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aaron 619
Gallente
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.10 08:30:00 -
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Ok, I'm looking for idea's on how to get morpite back up closer to its baseprice, the revy 1 Drones fixed the baseprice of zydrine, but it tanked most other hi mins.
so we know how to make the price go down, how do you make it go up. Morphite is sickly cheap right now. 5-7 k per unit, when the base is 32k per unit and it was at 10k, 12k pre revy, come on guys, weres the worth in that.
if you were to mine morphite in 0.0 you would only make 10mil an hr, that is just stuped and no one with a brain cell will do it for that cheap.
could it really be that we still have not burned off the morphite from the rush, I can only hope that the increases in T2 production brought by revy will up the damand for morphite due to the lack of morpite miners like me.
I feel that morphite is worth at least 60 mil an hr with lvl 5 , don't you.
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Auron Shadowbane
Teeth Of The Hydra
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.10 10:57:00 -
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increase demand.
in a year morphite will be 20k/unit if ccp doesnt mess around with MORE drone spawns and ****.
other idea would be to make some "t1.5" items related to some of the new features which eat tons of morphite.
problem is that drone regions have produced a very high by-production of morphit that hasnt yet sold because of very low t2 production.
another idea would be to allow people to buy datacore-bpos for a few 1000/10000 RP which only use morphite to build. this would also fix the problem with certain cores beeing overpriced to hell and back.
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NIkis
Minmatar
W33D Corp.
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.06.10 11:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Auron Shadowbane
increase demand.
in a year morphite will be 20k/unit if ccp doesnt mess around with MORE drone spawns and ****.
other idea would be to make some "t1.5" items related to some of the new features which eat tons of morphite.
problem is that drone regions have produced a very high by-production of morphit that hasnt yet sold because of very low t2 production.
and the very low t2 production happens because the greedy buggers who hold most of T2 BPOs would rather eat their liver than sell for less than 1000% profit (except ships probably but they get a hefty profit there too)
a real competition in the t2 market would have sorted this very nicely
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.10 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: NIkis
Originally by: Auron Shadowbane
increase demand.
in a year morphite will be 20k/unit if ccp doesnt mess around with MORE drone spawns and ****.
other idea would be to make some "t1.5" items related to some of the new features which eat tons of morphite.
problem is that drone regions have produced a very high by-production of morphit that hasnt yet sold because of very low t2 production.
and the very low t2 production happens because the greedy buggers who hold most of T2 BPOs would rather eat their liver than sell for less than 1000% profit (except ships probably but they get a hefty profit there too)
a real competition in the t2 market would have sorted this very nicely
Totally wrong my dear, current T2 prices are set by inventors, not T2 BPO owners.
The production capability of the BPO owners is a fraction of what inventors can build.
Let's make an example: inventing ballistinc control II modules I can get 25 bpc with 14 runs each in a day, so 350 modules/day if I have an helper in building them. In the same time a BPO holder, even with a time efficency reserched BPo can build 20-25 modules.
He can undercut me and be sure to sell his modules, but I can saturate the market.
So in the above scenario my prices are what will determinate the market price. The BPO holder will undercut me just enough to be sure to sell, but the cost of invention is wat generate my selling prices.
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aaron 619
Gallente
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.10 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: aaron 619 on 10/06/2007 19:13:19
Originally by: Auron Shadowbane
increase demand.
in a year morphite will be 20k/unit if ccp doesnt mess around with MORE drone spawns and ****.
other idea would be to make some "t1.5" items related to some of the new features which eat tons of morphite.
problem is that drone regions have produced a very high by-production of morphit that hasnt yet sold because of very low t2 production.
another idea would be to allow people to buy datacore-bpos for a few 1000/10000 RP which only use morphite to build. this would also fix the problem with certain cores being overpriced to hell and back.
I agree, I feel that the amount of droning being done has fixed some problems and has not cased to many problems other then the by-production of morpite that hasn't been burned off by t2 production yet. I'm glad to see better empire mining balance seeing as the demand for low ends has gone semi up.
Further more, I think that morphite is going to continue to go up, it will be due to increasing demand by inventors, which is a over all a good thing that begins to kill the 1000% mark up killing the T2 bpo owners had had pre-revy.
Take a look at the hulk, that was a sight for sore eyes, that invention dose work and has served its purpose, thank you CCP
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aaron 619
Gallente
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.12 09:12:00 -
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OK, I just looked at how much Morphite it takes to build a Hulk.....79, thats only 400,000 ISK, WTF
Here is a fix that has been long coming..... A large increases in the amount of morphite T2 Mods Eat.
Thanks
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Yamichi Wiggin
Caldari
Rising Knights
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.12 16:03:00 -
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Devs have (repeatedly) mentioned upcoming Tech 3 goodies. Could this be a zyd/morphite fix on the way?
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Effei Gloom
Minmatar
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.12 23:00:00 -
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its up to 10K again so?
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aaron 619
Gallente
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.13 05:50:00 -
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Edited by: aaron 619 on 13/06/2007 05:50:56
Edited by: aaron 619 on 13/06/2007 05:49:48
Well how is that for results, all I had to do is post and the problem fixed it self with in a week, I love this game.
Next stop , 25k per unit....thats what I'm selling at, just so long as some people don't start selling out, I think we will be fine. sell your minerals, don't settle.
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Random Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.13 15:08:00 -
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Lets all mine for morphite and kill drones.
Lets all mine for morphite and kill drones.
Bah morphite is too cheap .
Lets all complain to ccp.
"hey ccp were all mining morphite and killing drones and the bottom has fallen out of the morphite market , something must be broken"
I suggest you go to the the School of Applied Knowledge where they'll teach you about supply and demand and make you see that the only thing that is broken is your business accumen.
If morphite prices are crap adapt and do something else.
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Cyllaina
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.13 18:41:00 -
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You consider Zydrine going from 4500 to 1100p/u a fix?
THIS IS MADNESS!
I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that rev 2 is supposed to decrease the amount of zydrine thats coming out of the drone regions to RE-BALANCE, and raise zydrine prices to a more respectable amount.
Boy do I hope so, I refuse to sell zydrine for such dirt cheap prices.
I've never known morphite to be a money-maker since i've been in 0.0, over a year now. Its just been there for the people who can use it, or the people who are contracted to mine it and return it to empire BPO holders for a fee.
-shrug-
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Neuromandis
Novastorm Inc
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.14 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: Neuromandis on 14/06/2007 15:12:56
Originally by: Cyllaina
You consider Zydrine going from 4500 to 1100p/u a fix?
THIS IS MADNESS!
I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that rev 2 is supposed to decrease the amount of zydrine thats coming out of the drone regions to RE-BALANCE, and raise zydrine prices to a more respectable amount.
FYI, Zydrine's price is supposed to fluctuate around 2048isk. So yeah, compared to 4500 isk, around 1500 sounds a lot better, and yes, that's a fix. It was much, much MUCH too expensive up till now.
The mineral base prices (from which all "base" and insurance costs are taken from) are:
tritanium :2
pyerite :8
mexallon :32
isogen :128
nocxium :512
zydrine :2048
megacyte :8192
If prices are near these, we're good. Else, all sorts of funny things start to happen (i.e. ships being a lot cheaper or more expensive than their insurances et.c.)
Also, even if these prices are not followed, it's good for minerals to be about 4 times as expensive as their previous and 1/4 as expensive as their next. With mega at around 5k and nocx around 450, 1250-1500 sounds good. 4k does not.
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aaron 619
Gallente
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.15 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Neuromandis
Edited by: Neuromandis on 14/06/2007 15:12:56
Originally by: Cyllaina
You consider Zydrine going from 4500 to 1100p/u a fix?
THIS IS MADNESS!
I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that rev 2 is supposed to decrease the amount of zydrine thats coming out of the drone regions to RE-BALANCE, and raise zydrine prices to a more respectable amount.
FYI, Zydrine's price is supposed to fluctuate around 2048isk. So yeah, compared to 4500 isk, around 1500 sounds a lot better, and yes, that's a fix. It was much, much MUCH too expensive up till now.
The mineral base prices (from which all "base" and insurance costs are taken from) are:
tritanium :2
pyerite :8
mexallon :32
isogen :128
nocxium :512
zydrine :2048
megacyte :8192
If prices are near these, we're good. Else, all sorts of funny things start to happen (i.e. ships being a lot cheaper or more expensive than their insurances et.c.)
Also, even if these prices are not followed, it's good for minerals to be about 4 times as expensive as their previous and 1/4 as expensive as their next. With mega at around 5k and nocx around 450, 1250-1500 sounds good. 4k does not.
Yep, zydrine has been fixed and should not be raised back to were it was. i think the big deal is over who owns what space and who wants to make more money, that aside, I feel that all 0.0 should have ALL types of ORE rocks, not some of this and some have that, all, every were.
PLUS
Morphite BASE PRICE is 32,500 ISK P/U , and for a good reason, it takes for ever to train to mine, then it take forever to mine it in a barge that can't tank.
Sell your minerals on the market!
Don't settle for what others WANT to pay you!
Miners are the ones that control Sale price! |
Neuromandis
Novastorm Inc
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.16 06:08:00 -
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Originally by: aaron 619
Morphite BASE PRICE is 32,500 ISK P/U , and for a good reason, it takes for ever to train to mine, then it take forever to mine it in a barge that can't tank./quote]
THIS is madness indeed. I suppose the problem is that demand for morphite is laughable. T2 stuff use way too little, so there you have the problem with its price. I suppose the supply is not so much the problem here, as lack of demand. Morphite needs more demand to be fixed, i.e. stuff needing more of it to be built. Of course this will increase their price a lot, but you can't have it all...
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William Hamilton
Caldari
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.16 06:30:00 -
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morphite should just be removed from drones.
The ONLy wahy to get tit should be through mining.
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aaron 619
Gallente
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.16 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: William Hamilton
morphite should just be removed from drones.
The ONLY way to get it should be through mining.
I agree with that, they have lowered the amount or "Chance of drop" in REVY II patch notes
so thats a step in the right direction.
Thanks CCP
Sell your minerals on the market!
Don't settle for what others WANT to pay you!
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