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Cpt Archon
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Posted - 2007.06.08 12:22:00 -
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[Hight]
Heavy Missile Launcher II 4x
Assault Missile Launcher I 2x
Nosferatu 1x
Tractor Beam 1x
[Medium]
Shield Recharger II 1x
Large Shield Extender II 1x
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II 1x
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II 1x
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II 1x
Invulnerability Field II 1x
[Small]
Shield Power Relay II 3x
Ballistic Control System II 1x
[Rigs]
Core Defence Field Purger II 3x
Max Shield Regen: 108.25
Shield EM: 58.42% (without Invu Field)
Shield Explo: 74,8% (without Invu Field)
Shield Kinetic: 75,05% (without Invu Field)
Shield Thermal: 66,73% (without Invu Field)
I dont know much about Eve, but what do you think about the Shield options?  Is regen and resis ok? And do you think i can survive in lvl 4 Missions? 
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anillation
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Posted - 2007.06.08 12:32:00 -
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take out the shield recharger II & the invulnerability field. put in 2x large shield extender II's. go passive on the drake.
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Cpt Archon
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Posted - 2007.06.08 13:19:00 -
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hmmm now i have a way better regen
Max Shield Regen: 151.69
but less resis
Shield EM: 43.75%
Shield Explo: 64.0%
Shield Kinetic: 66,25%
Shield Thermal: 55.0%
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Kalazar
Amarr
Veto. Academy
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.08 13:23:00 -
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How much shield HP do you now have?
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CherylAnne
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Posted - 2007.06.08 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: CherylAnne on 08/06/2007 14:33:31
With anillation's suggestion you will have enough regen and shield hp to take on any level 4 mission, but you will need to use the remaining 3 mids to focus on the mission rats primary and secondary damage types. eg. 2x explosive 1x kinetic vs. angels.
(personally I use 2 LSE and 4 resist mods, both work)
My other suggestions:
- drop the nos
- use all heavy launchers (its hard enough to break a BS tank in a drake as it is, your setup will have even more trouble)
- consider using 1 or 2 active hardeners. test to see how many u can support indefintely with your gimped recharge. (with 2 SPRs you can still support 3-4 active hardners)
- consider a drone link augmenter instead of the tractor beam
- consider dropping an SPR for another BCS when you are more confortable running the missions.
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2007.06.08 14:41:00 -
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Forget about Drake, Drake to be nerfed in next patch. Switch to Myrm, I-win-button.
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Hint 1: Train for Mega, not for Rokh
Hint 2: Abaddon is uber fleet BS.
R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven>
R.I.P. <Eagle>
R.I.P. <ECM>
R.I.P. <Drake>
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Pottsey
Gallente
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.08 14:47:00 -
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"Forget about Drake, Drake to be nerfed in next patch. Switch to Myrm,"
Its not a Drake nerf is a BC nerf and the nerf hurts the Myrm just as much if not more so then the Drake.
Passive shield tanking guide click here |
CherylAnne
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Posted - 2007.06.08 15:11:00 -
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The nerf is not enough to prevent the Drake from doing level 4 missions with the right build.
And though the nerf is equal to that of the Myrm, it only actually effects Pottsey and the 10 other guys that actually use a passive shield tank on it.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.08 15:36:00 -
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It's not only a BC shield regen nerf (+12% recharge time == -10.7% recharge rate), but it's also a Shield Power Relay nerf... instead of negligible tf now, they'll get a base 20tf for T1 and 22tf for T2 (less after skills, but still).
If your SPR-fit was tight on CPU, it's about to become MUCH tighter, especially on ships "abusing" the usually armor-tanking lowslots with a full rack of them ("whoops, what the heck, where did those 116tf go" would say the dominix pilot, for instance).
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New char creation guide | Module/Rig stacknerfing explained |
CherylAnne
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Posted - 2007.06.08 15:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Akita T
It's not only a BC shield regen nerf (+12% recharge time == -10.7% recharge rate), but it's also a Shield Power Relay nerf... instead of negligible tf now, they'll get a base 20tf for T1 and 22tf for T2 (less after skills, but still).
If your SPR-fit was tight on CPU, it's about to become MUCH tighter, especially on ships "abusing" the usually armor-tanking lowslots with a full rack of them ("whoops, what the heck, where did those 116tf go" would say the dominix pilot, for instance).
 I did not know that!
I only use 2 on my build, but my cpu was already tight.
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Pottsey
Gallente
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 08/06/2007 16:16:54
I donÆt really see the 22tf as a problem on battleships only the smaller frigs will struggle. 116tf is no problem for a dominix pilot. Does that mean they finely fixed named relays so they are better then T1?
Passive shield tanking guide click here |
Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.08 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: anillation
take out the shield recharger II & the invulnerability field. put in 2x large shield extender II's. go passive on the drake.
Stick with the active tank. When the change comes to the regen rates, you can laugh at tools like this who can't even spell their own names properly, while still wtfpwning everything you could before.
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LMAAAOOOO
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Posted - 2007.06.08 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: anillation
take out the shield recharger II & the invulnerability field. put in 2x large shield extender II's. go passive on the drake.
Stick with the active tank. When the change comes to the regen rates, you can laugh at tools like this who can't even spell their own names properly, while still wtfpwning everything you could before.
Rofl, passive tanking a drake will still be FAR more effective than active tanking a drake after the nerf.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.08 18:00:00 -
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Both right and wrong.
With equal amounts of ISK invested, passive Drake tanks a lot better.
However, you can always throw a lot of money at an active tank fit to get an INSANE tank compared to a standard, full T2 one.
Sadly, there are no officer shield rechargers, no officer SPRs, no officer extenders, no bonus to shield amount/recharge on officer PDUs, there's nothing equivalent to the Crystal implant set that would work for maxshield instead of shieldboost amount... well, you get the idea.
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New char creation guide | Module/Rig stacknerfing explained |
Zixxa
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Posted - 2007.06.08 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
"Forget about Drake, Drake to be nerfed in next patch. Switch to Myrm,"
Its not a Drake nerf is a BC nerf and the nerf hurts the Myrm just as much if not more so then the Drake.
It is ONLY Drake nerf. Myrm is well-known i-win-button without passive tank. Drake is useless without passive tank.
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Hint 1: Train for Mega, not for Rokh
Hint 2: Abaddon is uber fleet BS.
R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven>
R.I.P. <Eagle>
R.I.P. <ECM>
R.I.P. <Drake>
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Phish1
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 18:12:00 -
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i think its crap, what do you think?
oooooh WAIIIIIT, you wanted improvements?
why didnt you read the posts of someone who has a clue instead of being a moron here
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LMAAAOOOO
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Posted - 2007.06.08 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: LMAAAOOOO on 08/06/2007 18:13:20
Originally by: Zixxa
Originally by: Pottsey
"Forget about Drake, Drake to be nerfed in next patch. Switch to Myrm,"
Its not a Drake nerf is a BC nerf and the nerf hurts the Myrm just as much if not more so then the Drake.
It is ONLY Drake nerf. Myrm is well-known i-win-button without passive tank. Drake is useless without passive tank.
I think Pottsey meant that the passive Myrm will be nerfed as hard as the Drake, but your point is valid
Havn't touched the drake in a while as the passive myrmiddon completley outclass it
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2007.06.08 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: CherylAnne
The nerf is not enough to prevent the Drake from doing level 4 missions with the right build.
Who cares about your agent carebearing? Get Raven and run lvl 4 much faster than on stupid Drake.
Originally by: CherylAnne
And though the nerf is equal to that of the Myrm,
Myrm may be tanked on armour! And valid tank for PvP Myrm is armour tank. Who cares too much about passive tanking Myrm? Aha, imperial carebears care...
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Hint 1: Train for Mega, not for Rokh
Hint 2: Abaddon is uber fleet BS.
R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven>
R.I.P. <Eagle>
R.I.P. <ECM>
R.I.P. <Drake>
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Pottsey
Gallente
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.08 18:33:00 -
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ôIt is ONLY Drake nerf. Myrm is well-known i-win-button without passive tank. Drake is useless without passive tank.ö
The Myrm has a stronger tank as a passive tank then active amour so it is a nerf.
The Drake is made as a active shield tank like all Caldari BCÆs so its not useless due to the change as it can always fall back to active shield tanking. The nerf is also worse then most think as itÆs not just the recharge nerf but extra 19ish to CPU per SPR module which hurt Gallente ships more then Caldari.
ôWho cares about your agent carebearing? Get Raven and run lvl 4 much faster than on stupid Drake.ö
You know thereÆs far more to PvE then just missions. Who cares about easy lvl 4 missions or PvP if you want a challenge try soloing certain expeditions. It makes PvP look easy and its far more fun and challenging then lvl 4 missions.
Passive shield tanking guide click here |
Larkonis Trassler
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.08 19:54:00 -
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TBFH guys this 'nerf' reduces your tanking effectiveness by what? 10? 12%? Drake has a ridiculous passive tank (I fly Drakes BTW). Stop complaining about it. So you won't be able to AFK every level 4 in existance? OH NOES!!!
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Pottsey
Gallente
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.08 19:55:00 -
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ôTBFH guys this 'nerf' reduces your tanking effectiveness by what? 10? 12%? Drake has a ridiculous passive tankcö
There are 2 nerfs now. One nerf is 10% the other one can be much worse.
Passive shield tanking guide click here |
Kuno Hida
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Posted - 2007.06.08 20:32:00 -
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On the build: Looks like you're running upper 70% resists. it'll run level 4 missions just fine. If you're missioning, shell out for the faction resistance amps and that will compensate for the upcoming stalking nerf.
On the nerf:
Pottsey is 100% correct that this is a non-issue. The change in the regen is not significant enough to be deeply concerned with. If you're tanking 129 at peak, 15% isn't that significant a change unless you're inattentive.
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Pottsey
Gallente
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.08 20:56:00 -
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The regen change isnt bad but SPR use up far more CPU now and some people will not be able to fit them. The drop from regen and not using SPRÆs might hurt. I say might as itÆs had zero impact on the Gallente ships I fly. But I gather Caldari ships are tighter on CPU. Is it a problem? Can people fit the normal Caldari setups with the new CPU?
Passive shield tanking guide click here |
Zixxa
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Posted - 2007.06.08 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
ôIt is ONLY Drake nerf. Myrm is well-known i-win-button without passive tank. Drake is useless without passive tank.ö
The Myrm has a stronger tank as a passive tank then active amour so it is a nerf.
Escpecially for agentrunners(like you): PvP Myrm cannot have strong passive tank. Period.
Originally by: Pottsey
The Drake is made as a active shield tank like all Caldari BCÆs so its not useless due to the change as it can always fall back to active shield tanking. The nerf is also worse then most think as itÆs not just the recharge nerf but extra 19ish to CPU per SPR module which hurt Gallente ships more then Caldari.
Especially for agentrunners(like you): PvP Gallente ships do not use SPR. Period.
Originally by: Pottsey
You know thereÆs far more to PvE then just missions. Who cares about easy lvl 4 missions or PvP if you want a challenge try soloing certain expeditions. It makes PvP look easy and its far more fun and challenging then lvl 4 missions.
Especially for ignoramus. There is absolutely NO challenge in PvE.
Want some challenge? Bring your coward ass to BoBs frontline on South. And you will feel the pain, child.
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Hint 1: Train for Mega, not for Rokh
Hint 2: Abaddon is uber fleet BS.
R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven>
R.I.P. <Eagle>
R.I.P. <ECM>
R.I.P. <Drake>
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Pottsey
Gallente
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.09 11:03:00 -
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ôEscpecially for agentrunners(like you): PvP Myrm cannot have strong passive tank. Period.ö
I have proven lots of times in the past that it can have a PvP setup and a strong tank. YouÆre wrong.
There more to PvE then just agent runners. ThereÆs more to Eve then just PvP.
ôEspecially for ignoramus. There is absolutely NO challenge in PvE.ö
I bet you never tried to solo the expeditions. People like you tend to do expeditions like Haunted Yard and die in about 5 seconds as they think its just like an easy lvl 4 mission. You should try one like http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5396/serpvm7.png then come back and say PvE is easy and no challenge.
Expeditions bring in re-enforcements, use drones to heal each other, multiple traps like buildings that explode and damage you, various gas clouds that damage your ship lots of things you donÆt see in PvP and they deal silly amounts of DPS in a matter of seconds.
ôWant some challenge? Bring your coward ass to BoBs frontline on South. And you will feel the pain, child.ö &
ôEspecially for agentrunners(like you): PvP Gallente ships do not use SPR. Period.ö
Funny you should say that. I happen to do that with a Gallente passive tank ships, guess youÆre wrong again. WhatÆs with all the periods as well?
Passive shield tanking guide click here |
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