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Dave White
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.15 18:14:00 -
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Very handy. Much Thnx and <3
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Yarek Balear
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:06:00 -
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Can this be stickied by any chance ? The sheer usefulness of encoding videos at about 1/10th of their normal size is completely ftw 
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xeom
Coagulated
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Posted - 2007.06.16 05:39:00 -
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I may have to use this now that I'm recording at 1600x900.Still kinda concerned about using a none standard format tho =\
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.16 05:45:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/06/2007 05:44:27
 Originally by: xeom
I may have to use this now that I'm recording at 1600x900.Still kinda concerned about using a none standard format tho =\
Actually, H.264 is the "new standard" of video, and Matroska is the only open standard of video format nowadays. The other standard is MP4, which you can easily convert to anyways. They're all pretty widely accepted standards; the video, for example, should play fine on a Playstation 3 if you remux it to MP4.
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Ronny Hendriks
FireStar Inc
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.16 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Yarek Balear
Can this be stickied by any chance ? The sheer usefulness of encoding videos at about 1/10th of their normal size is completely ftw
QFT!
really nice work DS! I've run some test encodings for quality comparison and results look really good! and the gui makes it a breeze to use *kudos!*
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Daimien Hayes
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Posted - 2007.06.16 17:59:00 -
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atlast .... mkv is best codeck around imo... quality stays the same but file size is reduced to third ^^ thnx for this and i hope taht all the others use this too!!! USE IT!
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.16 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Daimien Hayes
atlast .... mkv is best codeck around imo... quality stays the same but file size is reduced to third ^^ thnx for this and i hope taht all the others use this too!!! USE IT!
MKV is a container, not a codec; it can fit almost any type of video in existence.
The codec is x264, an implementation of the H.264/AVC standard 
/nitpicking 
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INZi
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.17 11:45:00 -
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right. thanks DS. i where gonna ask about if u could reach the 'codec' from AE. but u answered that allready since it's not a codec. but im gonna pass out thanks anyways to bump sum
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INZi
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.17 11:55:00 -
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ds a couple of questions:
Quote:
x264 [warning]: width or height not divisible by 16 (1440x900), compression will suffer.
how much will it suffer? whould i gain alot in compression by cropping my video?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.17 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: INZi
ds a couple of questions:
Quote:
x264 [warning]: width or height not divisible by 16 (1440x900), compression will suffer.
how much will it suffer? whould i gain alot in compression by cropping my video?
Not much. All that happens is that the encoder adds black bars to the sides (they're not displayed, but they're stored in the video file). This is extra data it has to store.
But guess what? Next version will have an Autocropper that will automagically crop it to the nearest 16 
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Lowa
Gallente
North Star Networks
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.06.17 17:01:00 -
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Edited by: Lowa on 17/06/2007 17:01:29
MY POOR CPU!
This is great stuff DS! I have a couple of questions though:
(And yes, they are going to be noobish since I no longer have any idea what Im doing)
1. 207MB .avi file (1280x720, 15 seconds long) straight from FRAPS becomes 1.5GB when
exporting from Premiere with No compression, settings look like this:
Export
Video only
Entire Sequence
Filetype
Microsoft AVI
Video Settings
Compressor: None
Frame size: 1280h 720v (1.000)
Frame rate: 29,97 frames/second
Pixel Aspect Ratio: Square Pixels (1.0)
Color depth: Millions of colors
Quality: 100 (out of 100)
Fields: Lower Field First
Is that normal? Or can I get the size down since if I was to make a 10min movie the size
would be just rediculous...(I know you warned about uncompressed size but give me a break,
its fifteen seconds ffs?! )
2. When saving/exporting in uncompressed, its still takes some time to do that.
I thought (I'm sure I'm wrong) that saving it without actually rendering it would just
dump the file do disk? But perhaps that is just what it does and I need faster CPU/HDD?
In Premiere it looks like its rendering anyway and I think you said that is not needed?
3. The 1.5GB, 15 sec file took about 15 minutes to encode with 'The Tool' using a
P4, 3GHz computer. The disk that has teh org file and output file is a Seagate SATA I, 7,2k rpm.
Should I upgrade for better speeds (you may laugh) or is there another way to get some
more performance out of the old hack?
4. The 1.5GB file comes out at 5MB after encoding so DAMN that is one effective format!
Thanks and thanks again for upcoming questions!
Cheers,
Lowa
edit: because I cant spell
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Gauss Belloid
Prison Break Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.17 17:08:00 -
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I exported from Vegas before compressing "for real" (with the Auto-Encoder) using the Huff codec. Couldnt really see any difference in quality compared to the source but the filesize compared to uncompressed AVI is big - about 2-3 times smaller I think.
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INZi
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.17 18:03:00 -
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lowa. i think that fraps uses somekind of compression in it's files. plus there's no audio included in those files. when u grab em into adobe and export em to uncompressed u export uncompressed video which results in the big files. so you are not compressing allready compressed data.
and thanks for the answer DS. sounds good
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.17 18:40:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 17/06/2007 18:40:56
Originally by: Lowa
1. 207MB .avi file (1280x720, 15 seconds long) straight from FRAPS becomes 1.5GB when
exporting from Premiere with No compression, settings look like this:
Export
Video only
Entire Sequence
Filetype
Microsoft AVI
Video Settings
Compressor: None
Frame size: 1280h 720v (1.000)
Frame rate: 29,97 frames/second
Pixel Aspect Ratio: Square Pixels (1.0)
Color depth: Millions of colors
Quality: 100 (out of 100)
Fields: Lower Field First
Is that normal? Or can I get the size down since if I was to make a 10min movie the size
would be just rediculous...(I know you warned about uncompressed size but give me a break,
its fifteen seconds ffs?! )
Its normal, because FRAPS is not using a lossless codec! FRAPS files are definitely not uncompressed, and use a somewhat lossy compressor that lowers the file size by about 7-8 times. This allows it to write in real-time to the hard disk even for large videos. Visually though the result is almost 100% lossless so you don't notice the difference.
When you save from Premiere, I suggest you use HuffYUV or Lagarith codec; they're a lot smaller! HuffYUV gets about 2-3 times compression, Lagarith 3-4 (note that Lagarith can't be played back in real-time, HuffYUV can).
Originally by: Lowa
2. When saving/exporting in uncompressed, its still takes some time to do that.
I thought (I'm sure I'm wrong) that saving it without actually rendering it would just
dump the file do disk? But perhaps that is just what it does and I need faster CPU/HDD?
In Premiere it looks like its rendering anyway and I think you said that is not needed?
Its mostly because an uncompressed file is huge, and your hard drive's speed is limited.
Originally by: Lowa
3. The 1.5GB, 15 sec file took about 15 minutes to encode with 'The Tool' using a
P4, 3GHz computer. The disk that has teh org file and output file is a Seagate SATA I, 7,2k rpm.
Should I upgrade for better speeds (you may laugh) or is there another way to get some
more performance out of the old hack?
That's not an issue with the disk; the time to read the file off the disk with that drive is around 50 seconds, so the bottleneck is the CPU. Try not encoding on Low Speed mode! The AutoEncoder makes great use of multiple cores so if you have a dual core system it will easily double the performance or more.
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Lowa
Gallente
North Star Networks
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.06.17 19:32:00 -
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Thanks mate, I'll give it a go and see what comes out.
I've spent a couple of hours going through all my fraps today just to see
what I got and name the good stuff. I didnt realize how much I had.
/Lowa
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.17 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lowa
Thanks mate, I'll give it a go and see what comes out.
I've spent a couple of hours going through all my fraps today just to see
what I got and name the good stuff. I didnt realize how much I had.
/Lowa
Also note that you should use "Progressive scan (no fields)" in Premiere, not "lower field first."
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Lowa
Gallente
North Star Networks
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.06.17 20:23:00 -
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HA! Talk about proactive answering, was on my list of questions to come! :)
/Lowa
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Imperius Blackheart
Caldari
Trinity Nova
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.18 03:13:00 -
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Edited by: Imperius Blackheart on 18/06/2007 03:11:59
Working on my first EVE video atm, and I have to say I love this tool, very useful, fraps video bloat is really scary. (they really need to choose a better codec)
"How long was the fight"
"20 mins"
"WTFBBQEXTERNALHARDDRIVEFULLNESS"
Really helping me keep down the amount of external drive swaps I am having to do :D
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.18 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Imperius Blackheart
Edited by: Imperius Blackheart on 18/06/2007 03:11:59
Working on my first EVE video atm, and I have to say I love this tool, very useful, fraps video bloat is really scary. (they really need to choose a better codec)
"How long was the fight"
"20 mins"
"WTFBBQEXTERNALHARDDRIVEFULLNESS"
Really helping me keep down the amount of external drive swaps I am having to do :D
The reason FRAPS uses such a crappy codec is because it has to record in high quality while using next-to-no CPU. Even so, at high resolutions, it can drastically cut your system's performance.
Any codec that can get considerably better compression with minimal lossiness takes vastly more CPU.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.18 05:12:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/06/2007 05:10:37
The next version, 2.1, is in the pipe. Upcoming improvements include:
a) Redesigned interface for improved usability
b) Resizing feature
c) Autocrop feature
d) Tooltip help for all important features, to avoid having to check the Readme for each one
Now that design is complete, coding for these features will begin early this week and it will hopefully be out by the end of the week.
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Lowa
Gallente
North Star Networks
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.06.18 07:09:00 -
[81]
DS and Capone are both made of Win! \o/
/Lowa
ps. come on, dare to say that you too are doing the "need for speed" initiative...
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Arx Sheep
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.18 18:42:00 -
[82]
Great program, reduced my 5.6 gig file to 200 at high quality:
Only one problem, my short .jpg/.gif moving logos made in Premiere don't play smoothly, they do in the lossless file exported from premiere but in the encoded version it jumps frames. The rest of the movie is smooth.
Any idea?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/06/2007 20:11:18
Originally by: Arx Sheep
Great program, reduced my 5.6 gig file to 200 at high quality:
Only one problem, my short .jpg/.gif moving logos made in Premiere don't play smoothly, they do in the lossless file exported from premiere but in the encoded version it jumps frames. The rest of the movie is smooth.
Any idea?
Check the CPU usage of your video player when playing it back; if it maxes out (50% on a dual-core if you have a singlethreaded codec like FFDShow, or 100% on a single-core), then your processor is too slow.
If the logo animation is very fast or complicated it might require more bitrate than the rest of the video (which, odds are, won't have much motion), and therefore more CPU to decode.
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SirMolly
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Posted - 2007.06.18 21:47:00 -
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I tried to reencode http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/RUSSOBR/Capital_Fleet_Battle_-_hi_res.avi
Strangly the file became bigger using medium speed - high quality settings.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.18 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: SirMolly
I tried to reencode http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/RUSSOBR/Capital_Fleet_Battle_-_hi_res.avi
Strangly the file became bigger using medium speed - high quality settings.
1. You're encoding an already-encoded video that had a lot of artifacting to begin with, which x264 isn't that great at.
2. You're taking a pretty low quality video and re-encoding it on high quality mode... therefore making it larger.
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zero2espect
Amarr
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:49:00 -
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fraps backup?
when it's mkv how do i get it into premier? i thought that you couldn't?
sometimes less is more...zero
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.19 00:10:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 19/06/2007 00:08:50
Originally by: zero2espect
fraps backup?
when it's mkv how do i get it into premier? i thought that you couldn't?
Not sure what Premiere can import; I know it has trouble with all sorts of file and codec types, which has always annoyed me. Last I tried it couldn't even import Xvid!
One trick you can use to import *anything* properly into Premiere is to install the Premiere Avisynth Import plugin, and then create a script (named like read_fraps.avs for example) for each FRAPS file that looks like this:
DirectShowSource("fraps.mkv")
The main reason people want to "back up" FRAPS is that its easy for a serious PvPer to end up with terabytes of FRAPS files. Most people don't want to buy half a dozen hard disks for FRAPS video.
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The CaPoNe
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Posted - 2007.06.19 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: The CaPoNe on 19/06/2007 13:00:44
H.264 AutoEncoder v2.1.0 is ready :). Damn to this 24h Downtime ;).
Just waiting DS come online and test my GUI :)
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.19 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: The CaPoNe
Edited by: The CaPoNe on 19/06/2007 13:00:44
H.264 AutoEncoder v2.1.0 is ready :). Damn to this 24h Downtime ;).
Just waiting DS come online and test my GUI :)
Oh its not ready just yet 
Got some fixes and stuff in a bit, still futzing with it.
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Buhhdust Princess
42nd Armored
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.19 16:32:00 -
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Dark Shikari, We love you! lol, thanks a bunch mate, real nice app :)
-Buhhdust Princess
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