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Evil Rick	Posted - 2007.06.12 09:23:00 - [1] I've been thinking, if I used a EM armour hardener and a damage control unit wudnt I get the penalty for using a simular module??? I've been told to use both armour hardeners and damage control units to beef up my resistance but i cant use both right? Once a noob always a noob.lol.
Evil Rick	Posted - 2007.06.12 10:30:00 - [2] so can anyone tell me if I can or can't???
Cpt Branko	Posted - 2007.06.12 10:32:00 - [3] Damage control isn't stacking-penalized with shield/armour hardeners. You can use only one, though.
Stingwray	Posted - 2007.06.12 10:32:00 - [4] Damage control is not stacking. Which means you will get its full effect, no matter what other modules you have on your ship. You can use multiple resist mods, but with each one added, they don't work as well. I believe it is something like, the first works 100%, second 80%, third 50% and below that they are not worth using. Damage control does not suffer from this.
Evil Rick	Posted - 2007.06.12 11:04:00 - [5] ok thanks
alexreborn	Posted - 2007.06.12 11:09:00 - [6] that doesn't make sense. I think it is stacking penalized.. And if its not, then when its activated since the DMG control isn't penalized the other modules get penalized. so youll get the bonus from the dmg control but then that bonus deminshese the effect of the EM hardener so it doesn't matter.... please someone correct me if im wrong. I just dont remember geting a 92% resist on my harpy for the thermal when running a dmg control 2. I remember 84. And the base is already 80. go figure.
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.12 11:34:00 - [7] The numbers for the stacking penalty are 100/87/57/28.
Gawain Hill	Posted - 2007.06.12 11:49:00 - [8] Originally by: alexreborn that doesn't make sense. I think it is stacking penalized.. And if its not, then when its activated since the DMG control isn't penalized the other modules get penalized. so youll get the bonus from the dmg control but then that bonus deminshese the effect of the EM hardener so it doesn't matter.... please someone correct me if im wrong. I just dont remember geting a 92% resist on my harpy for the thermal when running a dmg control 2. I remember 84. And the base is already 80. go figure. there is no stacking nerf did you check it against the base resist or the resist AFTER the first hardener if it was all done off base resist you could get close to impossible to break a tank with 2 EANM II's and a DC
Cpt Branko	Posted - 2007.06.12 11:51:00 - [9] Originally by: alexreborn that doesn't make sense. I think it is stacking penalized.. And if its not, then when its activated since the DMG control isn't penalized the other modules get penalized. so youll get the bonus from the dmg control but then that bonus deminshese the effect of the EM hardener so it doesn't matter.... please someone correct me if im wrong. I just dont remember geting a 92% resist on my harpy for the thermal when running a dmg control 2. I remember 84. And the base is already 80. go figure. Actually - when you've got 80% resist, adding, say, 10% won't make it 90%. It's not stacking penalty, it's just the way resists are calculated. Adding 10% on 80% will get it up to 82%, if I'm not wrong - it's current_res+(stacking penalty, which is 0 for DCU)(1-0.8)0.1 in the case above, yielding 0.82, or 82% res [10% less damage taken then 80% res]. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm at work, so no EvE installed to test it out.
alexreborn	Posted - 2007.06.12 11:53:00 - [10] oh ok makes sense then. ya I got no clue how the resists work. So I gotta undock and switch them on and see what it gives me.
Ulii	Posted - 2007.06.12 12:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: alexreborn that doesn't make sense. I think it is stacking penalized.. And if its not, then when its activated since the DMG control isn't penalized the other modules get penalized. so youll get the bonus from the dmg control but then that bonus deminshese the effect of the EM hardener so it doesn't matter.... please someone correct me if im wrong. I just dont remember geting a 92% resist on my harpy for the thermal when running a dmg control 2. I remember 84. And the base is already 80. go figure. Actually - when you've got 80% resist, adding, say, 10% won't make it 90%. It's not stacking penalty, it's just the way resists are calculated. Adding 10% on 80% will get it up to 82%, if I'm not wrong - it's current_res+(stacking penalty, which is 0 for DCU)(1-0.8)0.1 in the case above, yielding 0.82, or 82% res [10% less damage taken then 80% res]. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm at work, so no EvE installed to test it out. typoe? think you mean that the stacking penalty should be the multiplier and thus beein 1 and not 0
Cpt Branko	Posted - 2007.06.12 12:33:00 - [12] Er, yeah, you got me there
Evil Rick	Posted - 2007.06.12 13:11:00 - [13] erm ok i think i get it
Ulii	Posted - 2007.06.12 13:35:00 - [14] Edited by: Ulii on 12/06/2007 13:37:45 Originally by: Evil Rick erm ok i think i get it let me explain... have the formula in mind: Quote: (1-[current res])[module resist bonus][stacking multiplier]+[current resist] {1, 0.87 ,0.57, 0.28}e[stacking multiplier] the first part is what is left until you get 100%. if you have 80% 1-[current res] = 0.2 (= 20%) that is how big part of the resist the module actually affect. if we take an example of a initial resist of 0% and a module that gives 50%. if the module wouldn't be stacking nerfed, the first module added would increase the resist to 50%, the second would only affect the remaining 50%, thus increasing res to 75% and the third would add 0.250.50=0.125. and so on. the difference between a 80% res and a 90% is not 10%, it is a 50% decrease in recieved dps. and to keep the resists within reasonable levels and not to make EANM's and invuls too powerful, resists is tacking nerfed. the DC is not stacking nerfed, and do not affect wich stacking multiplier the other modules get. if you fit 2EANM + 1*DC the first eanm will have the multiplier 1, the second will have the multiplier 0.87 and the DC will have the 1, if you add another EANM it will get the 0.57. the last part is just a list of the multipliers and to show that they belong to [stacking multiplier]. just ignore it if you dont understand it, it is really not that interresting edit: typoes
Evil Rick	Posted - 2007.06.12 14:12:00 - [15] ah ok im with you now lol. Thanks very much for replying, helped alot (well we'll see).
Ulii	Posted - 2007.06.12 14:27:00 - [16] Edited by: Ulii on 12/06/2007 14:26:50 No problem, that is what the forums is for. (a place for people with too much time, or a too boring job, to show of their electronic reproductive organ enhanced with some mathematic bull**** that dont help many luckilly i know plain english too) edit: forgot a ')'

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