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Maior Interfeci
Caldari
NovaeDyne Industries
Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2007.06.09 18:28:00 -
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Today while most of my Corp slept. A thief that we called friend was busy cleaning out the corp hangers as well our subsidiaries hangers of everything that was within. Shanni then tried to use an alt in our subsidiary to dismantle our hisec POS and keep that as well. Our executive officer logged on and was trying to limit the damage being done but was severely hampered by lag we believed in part created by CCP's current database problems. Unfortunately the damage is done, we are petitioning CCP to see if they can assist us in some way, since if the DB problems were not present, our XO might have been able to save more if not everything. We believe the thief choose to strike today due to these problems. It is sad that thievary seems to be so prevelant these days in New-Eden.
Take this as awarning to all you other corps/alliances out there. Do not hire this corp thief.
Maior Interfeci
CEO, NovaeDyne Industries.
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zwerg
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.06.09 18:33:00 -
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your fault haha!!!!
how much you lost?
... eve's youngest piwat Yarrrr :)
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Semai
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Posted - 2007.06.09 19:15:00 -
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 Originally by: zwerg
how much you lost?
Hmm, if you have a look here , that might answer your question.
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.09 19:40:00 -
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My god. I sincerley hope he was with ur corp for a long time to get access to such bpos. Corp theives i'm not particularly fond of but it still surprises me how easily ppl can convince ppl to trust them.
DE
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Terra Mauter
Sybrite Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.09 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
My god. I sincerley hope he was with ur corp for a long time to get access to such bpos. Corp theives i'm not particularly fond of but it still surprises me how easily ppl can convince ppl to trust them.
DE
Unfortunately, a victim of this myself some people are incredible good at "social manipulation" (think thats what you call it)
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Antithysis
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.09 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Terra Mauter
Unfortunately, a victim of this myself some people are incredible good at "social manipulation" (think thats what you call it)
The term would be Social Engineering. But yea, it sucks when a long time friend (at least I'd assume that's what this person was. Giving BPO access to a stranger is kinda  ) backstabs you like this.
Best of luck in recouping your losses.
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.06.09 21:17:00 -
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Lockdown votes are your friend.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.09 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
Lockdown votes are your friend.
QFT.
Social engineering: because there's no patch for human stupidity (T-shirt I'm wearing right now  )
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zwerg
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.06.09 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Semai
Originally by: zwerg
how much you lost?
Hmm, if you have a look here , that might answer your question.
shall i?
yeah i do: h a h a
... eve's youngest piwat Yarrrr :)
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Bienurdau Hywoaf
Minmatar
Matari Holo News Network
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Posted - 2007.06.10 07:32:00 -
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It is unlikely they'll intervene with a petition unless some exploit was used in the theft. I realize the massive up and down of the servers over the hours before the timing of the theft may have assisted the theft and that is unfortunate.
It is sad that some folks seem to think that the only way they can have fun is to take everything someone else built away.
It is even sadder that the game is made to favor these individuals.
There is no way to make a corp in EVE without trusting someone else.
It's the sad nature of EVE that those who show friendship, and give their trust are often abused by elements of the game.
I am hopeful that you will find a way to recover. Know that you are the better person though.
If he's still in your corp, then you can always pod him :). Other than that once you get back on your feet you can offer a bounty on his head....
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Niivvy
Caldari
imperial miners protection guild
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Posted - 2007.06.10 09:54:00 -
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Edited by: Niivvy on 10/06/2007 09:53:35
Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf
Other than that once you get back on your feet you can offer a bounty on his head....
yea great idea give him more isk
what was dark shikari saying about no patch for human stupidity?
i loled at this
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Setana Manoro
Gallente
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.10 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
My god. I sincerley hope he was with ur corp for a long time to get access to such bpos. Corp theives i'm not particularly fond of but it still surprises me how easily ppl can convince ppl to trust them.
DE
At this point, he has been in the corp for 3 months and 11 days - i say "has" because he is still in the corp.
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Izo Azlion
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.10 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: zwerg
your fault haha!!!!
how much you lost?
Child.
To the OP: Sorry to hear. Pirates we may be, but we frown very much on corp theft.
Sadly that Character will probably be sold/deleted to save any retribution.
Izo Azlion.
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.10 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Setana Manoro
Originally by: DarkElf
My god. I sincerley hope he was with ur corp for a long time to get access to such bpos. Corp theives i'm not particularly fond of but it still surprises me how easily ppl can convince ppl to trust them.
DE
At this point, he has been in the corp for 3 months and 11 days - i say "has" because he is still in the corp.
you haven't booted him yet? why would u want someone like that associated with ur corp?
DE
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Daeva Vios
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Posted - 2007.06.10 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf
*Stuff*
This kind of carebear thinking is why the game is moving steadily away from the PVP we know and love and into a realm filled with rainbows, butterflies, and talking bunnies.
EVE is about getting ahead however you can. The game is NOT designed to enable thieves, it IS designed to allow them to do what they do best. There were ways to prevent this from happening, and the directors/CEO of this corporation made a conscious choice not to do so. It is their fault they opened themselves up to theft.
This is a subject covered all the time in the New Players forum. They could have avoided this situation entirely by adhering to the most basic tenet of this game: Watch your ass.
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zwerg
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.06.10 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Izo Azlion
Originally by: zwerg
your fault haha!!!!
how much you lost?
Child.
To the OP: Sorry to hear. Pirates we may be, but we frown very much on corp theft.
Sadly that Character will probably be sold/deleted to save any retribution.
exactly dude. youre so right, if you would have 1 brain cell, then youd start think why i could have posted that, im still rofling btw
... eve's youngest piwat Yarrrr :)
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.10 15:44:00 -
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Looks like a lot if not all of it has sold.
He made a pretty ISK off you suckers, that's for sure.
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
D-L
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Posted - 2007.06.10 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 10/06/2007 16:01:41
Originally by: DarkElf
Originally by: Setana Manoro
Originally by: DarkElf
My god. I sincerley hope he was with ur corp for a long time to get access to such bpos. Corp theives i'm not particularly fond of but it still surprises me how easily ppl can convince ppl to trust them.
DE
At this point, he has been in the corp for 3 months and 11 days - i say "has" because he is still in the corp.
you haven't booted him yet? why would u want someone like that associated with ur corp?
DE
Probebly the 24 hour timer between removing roles and "Kick". We had an issue with a corp thief once "though he only had acess to our cheap-o givaway stuff", the fact that he had 24 hours to "brag" and causing trouble "yelling intel on local, saying we were noobs ect" was far worse then the theft itself :-/.
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Maior Interfeci
Caldari
NovaeDyne Industries
Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2007.06.11 11:51:00 -
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This is correct, role removal takes 24 hours. It was considered to keep adding roles to keep them in the corp for free podding. But this would not have acheaved bringing back the stolen goods. In the end it was decided to remove them from the corp as soon as possible.
While trusting anyone in Eve is a risk it is also a risk that has to be taken to have a corp move forward unless you have so much free time to do everything on your own. My (costly) error was obviously entrusting this person too soon, a mistake I have learned from.
Interestingly enough this person stated that they were a pirate, which is odd because how I have always known piracy is that there are risks involved with the actions. Thievery like this has no risks (or very low ones) in comparison to ransoming a victim. I compared the actions of this "pirate" to those of a MacroMiner, in where the risk is minimal if non exsistant and the reward is great in both instances. In both senerios in my opinion they are cheaters, as there is no counterbalance to their actions.
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.11 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Maior Interfeci
This is correct, role removal takes 24 hours. It was considered to keep adding roles to keep them in the corp for free podding. But this would not have acheaved bringing back the stolen goods. In the end it was decided to remove them from the corp as soon as possible.
It would also have been an petitionable offence if you did btw.
And yeah corp theivery has no risks at all really. and also no consequences because they can quite easily replace the character with a different one.
DE
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Maior Interfeci
Caldari
NovaeDyne Industries
Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2007.06.11 11:59:00 -
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That was another deciding factor as well, best not to add more insult to the injury by having GM's step through and remove him on their own.
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Sunny Mooninite
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.11 13:17:00 -
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So your thief was only in the corp about 3 months you say?
Hmm. Are you recruiting?
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Alha Qmar
Caldari
Xenon Logistics
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Posted - 2007.06.11 15:41:00 -
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There is guides enough around to prevent corp theft, dont understand why you dont kept bpo acces only for yourself and give bpc's of them to your members instead of allowing them to have the bpo's.
Hope you learned a valuable lesson today. In real life you also dont give your credit card number to your best friend.
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Daeva Vios
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Posted - 2007.06.11 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Alha Qmar
In real life you also dont give your credit card number to your best friend.
The difference is that, ideally, you know where your best friend lives, his/her name, his/her description, where he/she would go if he/she abruptly left...etc.
Still, the point is a good one. I hate to sound callous about this, but you were a sucker and you got what you deserved for being too trusting. Naming the corp thief is all well and good, but in the end they can delete this alt and make a new one to do it all over again, something they've likely done before and will probably do again.
You have to watch your own back in this game, because no one else is going to do it for you. The burden of responsibility is on you
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Arvald
Caldari
Brotherhood Of Metal
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Posted - 2007.06.12 07:58:00 -
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Edited by: Arvald on 12/06/2007 07:59:57
Edited by: Arvald on 12/06/2007 07:57:37
Originally by: Maior Interfeci
Today while most of my Corp slept. A thief that we called friend was busy cleaning out the corp hangers as well our subsidiaries hangers of everything that was within. Shanni then tried to use an alt in our subsidiary to dismantle our hisec POS and keep that as well. Our executive officer logged on and was trying to limit the damage being done but was severely hampered by lag we believed in part created by CCP's current database problems. Unfortunately the damage is done, we are petitioning CCP to see if they can assist us in some way, since if the DB problems were not present, our XO might have been able to save more if not everything. We believe the thief choose to strike today due to these problems. It is sad that thievary seems to be so prevelant these days in New-Eden.
Take this as awarning to all you other corps/alliances out there. Do not hire this corp thief.
Maior Interfeci
CEO, NovaeDyne Industries.
well what can i say except for you got owned (ive been waiting for ever for a chance to use tha tlink =D)
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xxhellxx
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Posted - 2007.06.12 11:20:00 -
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I known what your going trough man, i may be slightley new to eve, but i know to well what happens with corp theives.
I used to play another game and have a person steal 1000 gold from our clans main chest. (which is quite alot-equivilent to around 2 bill in eve).
But i agree with the person who stated just bounty them. Because you can just get your revenge right there. Even if it does get his isk, he will be hunted down.
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max bygraves
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Posted - 2007.06.12 11:25:00 -
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unlucky lads
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Great Artista
Purple Cloud
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Posted - 2007.06.12 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: zwerg
Originally by: Izo Azlion
Originally by: zwerg
Trolling
A point
exactly dude. youre so right, if you would have 1 brain cell, then youd start think why i could have posted that, im still rofling btw
M'kay, I seriously dont get it... 
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Lena Crews
Minmatar
NovaeDyne Industries
Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2007.06.12 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: xxhellxx
I known what your going trough man, i may be slightley new to eve, but i know to well what happens with corp theives.
I used to play another game and have a person steal 1000 gold from our clans main chest. (which is quite alot-equivilent to around 2 bill in eve).
But i agree with the person who stated just bounty them. Because you can just get your revenge right there. Even if it does get his isk, he will be hunted down.
Or he'll clone jump to a clone with no implants, use an alt to pod himself and collect the bounty himself.
Bounties accomplish nothing in eve except to transfer funds to the character with the bounty.
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.12 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Great Artista
Originally by: zwerg
Originally by: Izo Azlion
Originally by: zwerg
Trolling
A point
exactly dude. youre so right, if you would have 1 brain cell, then youd start think why i could have posted that, im still rofling btw
M'kay, I seriously dont get it...
i'm wondering if when zwerg said he was leaving that he actually did and sold his character. the new zwerg sounds kinda different to the old one.
DE
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