.07 19:26:00 -
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There is only one way to get rid of macrominers and farmers is to give everyone infinite ISK or make everything in game free. So long as anything has value, they will try and make money off it.
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Toriatrix
The Blackwater Brigade
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Posted - 2007.06.07 19:32:00 -
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Well.. either you can "prevent" macro miners from .. macro'ing.. with some fancy in-game mechanic (like my first idea), or you can make it harder for them to macro by moving the "user" menus around.
Like:
Remove the overview buttons and make right click menus appear (randomly) above or below the mouse pointer. This way, macro programs won't work.
Or maybe change the way the user menus work just while beeing in a barge.
-Toriatrix
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Toriatrix
The Blackwater Brigade
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Posted - 2007.06.07 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Derovius Vaden
There is only one way to get rid of macrominers and farmers is to give everyone infinite ISK or make everything in game free. So long as anything has value, they will try and make money off it.
Not very constructive..
-Toriatrix
The Blackwater Brigade. |
Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.06.07 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Toriatrix
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
There is only one way to get rid of macrominers and farmers is to give everyone infinite ISK or make everything in game free. So long as anything has value, they will try and make money off it.
Not very constructive..
You want to get rid of macro miners, you have to do above. There is constructive/destructive side to these arguments when all of them fundementally fail the meet the above guidelines.
So, just stop, I'm sick of reading threads like this.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.07 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 07/06/2007 20:14:28
Well i had a kinda working idea on the F&I forums, but i did come up with more, do let me know.
Contract mining only: You basicly take out a contract for mining stuff(maybe npc contracts too?). You then go out, fill this "quota" and get iskies/stuff. Remove minerals from market.
On cash contracts, you could set a number of people you will let fill this contract, so that small amounts mined by the new players can get cash too.
In other words; Player A makes a contract for one MILLION veldspar. He sets the possible miner count to 10. Now these 10 can fill this contract at different volumes, but get paid accordingly.
don't know how much this would effect macromining but...thought it was a cool idea anyway 
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Ae'Lui
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Posted - 2007.06.07 20:30:00 -
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My solution to macro mining is simple.
Have the clever programmers a CCP create a macro detection program.
When there's a Macroer in game, in BIG BOLD letters have "I'm a Macroer please shoot me!" over the ship. Make the ship flashy and red and give all players the right to blow em up wherever they are!!
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Job Done!!!
No more macroers.
Or everyone who stupidly buys ISK for real money stop doing so.
SHOCKING I KNOW!!
Then the macroers won't be able to sell to anyone and they will take their business elsewhere.
Please discuss 
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Dowey
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.07 20:33:00 -
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ATTACK OF THE ALTS!!!!!!`11111oneoneleven!!???!?!?!
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Can't nerf this, dun dun da dun!!!!
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