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Dogfighter
Gallente
ORUS Corporate
United Corporations of Eve
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Posted - 2007.06.10 19:20:00 -
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The situation in JITA is ridiculous. To many players in the same system and today I couldn't log my char in the main station, loosing part of the game time I have paid for. This is an absurd. The market, which is one of the strongest points in this game is too centralized in one station. CCP should pay attention to this fact
I have suggestions to fix the JITA boom problem, and I think many EVE players have suggestions regarding this subject too. Fixing this would considerably reduce lags and help to distribute players to other market centers. People would stop concerning about stuck characters in Jita, reducing in this way the number of petitions and increasing gameplay satisfaction.
1) The market taxes in the stations could increase exponentially according to the number of players. This happen in big commercial centers in our real life.
2) CCP could also apply different taxes in a station according to the merchandise type/category. Some stations could have lower taxes for ship modules sales, other stations could have lower taxes for POS stuff and so on... Each region could have at least one center of each type. Different routes could connect each the commercial centers, reducing considerably the traffic on certain routes, like the one from Amarr to Jita.
3) The Gallenteans' market is the worst market in this game. The trade routes to their systems seem to be nerfed, they really don't have a good commercial center compared to other races. I have to travel too much to get there using high-sec routes. In the other hand, Jita seems to be always close to every other point in the EVE universe. I think the routes should be changed to balance this. A long time ago there were gates connecting 4 big commerial centers in EVE universe; they were connected with just 1 jump. This would be the worst sollution. After the changes in those routes, Jita became the new commercial center: The Traffic Hell.
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RogueWing
Evolution
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Posted - 2007.06.10 19:28:00 -
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Biggest thing CCP could do to help Jita is to turn the Jita 4-4 station a bit so the undock area points toward the busiest stargate.
That way, as soon as you undock you can warp off and not tie that area up in 100+ ships all bumping into each other as they align.
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Dogfighter
Gallente
ORUS Corporate
United Corporations of Eve
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Posted - 2007.06.10 20:39:00 -
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Excellent idea. This would help a lot with undocking. Commercial centers must receive special attention, and why not special 3D models? Stations with huge traffic could also have 3 or 4 undocking points. And this could open new possibilities for outpost keepers: something like outpost upgrades. Change an outpost look and size would be great. And could also cost more ISK :) All outposts in 0.0 look like the same thing.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Cadien Cybernetics
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Posted - 2007.06.10 21:47:00 -
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- Make Caldari less attracive for new (uninformed) players. For example colour, picture, description and avatars seem to be a lot more attractive and lure many players into starting Caldari chars. Later on it's also missile effects and ease of use.
- Make Charisma more important, i.e. introduce some high rank and powerful (monetary, standing, ..), yet optional Charisma dependent skills with lvl5 Charisma dependent prerequisites. Effectively making Achura less superior.
- Make the Raven a less mandatory PvE choice. Effectively reducing Caldari mission runner PvE Alts.
To sum it up, start by balancing player population. Reduce Caldari influx.
Then see what's left and try all the other fixes.
My 2 cents.
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Dogfighter
Gallente
ORUS Corporate
United Corporations of Eve
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Posted - 2007.06.12 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: Dogfighter on 12/06/2007 18:53:51
Edited by: Dogfighter on 12/06/2007 18:53:04
Edited by: Dogfighter on 12/06/2007 18:52:39
Edited by: Dogfighter on 12/06/2007 18:51:36
 Originally by: Tarron Sarek
- Make Caldari less attracive for new (uninformed) players. For example colour, picture, description and avatars seem to be a lot more attractive and lure many players into starting Caldari chars. Later on it's also missile effects and ease of use.
- Make Charisma more important, i.e. introduce some high rank and powerful (monetary, standing, ..), yet optional Charisma dependent skills with lvl5 Charisma dependent prerequisites. Effectively making Achura less superior.
- Make the Raven a less mandatory PvE choice. Effectively reducing Caldari mission runner PvE Alts.
To sum it up, start by balancing player population. Reduce Caldari influx.
Then see what's left and try all the other fixes.
My 2 cents.
Well, the caldari people should not be completely nerfed just because Jita is the commerce center. But it is clear that one of the best 0.0 territories are closer to Jita. Creating new stargates linking these territories to other high-sec places would help to create new market centers.
But yeah, Amarr are pretty ugly in this game :) and people really would like to see a better character customization (no long beard, always the same clothes and hair styles, etc...) Why cant a caldari or a amarr have long hair? Why did CCP created the original gallentean race with such a homosexual face? At least Intakis are not so ugly. I can't create fat characters. What is the problem with fat people? People like to set "white" eyes in their characters. I think this ideas deserve a new forum thread. 
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Cadien Cybernetics
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Posted - 2007.06.12 23:55:00 -
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What exactly would completely 'nerf' Caldari people?
Does "make some things less overpowered" always equal a 'nerf'?
Gee, there actually is something like balance. There is something in-between overpowered and totally useless.
Anyway.. why is Jita the commerce center? Of course there is no single reason for it. That'd be too easy. But one of the contributing aspects is definitely the constant new Caldari char influx. Even if it's just alts, everybody and his dog creates Achura chars, because everybody tells the newbs, and the vets surely know, that it is the superior bloodline. As most new chars stick around for some time, need equipment, this means demand, so the supply also moves there.
Regarding character customization, yeah, some things are missing, and some things definitely are redundant.
Amarr look ugly and old. Gallente would be better off with a look like the one guy on the character creation picture. There are no good looking Minmatar, it's either conehead or thug.
As mentioned by somebody else, Caldari have the most pleasing caucasian look. Well, except Achura, thus the hordes of female Achura. Caldari don't have silly coloured screens and visors on their heads, nor other nonsense doodads.
However I can't imagine a Caldari with long hair. I would say that's just unpractical for both fighters and industrialists and Caldari people would quite likely just not be allowed to have it, or at least it'd be frowned upon (showing lack of discipline etc).
All in all, females look better than their male counterparts. Guess that explains the abundance of female chars to a certain extent.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.13 01:28:00 -
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Easiest way to nerf Jita, fix its lag and solve the OP's problems all at once:
DON'T GO THERE.
There is no reason to "fix" anything. Its your fault for logging out when in Jita. Not like you didn't know it would happen 
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45thtiger011
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Posted - 2007.06.13 01:42:00 -
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so what are they supposed to do if they get lagged out, ctd, etc? |
Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.13 04:20:00 -
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Originally by: 45thtiger011
so what are they supposed to do if they get lagged out, ctd, etc?
Read again:
Don't go there
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Faith Rose
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.13 04:27:00 -
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if ccp wanted to they could make if harder to get to jita.
Or you could move to the old market center, Rens. oh wait it still is a market focus point......
Needless to say you have plenty of options, use them.
my 2 cents
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NIkis
Minmatar
W33D Corp.
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.06.13 09:51:00 -
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Edited by: NIkis on 13/06/2007 09:54:24
Negative changes will not be looked kindly upon, IMO the proposals with 'turning' the station so it faces stargates, and multiple undocking points, are the best ideas.
There is a natural trend to form a centralized market (see the supermarkets IRL), so if changes are made to caldari all the problems you think are caused (partly) by people making caldari alts will just move to another system . And have you considered maybe, just maybe, a lot people make caldari alts ('shopping alts') so they don't have to jump 20+ jumps to Jita ? probably not, thus some less intelligent replies to this thread. People will just make say minmatar alts and flock to Rens, or gallente alts -> Oursu, and all the problems with Jita would repeat there.
The prize for the dumbest statement goes tooo ...
Originally by: Dogfighter
1) The market taxes in the stations could increase exponentially according to the number of players. This happen in big commercial centers in our real life.
Oh really ? I guess all the big shopping centers/malls would go bankrupt if it were so.
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Aem
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.13 11:27:00 -
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Jita Lagged? And you're moaning...
The answer is simple dont go. I was stuck undocking after picking a contract up and waited 12mins before my petition was answered and I was moved =D
The market is slowly moving out of 4-4, Niya is getting populated, as are the other caldari stations.
Its not 100% Jita, its more 4-4; Visual lag and black screens, I can undock from any of the other stations with relative ease. |
Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tarron Sarek
- Make Caldari less attracive for new (uninformed) players. For example colour, picture, description and avatars seem to be a lot more attractive and lure many players into starting Caldari chars. Later on it's also missile effects and ease of use.
Yeah, take off that monk from the amarr button and add some nobles with half nude slaves laying at his foot! *remembers princess leia at the "foot" of jabba*
Add exotic dancers to the minmatar picture!
Keep the "gallenteans are originally of french origin" and the image as it is, it seems to naturally balance things... (Understand it as you want, but before you say something, I'm french  )
Show how caldari BS are ugly compared to the nice merlin!
It should naturally balance things!
And... make it easier to make not horrible amarr and minmatar males!
Well, if this was enough to help rebalance the different races population, it would be so easy... Maybe... It needs something more.
Anyway, it's really too late to do something for jita. Either you modify it and every big trader there will make billions isk of losses, and it is quite bad, or you slowly build a new trade hub based on something like 6 systems linked with one stargate on each other (place like a spider web), at a 3 regions crossing with a middle connecting system with no stations, only gates to the 6 peripheric systems. No belts, few services or anything in the stations, no agents, stations are property of the SCC (broker fees stay at basic price).
Just a trade hub idea, maybe there should be several scattered around the empire?
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Cadien Cybernetics
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Posted - 2007.06.15 01:10:00 -
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Hmm, perhaps make standing have more impact on taxes and broker fees.
Just like the station taxes for refining.
Jita wouldn't be for everyone and those standing improving skills traders start out with would have more meaning.
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Random Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.15 10:58:00 -
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Base tax rates on how much stuff is sold at a station the day before.
Dont have any numbers myself.
But if you make the tax rate variable from 1 - 10% based on how busy a station is , watch how quickly people move out of jita to the surrounding systems hence spreading the load.
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Camilo Cienfuegos
EP0CH
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:27:00 -
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A variable tax rate dependant on the number of orders in any one given station would be nice. A trade hub system is one thing, but 4-4 is just ridiculous in Jita. Rotating the station wouldn't be a bad idea either, but I feel the above suggestion would render this pointless.
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Does "make some things less overpowered" always equal a 'nerf'?
Yes. Not that Caldari are overpowered in the slightest - the only ships that are currently so are the Battle Cruisers and Command Ships, and their shield recharges are being tweaked soon¥Ö. Anyway, I think what was meant by the original comment was that they should appear less attractive: Uglier faces, inferior bloodlines and less of these comments in their description -
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they are still universally feared and admired. Their economy is strong, and their military might parallel to that of the larger empires.
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they still strive to be at the cutting edge of military technology and their vessels, weapons and fighting methods are inferior to none but the enigmatic Jovians.
...which are all blatant lies anyway!
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