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mellian
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Posted - 2004.01.12 18:58:00 -
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I am getting quite tired only really having mining and doing repeative missions to make good isk?
been looking throught the market to see if i could buy stuff from one place and sell it hire elsewhere like it was sorta suggested i could do in the manual...but then, market can only go up to region wide and only see crappier selling prices vs buying prices.
is there not somewhere i could compare prices between regions, or a site with decent trading tips and suggestions?
-mellian
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.12 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Morkt Drak on 12/01/2004 21:12:35
There are very few excellent traders and those there are are very secretive with their information.
I know of nowhere where you can get quality up too date information on pan-galactic trade. You have to essentially sweat it out and really dig to find good routes, then inevitably compete with existing traders on that route.
On the other hand their are specific NPC items that some players require for mission and which are not immediately availabe to them in certain regions. Players will pay considerably more for thos eitems being nearby than having to go into other regions for them.
Feeding that market requires locating high-activity areas of agent-runners and then findougout what those runners need and which is generally unavailable.
I am, for example, selling consumer electronics to players at 2440 Isk per unit (edit: that is not a typo, two thousand four hundred and forty isk) ... standard buy price is around 230 isk and in my case they are zero cost agent rewards.
There is money to be made in trading, but you wont find it without a few dissapointments along the way.
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Mace Griffin
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Posted - 2004.01.12 22:12:00 -
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Sounds like you are ready for pvp to ensure your "new trade route" remains just that:yours.
If i were you i would attempt to find a decent trade route maybe one in use already and attempt to take out the competition.
Sounds like fun to me as i intend to do just that eventually.
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Black Drake
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Posted - 2004.01.12 23:05:00 -
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I used to do that pre-castor, go up to the highway systems, buy a box full of super conductors and sell them all over my region.
Buying them at 50k up in the highways, everyone else in my region was selling them at 750k+ so i sold mine at 250k, guess whos sold =P
I spent 3M one night buying 60 superconductors, next day I had made 4.5M the next day by selling 18 conductors =P
Of course, with castor, the stock I had left over is just sitting around but they sure as heck paid for themselves =P
Now you cant do that, but with the new tech 2 products out there, trade items will become more necessary. I, myself put out a large buy order for mechanical and electrical parts which was filled by an aspiring trader. One was avaliable in my region, the other was not. The profit for the in-region order was 50isk per unit but if they found a lower price out of region then they could have made a heafty profit.
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mellian
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Posted - 2004.01.13 01:37:00 -
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so pretty much of hours after hours of manual looking.
-melliam
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.13 03:08:00 -
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so pretty much of hours after hours of manual looking.
-melliam
Weeeeeell - yup, its taken me hundreds and thousands of hours of manual looking to find a few choice and profitable areas in which our tiny corporation can be successful.
Hate to say it but "hard work pays".
I will say that I have NEVER gotten a feeling for a good trade option by just sudying the stats and tables. Its always come from putting out a wide range of items for sale as dispirate prices in different areas and then looking at what sells and what doesnt very closely.. then finding out just "why" somebody will buy item X for 10x buy-cost in that particular place.
WE had, literally, millions of isk of unsold seemingly unwanted items out there to find a few tiny good options to chase - and nothing in eve ever stays free of competition for long either.
You wont propser by not putting in effort.
sry.
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mellian
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Posted - 2004.01.13 04:00:00 -
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yes, but this is time i am paying for to play...once the trial and etc end, i don't think i will be renewing it.
-mellian
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.13 04:03:00 -
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yes, but this is time i am paying for to play...once the trial and etc end, i don't think i will be renewing it.
-mellian
/em shrugs
but if you did find an easy-money trade route you would stay?
Kind of defeats the object of having a realistic player bsed economy if everything was easy for everybody... oh heck, isnt that the same as everything was hard for everybody - except without the inflation?
Cant help you sorry.
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Dawen DeRanger
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Posted - 2004.01.13 12:03:00 -
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Trading is by and far the most difficult career path in Eve. But, it is also one of the most satisfying too.
For the most part you spend your time grubbing about here and there making a few isk on each trade. But then you find the odd deal that makes you a ton of money, and that for me is what gives that "Yes!" factor.
It is starting to get a little easier now. Mainly because so many players are running about doing agent missions where they are getting time completion bonuses in the form of sellable trade goods, which can't be ground down. It's still a bit silly with many players trying to put out stupid sell orders where they are advertising goods at 10 times the average buy price.
But I'm sure that there are many sensible players who are realising that by putting stuff up for sale at a realistic price get them cash, what is junk to them off their hands and they don't have to worry about shifting it.
The devs still need to do some work on the market systems yet.
Market prices, and supply and demand is about right, for my taste. But the one thing that makes life realy difficult is that you are limited to Regions and below for getting market info. There's nothing worse then when you are working on the edge of a region and can't get info on the market in the next system because it's in another region. Perhaps it could be added to the agents as another service they provide, where you pay to get a look at market prices in other regions.
On the whole trading does work. But you have to be willing to work at it and not to expect huge returns fast.
If you want to be hurtling about in a battleship like yesterday, then stay away from trading like it has the plague.
But if you enjoy just plodding about and are not worried about racing up the skills/isk/power ladder, then give it a go
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sloop
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Posted - 2004.01.13 13:39:00 -
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i ran a trade corp - it was great - trading was great. I made 500 mill with a lot of hard work and dedicated study. buying and selling at inflated prices to other players isnt trading.
im talking about building up a network of players and training them on supply and demand prices of every item, getting on voice comms each with 2 accounts and 5 alts and comparing every item in every region til we find a winner.
i used to do 50-500 jumps per day in my indy. I bought a fleet of indys. i was loving this game so much and so were my corp.
I used to get up at 5am so i could sneak past pirates with 50 mill of goods in my cargo. trading in lonetrek at 5am was great fun. pirates go to bed early dont you know.
we pretty much knew what pirates operated in which region and what time they went to bed. we knew every region and system in eve and who hung out where. always just passing through doing our thing - loving this game.
now believe me when i say its gone. trade is removed completely and by the looks of things is not coming back. you can make like 20k isk here and there or rip of trade goods for mission items. you may even be able to trade mins if u cba but trading 'TRADE GOODS' for that is what they are known is fruitless as there is not the supply and demand.
i still read the forums but none of us play eve any more since you took away our beautiful game.
apparently it was too easy to make money through trading. apparently too easy to make too much.
ah well **** off then.
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buzzy
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Posted - 2004.01.13 14:19:00 -
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I started out trading and was able to make at least 100K ish per run in a small firgate within one region - it got enough ISK to get a merlin + some decent skills. It was a lot of hard work and there were no repeat runs - but you got used to scanning the market and got a feel for how it works. The main problem was that the demand volume was too low to make more than c100K and I couldn't afford to tie up capital in sell orders.
I've recently started doing agent kill missions - the stuff droped by the pirates is normally very valuable, so I put it up for sale at a big newbie station at about 40% discount - I'm working on volume. So, a decent mission earns about 30K agent rewards plus another XK in booty - and most times the booty is worth far more than the cash !
So - find what works for you. I'm sure my approach will change again in the near future !
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Trent Cooper
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Posted - 2004.01.14 03:08:00 -
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Here's something that makes it a bit easier.
Select a system thats on the corner of 3 or 4 regions. If you dont know how, look at the map and filter the stars by region. This way you can do a 7 or 8 jump round trip to dock at each region and note the prices. Note a select bunch of commodities, both supply and demand, from the market data. There may even be a faster way of doing this - via the print screen command (but never tried). Once you collect your market serveys for the few regions, return home and have a cup of coffee. Sit back and compare prices. Good trade commodities are ones that are, obviously, buy low sell high. You may also have to sit down with a calculator and see if you have enough collateral to fill your cargo. Sometimes the best trade item is not necessarily the best profit per unit, but the best profit per cargo slot filled. One more tip - always make sure that there is enough demand at your target destination. They may want to pay 10,000isk per unit - making an astounding profit - but check HOW MUCH they are willing to buy. Otherwise you will be stuck with 3/4 of cargohold, looking for a place to sell it off (often a little bit less than what you paid for it).
I'll give you an example of an easy traderoute which seems to be abundant. Tobacco. Compare buy/sells of that within regions, and inter-regions. I've come across tobacco routes within the same solar system which can, potentially, double your collateral. And you can fit quite a lot of tobacco in your hold. As a newbie route its a fairly good start. With an industrial vessel, you can make upwards of 200-300k per run.
Trading is like fishing. every trader has his secret methods and secret spots. They are usually unwillng to reveal them. To reveal them is to attract competition, and reduce your catch. Trading isnt as easy as it is in other games, but if you do your homework it pays off. Its a no-brainer way of making big bucks.
Oh yeah. DONT get shot while trading. You will lose $. stay safe where possible.
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Trent Cooper
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Posted - 2004.01.14 03:15:00 -
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Keep going about your daily business. On your travels every now and again check the markets and write down buy/sell data for a few different commodities. I have about 10 commodities of different nature that i am constantly tracking. I write them down on a sheet of paper stating the prices and location.
After a few days of playing, the little post it notes build up. There you go - comprehensive inter-region market data is already done for you without even working on it. Tabulate it, compare it, whatever. Sooner or later a commodity will take your attention. And its often a smaller route than you expect.
The final way of gathering info is to have friends in different regions. Just hope that they like you. Because it involves sitting down with them all and having a trade meeting. You all go through the buy/sell prices manually. The fastest way of finding the golden trade route. Often, you'll be working together. Once you find the route you'll all meet up and exploit it for mutual profit.
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