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Odet
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.06.10 01:18:00 -
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Eve lacks UI customization.
I know this is not a popular reference, but yes I like the fact that in WOW, you can modify your UI completely arrange the UI to your needs and taste.
Would be nice to have a bit of ability to do the same for Eve.
I know this has been talked about before, but any word from "The Man"?
Anyone maybe have a link to some dev statements on this?
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Jaggeh
Furious Angels
Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2007.06.10 01:21:00 -
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even Ultima online has a customizable UI (although i think i liked tribes 1's the best)
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.10 01:22:00 -
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I just wish we could bind hotkeys for like everything, but really an xml based UI like WoW's would be much better. Eve's UI uses way too much computer resources for how poor it looks and how little information is actually displayed. A complete re-write is in order soon.
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Morhon
Amarr
Aegis Starship Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.06.10 01:23:00 -
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I haven't played wow but I agree. I would like to be able to move the UI so it's not in the middle of the screen. not gonna happen I suspect but I agree.
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Odet
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.06.10 01:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
I just wish we could bind hotkeys for like everything, but really an xml based UI like WoW's would be much better. Eve's UI uses way too much computer resources for how poor it looks and how little information is actually displayed. A complete re-write is in order soon.
Yeah thats another big think the hotkeys.... god I hate them more then lag.
I like really weird hotkeys so being able to change everysingle one of those would make me happier then a priest at a daycare.
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Junior Me
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Posted - 2007.06.10 01:35:00 -
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/Signed
You'd think something like this would already be an option hehe..
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Tareen Kashaar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.06.10 01:47:00 -
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Yes PLEASE.
Every action that requires the mouse should have a keyboard shortcut or combination of keystrokes assigned to it. Mouse is for easy access - keyboard is for fast access.
This UI is so 1990, and I've said that a dozen times already.
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Gojyu
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Posted - 2007.06.10 01:50:00 -
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I agree entirely, the eve ui is horrible, I've gotten used to it, but it's still horrible. Allow us totally free bindings and give us some xml to play with. I'd settle with being able to change my clock
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Cpt Fina
Insult to Injury
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Posted - 2007.06.10 02:55:00 -
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Wouldn't more hotkeys make it easier to make macroprograms?
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Gojyu
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Posted - 2007.06.10 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Fina
Wouldn't more hotkeys make it easier to make macroprograms?
No, it's easy enough to make macro programs already. It's already fairly trivial to make a macro program move the mouse to a specified section of the screen, having a hotkey do it isn't that much different
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Enigo Montoya
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Posted - 2007.06.10 19:42:00 -
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/Signed 4 million times over!
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Wild Rho
Amarr
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.06.10 19:47:00 -
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Was stated a while ago that the UI is getting a full work over as it's based off code that is some 7 years old now and admitted to be not so great to start with.
Will link the post if I can find the ruddy thing.
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Kasilof
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Posted - 2007.06.10 20:44:00 -
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/signed
Worst UI ever. Game needs less mousing and more hot keys. Also let me move the over view, target boxes to where I want them. I hate where they are.
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jongalt
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Posted - 2007.06.10 21:24:00 -
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it was my understanding the "workover" for the UI was to make it less memory intensive and "more responsive", rather than "easier to use", "aesthetically pleasing", or even "customizable".
i would very much like to customize the interface. currently, it is functional in the most primitive way.
the eve-online interface is like MS-Dos 3.3, to WoW's Apple IIgS GUI...
im just sayin...
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Xerpex
Priests of Pessismism
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Posted - 2007.06.10 22:39:00 -
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I just wish the devs would say something about UI moddability... (is that even a word?)
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Odet
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.06.10 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: jongalt
it was my understanding the "workover" for the UI was to make it less memory intensive and "more responsive", rather than "easier to use", "aesthetically pleasing", or even "customizable".
i would very much like to customize the interface. currently, it is functional in the most primitive way.
the eve-online interface is like MS-Dos 3.3, to WoW's Apple IIgS GUI...
im just sayin...
-0.
I just hope they make it efficient and add total customization. Not just like a few more things, I mean like total control like in wow.
In wow you can change the appearance, position, shape, size, hotkeys, absolutely everything.
would be teh pwn if we had that for eve.
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Miriyana
Gallente
Galactic Savings and Investments
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Posted - 2007.06.10 23:00:00 -
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Especially with this heat comming out the interface just got more complicated. I wish CCP said yes ;_;
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Escobar Noreaga
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.06.11 01:09:00 -
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one thing i totally miss, was the amazing customization of Everquests UI, differant skins/themes/positioning really was far and above my favorite part of that gameplay.
would give some of those creative eve players something to sink they're teeth into.
plus i really wish i could have a minimal UI interface for pvp and something with more fat for when i do missions/marketplay etc.
plus moving around the UI to "where" i want them would make a world of differance.
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Dannek
Llama F5 and Associates
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Posted - 2007.06.11 01:28:00 -
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Couldn't agree more. Especially in EVE a customizable, and programmable Interface would make the game more enjoyable for absolutely everyone involved.
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Linnera
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Posted - 2007.06.11 01:38:00 -
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Dear CCP,
please do everything for us
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.11 02:14:00 -
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I wouldn't want much customisation, but one thing would peek me interest very much.
Ability to set the sidebar(with the character, market, etc tabs), to bottom, left, rght or top of screen.
At the top or bottom it wouldn't interfere so much with the locked target icons moving about the screen.
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
tehsuxOr
Setenta Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.11 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Linnera
Dear CCP,
please do everything for us
you win the most pointless post of the day award, gtz.
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Alfred Spangler
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Posted - 2007.06.11 18:47:00 -
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/signed
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.11 18:56:00 -
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It's good as it is tbh.
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l3lind Man
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.11 19:06:00 -
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shortcuts is a definite yes from me.. *looks at 14 unused g keys*
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William Alex
Viscosity
Dark Synergy
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Posted - 2007.06.11 19:18:00 -
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I'd pay in game isk for a little UI flexability ;D
Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.
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Herculite
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.11 19:23:00 -
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While I would love things like hotkeys for my drones, UI customization leads to very easy botting and bot programing. I'd rather keep the bots to simple, weak programs than turn eve into a script kiddie heaven.
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Treg Valar
Minmatar
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.11 20:05:00 -
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Yes, to more hotkeys. No, to being able to change the look of the UI.
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Odet
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.06.11 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Herculite
While I would love things like hotkeys for my drones, UI customization leads to very easy botting and bot programing. I'd rather keep the bots to simple, weak programs than turn eve into a script kiddie heaven.
That's actually something I've forgotten about, the drone UI is terrible as it is. Some hotkeys could be usefull.
As far as macros kiddies go, macros wouldn't be easier or more difficult if a change was to take place. You can make a macro just as easily with or without a hotkey.
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Alora Venoda
Caldari
GalTech
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Posted - 2007.06.11 22:32:00 -
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wish list for hotkeys:
1. switching selected target
maybe the number keys, since modules are F-keys
or even just rotating through them
2. giving drone commands
probably some key to tell ALL your drones to enguage current target, or to have ALL your drones return
3. the commands to "approach", "orbit", "warp", "jump", etc
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Lazal Nahn
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Posted - 2007.06.11 23:45:00 -
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Absolutely not!
I dont want another WOW like "if you dont have that UI mod you cant join in that and that"
I dont want UI mods which simplify the gameplay so much they border on exploits.
More customization? yes!
Moddable UI? No way!
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Mosic
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Posted - 2007.06.11 23:46:00 -
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This is one of my bigger gripes as well. Computers were invented so we wouldn't have to do the same small steps over and over, and in this case, mousing is one of them.
For those worried about botting - it would be no harder to write a program/script that calls the OS's sendInput() functions than would be to have it use a hotkey. ( See HERE ) There's no reason to inconvenience all the players to just add one or two more steps to the rare loser's bot.
I don't see any reason to not allow the whole thing to be modifiable, as in Wow and others, (EQ?). If you like the default interface, keep it! If you don't you can change it! I don't see anything wrong with that. You're paying $$ to play the game, then you should be able to customize it the way you want.
I'm not saying CCP should drop everything and get right on it, but arguing against it seems Luddite.
In any case... my .02
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Anehra
X-Fire
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Posted - 2007.06.11 23:55:00 -
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I'd be happy if I just got back the wine-red colour from Red Moon Rising. Armygreen and that brownish color was dull already from the start but my eyes start to hurt now.
Should be simple enough to just add a button to click 'set colour'.
If anything, this thread shows that CCP don't play this game themselves. It's impossible to play EVE for more than a few hours without feeling like vomiting, which is quite sad considering the game is good. Just looks like something you'd find next to your friend that sleeps on your bathroom floor sunday morning.
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Benco97
Gallente
Multiverse Corporation
The Core Collective
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Posted - 2007.06.12 00:06:00 -
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A UI like wow's would open us right up for hacking and botting, have you guys actually seen what some people can make wow do even thought they are only UI mods?
show all sorts of info you're not supposed to know and in a game like EVE that would kill it.
We need customisable UIs as much as we need a /dance command.
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Steve Holt
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.12 00:09:00 -
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The UI should be remade. hopefully it will but we should not allow coustom made UIs due to like people said in wow. u cannot join so and so cause u dont have x mod or exspericane using x UI.
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.12 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Holt
The UI should be remade. hopefully it will but we should not allow coustom made UIs due to like people said in wow. u cannot join so and so cause u dont have x mod or exspericane using x UI.
They don't have to allow in-game scripting, but changing the look and placement of everything would be fine. I don't need a decursive mod for Eve, but their UI is so terrible something drastic must be done, and if that is making it fully modable, than that is what must be done.
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Odet
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.06.12 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lazal Nahn
Absolutely not!
I dont want another WOW like "if you dont have that UI mod you cant join in that and that"
I dont want UI mods which simplify the gameplay so much they border on exploits.
More customization? yes!
Moddable UI? No way!
lol?
what exploits lol?
Just asking to have a little bit more freedom in arraning the UI, and some hotkeys, I don't see how you would consider that a border line exploit.
And join what? giving a bit more customization wont prevent you from anything, so yeah dunno what you're on about, maybe if you care to explain a bit more, I would.
anyhoo
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Lazal Nahn
Amarr
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2007.06.12 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Odet
Originally by: Lazal Nahn
Absolutely not!
I dont want another WOW like "if you dont have that UI mod you cant join in that and that"
I dont want UI mods which simplify the gameplay so much they border on exploits.
More customization? yes!
Moddable UI? No way!
lol?
what exploits lol?
Just asking to have a little bit more freedom in arraning the UI, and some hotkeys, I don't see how you would consider that a border line exploit.
And join what? giving a bit more customization wont prevent you from anything, so yeah dunno what you're on about, maybe if you care to explain a bit more, I would.
anyhoo
NP
There were UI mods which autotargeted someone who was poisoned if you are a healer for example. Or it auto cancelled your heal if another healer casted faster than you.
At some point it went as far as " If you dont have that UI mod dont even think ybout joining in that Op because the mod does everything faster and better than you"
Question answered?
Ps: One of the countless reasons i quit WOW after 2 months
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Odet
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.06.12 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lazal Nahn
Originally by: Odet
Originally by: Lazal Nahn
Absolutely not!
I dont want another WOW like "if you dont have that UI mod you cant join in that and that"
I dont want UI mods which simplify the gameplay so much they border on exploits.
More customization? yes!
Moddable UI? No way!
lol?
what exploits lol?
Just asking to have a little bit more freedom in arraning the UI, and some hotkeys, I don't see how you would consider that a border line exploit.
And join what? giving a bit more customization wont prevent you from anything, so yeah dunno what you're on about, maybe if you care to explain a bit more, I would.
anyhoo
NP
There were UI mods which autotargeted someone who was poisoned if you are a healer for example. Or it auto cancelled your heal if another healer casted faster than you.
At some point it went as far as " If you dont have that UI mod dont even think ybout joining in that Op because the mod does everything faster and better than you"
Question answered?
Ps: One of the countless reasons i quit WOW after 2 months
wow thats lame....
haha ok I can see why that type of system would be unfair to those who had not used the mod.
Seems to me though that that is a 3rd party mod not a setting you can adjust to your preferences though correct?
I wouldnt want the same thing for eve tbh, no third party jank.
just a way to customize it especially positioning and some hotkeys.
All through CCP so it's fair all around.
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Allen Lee
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Posted - 2007.06.12 01:27:00 -
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while i personally quite like the interface and as far as upgrades go would settle for the ability to hotkey everything, that doesn't mean everyone else is ok witht he UI, and so i'd agree on the overhaul.
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Liliane Woodhead
Intergalactic Charwomen
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Posted - 2007.06.12 01:35:00 -
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Edited by: Liliane Woodhead on 12/06/2007 01:37:26
another thaught:
do your own UI if you are not pleased with that.....
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a common task of my UI is
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DuckyWucky
Setenta Corp
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.13 02:11:00 -
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make ur own UI?
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Khu'ra
Minmatar
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.06.13 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Anehra
I'd be happy if I just got back the wine-red colour from Red Moon Rising. Armygreen and that brownish color was dull already from the start but my eyes start to hurt now.
Should be simple enough to just add a button to click 'set colour'.
If anything, this thread shows that CCP don't play this game themselves. It's impossible to play EVE for more than a few hours without feeling like vomiting, which is quite sad considering the game is good. Just looks like something you'd find next to your friend that sleeps on your bathroom floor sunday morning.
You can change the color already.
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Darkwingd
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.13 03:44:00 -
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I would be happy if I could move the drone, gang/fleet UI off the bottom of the overview, that and be able to move my targets. Don't need anything else really.
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Korizan
Oort Cloud Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.13 04:02:00 -
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IF anyone has used Adobe Photoshop you can drag all there boxs off to a second screen out side of the main window.
Now if I could do that with EVE and drag them off the main screen then that would be great.
And yes moving the drones and the group stuff off the overview would be the first thing I would do
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Ekscalybur
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Posted - 2007.06.13 04:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mosic
I'm not saying CCP should drop everything and get right on it, but arguing against it seems Luddite.
If he's not gonna say it, I will. CCP should drop everything and remake the UI from scratch, and make it modern. If it can be done in game with a right click, we should be able to assign a single hotkey to that action. We should be able to cycle targets with a single key press. We should be able to cycle mouse focus (clicking on an object in space) with a single key press, and that hot key should be configurable to cycle through a specified range of objects (ships, containers, roids (even specific roids), stations, planets and gates, with shift/alt functionality to use different assigned filters) There should be a hotkey for deploying drones (and deploying specific drone groups) along with all other drone commands. Hotkeys should also be able to be assigned to specific ships, so switching ships automatically remaps your hot keys to whatever it is you have configured for that ship.
The display of information in game should also be customizable. We should be able to decide where information we already have access to is displayed and in what manner. If I want the transversal velocity of the ships I have targeted to be displayed permanently in or around their target icon box, I should be able to.(would it be too much to ask to have this number also color coded for ranges I choose with green as optimal and red as wasting ammunition?) Clicking on a drone in the overview should show me its speed, its target along with the order it is obeyinglol. I should be able to move the box that displays the damage my guns are doing anywhere on screen and make it persistent with a scrolling chat box if I wanted to. I also think it would be nice if the target icon box also displayed the current DPS over the last 5, 10, or 15 seconds I am applying to it.
I'm already told if I'm being targeted with a yellow square around the ship, and a red square when I've been fired upon or aggressed in some manner. Why can't the UI also tell me as easily and simply enough when that ship is webbing, scramming, or jamming me as well?
But most importantly, we need a hotkey that makes your ship do a barrel roll.
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Gojyu
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Posted - 2007.06.13 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ekscalybur
stuff
But most importantly, we need a hotkey that makes your ship do a barrel roll.
I agree completely. There's no reason to be delicate about the game not taking advantage of an extremely powerful feature implemented by more competitive mmog's. The fact that eve's ui isn't customisable is a failing of the game, not a feature.
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Eric Lupanasia
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Posted - 2007.06.13 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ekscalybur
But most importantly, we need a hotkey that makes your ship do a barrel roll.
It's an aileron roll.  But yes. Improved readability of exactly what we're getting hit/affected by (am I being warp scrambled or NOSed?) and what we're doing in return (a nice translucent pop-up damage log would be nice) would definitely make me happier. I don't need scripting, I just want the ability to put what information I want where I want it and be able to filter it down however I like without a half-dozen clunky separate windows.
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Raketenkaese
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Posted - 2007.06.13 05:22:00 -
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Been asking for years.
I want to relocate the navigation information from the upper left corner to somewhere more comy, not having to twist me neck up n left every god damn time I need something from there.
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