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Cubic ironwood ink The Sundering	Posted - 2007.06.12 10:15:00 - [1] Yesterday 11th June, Ironwood Ink, suffered great losses to one of its directors named Malicel. He previously went by the name of The Mizz and Anubs where we are lead to believe he had previous FC experience for the old CA, M0o and KIA. We cannot substantiate this yet we believe these accounts were sold over a year ago and thus we cannot expect these accounts to still be run by malicel. We also know of him playing his "friends" inty account as tackle for BoBs capital fleet - To this guy all we can say is "watch out". This is amongst a backdrop of previous alliance theft occurring last week whereby around 35billion was stolen by alliance leader Villwrath. Thankfully this time I, the CEO, was alerted to the fact as it was occurring and we thwarted the efforts in part, thankfully only loosing around 4billion. This loss is mainly "salt to the wound" as the alliance theft by its leader was not so involving of ironwood on the whole. Personally this whole thing is just becoming a joke now. To me these people were not part of a bigger plan, simply opportunists showing their true colours hiding behind the anonymity of the internet. Coincidentally / Characteristically - Nidia Masters turned up at the station where the theft occured in Wicked Creek Area at the exact time the theft took place, acompanied by a FIX fleet. Make of it what you will. Over the Last week, I have personally lost around 5 billion Isk. The materiality of this is small as I consider the real loss to be the two people I previously considered "friends". These thieves have stolen two of the most precious things to hundreds of people - Their time and their enjoyment. We as a corporation and an alliance have pondered how to better our own internal governance a lot over the past week, but sadly still believe trust is integral to this game should a group wish to co-ordinate their efforts to achieve something bigger. Keep on Truckin' Ironwood
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.06.12 10:32:00 - [2] As much as this is going to get quoted when inevitably someone robs me blind, I'll say it anyway: haha
atrophocy ironwood ink The Sundering	Posted - 2007.06.12 11:04:00 - [3] Originally by: Cubic Keep on Truckin' Ironwood SUN has made amazing progress towards rebuilding in the last week, given the scale of villwrath's theft. Malicel stealing 4b is a small price to pay to find out a director isnt trustworthy. Ironwood, like the rest of SUN will keep on, stronger than ever with our leaner, meaner group of guys.
Bienurdau Hywoaf Minmatar Matari Holo News Network	Posted - 2007.06.12 11:08:00 - [4] I hope you guys recover. Seems corp thefts are being common lately. You guys got his, the executor corp of FTL got hit, and seems like another corp or two.... Anyway good luck on getting things fixed :) Idea: Treaties Idea: Jump Rigs
James Don KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:09:00 - [5] Originally by: Cubic Coincidentally / Characteristically - Nidia Masters turned up at the station where the theft occured in Wicked Creek Area at the exact time the theft took place, acompanied by a FIX fleet. Make of it what you will. I have to point out that this is false, there was no FIX fleet or FIX operations in Wicked Creek as we have no interests in that area. What I think you may have seen is a small group of the ex-Sundering people in FIX in the area togather but far from a fleet. I just had to point that out as there is no link between FIX and the theft and that paragraph may be taken as though there was, if you think there is or even have proof feel free to eve-mail me. James FIX Chairman EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world. - Wrangler
Helen STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:19:00 - [6] Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf I hope you guys recover. Seems corp thefts are being common lately. You guys got his, the executor corp of FTL got hit, and seems like another corp or two.... Anyway good luck on getting things fixed :) I would launch into a diatribe about CCP's failings on these issues regarding corp thefts and what happens after but I'll save it till I see a CCP employee.
Slayton Ford Vindicate and Deliverance ASGARDIAN EMPIRE	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:37:00 - [7] Originally by: James Don What I think you may have seen is a small group of the ex-Sundering people in FIX in the area togather but far from a fleet. I just had to point that out as there is no link between FIX and the theft and that paragraph may be taken as though there was, if you think there is or even have proof feel free to eve-mail me. You know, when there is a corp theft and the theif moves to Fix and then 6-8 Fix show up in a region where they havnt been sited in months, there is a link between Fix and the theft. Deny all you want, but it is your alliance and you are responsible for the actions of those in your alliance. --------------- This sig has been censored in fear of recieving the ban hammer...
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:58:00 - [8] I say... is corp theft the new FOTM? gl in recovering once more \o ------- Originally by: Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
Harisdrop Gallente Vindicate and Deliverance	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:59:00 - [9] Hey guys I feel your pain. I hope you rebound and kick it higher. FIX are just scum and always have been. They are just spinoffs of a a old m00 corp that wanted to go carebear. Seems being shifty never eludes them. Best of luck SUN and lets take some more kick to the enemy.
James Don KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Slayton Ford Originally by: James Don What I think you may have seen is a small group of the ex-Sundering people in FIX in the area togather but far from a fleet. I just had to point that out as there is no link between FIX and the theft and that paragraph may be taken as though there was, if you think there is or even have proof feel free to eve-mail me. You know, when there is a corp theft and the theif moves to Fix and then 6-8 Fix show up in a region where they havnt been sited in months, there is a link between Fix and the theft. Deny all you want, but it is your alliance and you are responsible for the actions of those in your alliance. Indeed, but I will correct you, the actual thief we barred from joining FIX (dont actually know if an application ever came in) one member that joined FIX has been implicated but the implications have conested between Sundering and Ex-Sundering (now FIX) members so its far from clear cut. Indeed I am responsible for the actions of those in my Alliance, while a handful of members were in Wicked Creek killing non blues I have no problem with that at all. James FIX Chairman EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world. - Wrangler
Izo Azlion Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:13:00 - [11] Originally by: Shin Ra As much as this is going to get quoted when inevitably someone robs me blind, I'll say it anyway: haha Its not really that funny, Shin Ra, sorry. To the OP: Good luck in getting back to where you were. You've got the right attitude in your post, I hope that transfers to in game. Cheers, Izo Azlion. --- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Hango ([email protected]) Thanks to Stubnitz for the Sig.
Jules Wolfpack ironwood ink The Sundering	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:46:00 - [12] Originally by: James Don Indeed, but I will correct you, the actual thief we barred from joining FIX (dont actually know if an application ever came in) one member that joined FIX has been implicated but the implications have conested between Sundering and Ex-Sundering (now FIX) members so its far from clear cut. I agree, it's not clear cut. We can offer no real proof that Nidia had anything to do w/ either theft. The first theft, Nidia's alt (which he claims he sold) escorted Villwrath out of station. The second theft, Nidia Masters himself was in local in Q-G the day of the theft. In fact, he spent all day in local yammering on with no apparent goal except to relay the comments from some of the ex-SUN people about what Malicel did and to goat people into having a conversation with no apparent purpose. He wasn't there to engage non-blues.. he was there to simply annoy everyone in system. Talking and running your mouth in local to the enemy is generally a bad show, though I will admit some of our members contributed to the madness. That being said, I never was bothered too much by Nidia. He was a loud mouth, and to some degree it was nice to see someone just speak what maybe a lot of us were thinking, but at the same time his purpose in this game is to create and spread drama. He has plausible deny ability in both instances, but who can really know. I'm of the school of thought that if it sounds like a worm, it looks like a worm, and smells like a worm, it's probably a worm. I applaud James Don in this stance towards Villwrath... and should you see Malicel's application I hope you take the same stance. This is basically my first MMO, so I wasn't privy to the fact that this is commonplace in these types of games. It's a shame really. You certainly get to witness the ugly side of human nature when you can hide behind a veil of the internet.
Droewa Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:32:00 - [13] Originally by: Harisdrop Hey guys I feel your pain. I hope you rebound and kick it higher. FIX are just scum and always have been. They are just spinoffs of a a old m00 corp that wanted to go carebear. Seems being shifty never eludes them. Best of luck SUN and lets take some more kick to the enemy. I only quoted this cause i think it's funny when people have absolutely no idea what they are saying. Spinoff of moo! congrats you managed to come up with something to call FIX i haven't heard before and i though i had heard them all. As far as the theft and FIX being involved. NOT I was with that "fleet" (5 guys, 3 tech 1 cruisers a recon and a hac) They asked me for permission to go up to the area in hopes of killing one guy in particular (who was not around). we killed some iac on the way and some neutrals. But i don't think we killed any sun. Nidia asked me if he could stay so he could kill this certain individual if he came around. I had no objection. FIX has no interest in attacking SUN. Nether do I. But the way you guys acted has these EX TIC upset. now i don't pay much attention to the details of why they are so upset. Don't care really. but we had nothing to do with a theft. Now what i do know is that you guys and proof that the thief was in fact a FC in a different corp you where warned by some of the guys now in JAKD and you did nothing. i for one can't feel sorry for you knowing that information.
Hexxx Minmatar ironwood ink The Sundering	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:41:00 - [14] Also, to add to this, we have very good reason to believe that Malicel's theft was largely unplanned. He did as much damage as he could to our main office but missed alot of our BPO assets that were in research (and not that far away). If this was a planned theft he would have gotten not just those, but also some significant assets we had near the edge of empire. As Cubic stated, we were able to quickly lock down some of our other assets the second we got wind of what was happening, couple that with the way we spread out our assets and the damage was largely minimized. The main thing that bothered me was that Malicel was a really cool guy, a fun FC, and just great to hang out with on Vent. I liked him alot and his personal betrayal hurts much more than the isk and the BPO's he stole. Ah well, Ironwood is far stronger than any one single person. The first thing we did after the theft was to go on a roaming PvP Op. Says something about our mentallity I guess... Hexxx LLP - Business Consulting Services - IPO's, Business Plans, Share/Stock Pricing, and general Consulting.
Hexxx Minmatar ironwood ink The Sundering	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:49:00 - [15] Originally by: Droewa Originally by: Harisdrop Hey guys I feel your pain. I hope you rebound and kick it higher. FIX are just scum and always have been. They are just spinoffs of a a old m00 corp that wanted to go carebear. Seems being shifty never eludes them. Best of luck SUN and lets take some more kick to the enemy. I only quoted this cause i think it's funny when people have absolutely no idea what they are saying. Spinoff of moo! congrats you managed to come up with something to call FIX i haven't heard before and i though i had heard them all. As far as the theft and FIX being involved. NOT I was with that "fleet" (5 guys, 3 tech 1 cruisers a recon and a hac) They asked me for permission to go up to the area in hopes of killing one guy in particular (who was not around). we killed some iac on the way and some neutrals. But i don't think we killed any sun. Nidia asked me if he could stay so he could kill this certain individual if he came around. I had no objection. FIX has no interest in attacking SUN. Nether do I. But the way you guys acted has these EX TIC upset. now i don't pay much attention to the details of why they are so upset. Don't care really. but we had nothing to do with a theft. Now what i do know is that you guys and proof that the thief was in fact a FC in a different corp you where warned by some of the guys now in JAKD and you did nothing. i for one can't feel sorry for you knowing that information. I personally don't think FIX is scum. I have no real problem with FIX itself and I don't consider you guys enemies of the SUN Alliance. We may pew pew each other but hey, we're neutral and that's fun anyway. =P That said, you're working off second hand information and heresay. SUN have inside information and personal experience with what has happened and is happening in our space. Don't make the mistake of thinking we don't. That "warning" was based off rumors and misinformation. When Malicel joined us he told us he was an ex-FC for an Alliance, he then proved his worth on the battlefield and consistently acted in the interests of the Corp. The "warning" was a rumor that he was in this Alliance based on the fact somebody was thick headed enough to misunderstand something that was commonly known about Malicel. Through out his time with us, Malicel never gave any indication that he was a thief or dishonorable. I don't think FIX was involved with any of these thefts. I do however believe that one or two of your pilots may have been, but that's nothing that's FIX's fault necessarily. Hexxx LLP - Business Consulting Services - IPO's, Business Plans, Share/Stock Pricing, and general Consulting.
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.12 19:13:00 - [16] Edited by: Janu Hull on 12/06/2007 19:12:25 Originally by: Helen Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf I hope you guys recover. Seems corp thefts are being common lately. You guys got his, the executor corp of FTL got hit, and seems like another corp or two.... Anyway good luck on getting things fixed :) I would launch into a diatribe about CCP's failings on these issues regarding corp thefts and what happens after but I'll save it till I see a CCP employee. So what's wrong with Corp theft that isn't wrong with any other scam that's allowed in this game? Not that I'm crazy about the idea, but lets be real, its just another cold heartless aspect of this game that results from the utter lack any level of metacontrol imposed by other MMOs.
Jules Wolfpack ironwood ink The Sundering	Posted - 2007.06.12 20:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Droewa Now what i do know is that you guys and proof that the thief was in fact a FC in a different corp you where warned by some of the guys now in JAKD and you did nothing. i for one can't feel sorry for you knowing that information. We still don't have proof that Mal is really a BoB FC... only allegations. In hindsight, we should have kicked the guy, and it's easy to pull the "see I told you so" card. We misplaced trust, and got burned. We stood behind him because as a corp against the allegations because at the time, he was our boy and while he admitted that he flown as a BoB scout on another char that he borrowed, we didn't know of anything that linked him to any other char. in BoB or anywhere for that matter. To this day, the ex-SUN members still haven't provided anything to substantiate their claim. And honestly, the amount that Mal played on the Malciel character, i don't see where he had time to fly another char. as a BoB FC. And realistically, given the fact that not THAT much ISK was stolen, you'd think they'd have better things to do w/their time than rob our corp. If they don't, then they clearly have too much time on their hands. But, they were right that he couldn't be trusted. And in that sense, we should have heeded their advice But, I never meant to suggested that FIX would have anything to do w/ these thefts. We've just seen Nidia and his supposed sold alt in Q-G the day of the robberies. Maybe he just misses us dearly. He couldn't stay off our vent in the past and even today asks to get back on. It's sweet really.
Jules Wolfpack ironwood ink The Sundering	Posted - 2007.06.12 20:49:00 - [18] Originally by: Janu Hull Edited by: Janu Hull on 12/06/2007 19:12:25 Originally by: Helen Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf I hope you guys recover. Seems corp thefts are being common lately. You guys got his, the executor corp of FTL got hit, and seems like another corp or two.... Anyway good luck on getting things fixed :) I would launch into a diatribe about CCP's failings on these issues regarding corp thefts and what happens after but I'll save it till I see a CCP employee. So what's wrong with Corp theft that isn't wrong with any other scam that's allowed in this game? Not that I'm crazy about the idea, but lets be real, its just another cold heartless aspect of this game that results from the utter lack any level of metacontrol imposed by other MMOs.
Stockarian eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.12 21:04:00 - [19] Sorry to hear of your losses ironwood, you guys really don't deserve that. Here's hoping all works out for you fellas. Good luck and chin up. To save time, why don't you avoid the facts and get right to the spin.
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.06.12 21:46:00 - [20] I assure you, Malicel is not a BoB FC haha.
Supermarket Su Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2007.06.12 22:16:00 - [21] Originally by: Janu Hull Edited by: Janu Hull on 12/06/2007 19:12:25 Originally by: Helen Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf I hope you guys recover. Seems corp thefts are being common lately. You guys got his, the executor corp of FTL got hit, and seems like another corp or two.... Anyway good luck on getting things fixed :) I would launch into a diatribe about CCP's failings on these issues regarding corp thefts and what happens after but I'll save it till I see a CCP employee. So what's wrong with Corp theft that isn't wrong with any other scam that's allowed in this game? Not that I'm crazy about the idea, but lets be real, its just another cold heartless aspect of this game that results from the utter lack any level of metacontrol imposed by other MMOs. what's wrong with it is there is no recourse, and no possible recourse, ccp ain't got the brains to figure this out, it's all cool and groovy in their books, like yarr man they seem to forget that justice should have a way of being done, more likely they simply don't understand it.
Kartock Maar Harbingers of Sarrow Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.13 02:48:00 - [22] Hmm, this all seems a little to coincidental. Sundering gets hit, STK gets hit, Sun gets hit again. Rubberduckey( informality, Njord V) in STK used to be in SUN as Malion, claims he is going to join BOB and that he is a member of GHSC and that HOS and TIC/SUN were marks. IS this possible that they are all connected?
RubberDuckey Amarr STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.13 06:08:00 - [23] Edited by: RubberDuckey on 13/06/2007 06:12:54 Originally by: Kartock Maar Hmm, this all seems a little to coincidental. Sundering gets hit, STK gets hit, Sun gets hit again. Rubberduckey( informality, Njord V) in STK used to be in SUN as Malion, claims he is going to join BOB and that he is a member of GHSC and that HOS and TIC/SUN were marks. IS this possible that they are all connected? YouÆre so gullible... You forgot to add in I was in RaGoon, a GM, and CCP's CEO. Also that I was the original m00 CEO and my characters are all Jove and I have a Jovian Titan. Lets not forget that I date Kiera Knightly, Eva Longoria, and Jessica Biel while seeing Paris when she isn't in and out of jail. I'm the President of the United States, Queen of England, and well the Pope to. <end sarcasm> edit: I forgot to add I am actually Helen whose actually Sir Molle, whose actually Seelene, whos oh wait thats another thread same subject.. my bad
Kalkin84 STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.13 06:17:00 - [24] Originally by: RubberDuckey Edited by: RubberDuckey on 13/06/2007 06:12:54 Originally by: Kartock Maar Hmm, this all seems a little to coincidental. Sundering gets hit, STK gets hit, Sun gets hit again. Rubberduckey( informality, Njord V) in STK used to be in SUN as Malion, claims he is going to join BOB and that he is a member of GHSC and that HOS and TIC/SUN were marks. IS this possible that they are all connected? YouÆre so gullible... You forgot to add in I was in RaGoon, a GM, and CCP's CEO. Also that I was the original m00 CEO and my characters are all Jove and I have a Jovian Titan. Lets not forget that I date Kiera Knightly, Eva Longoria, and Jessica Biel while seeing Paris when she isn't in and out of jail. I'm the President of the United States, Queen of England, and well the Pope to. <end sarcasm> edit: I forgot to add I am actually Helen whose actually Sir Molle, whose actually Seelene, whos oh wait thats another thread same subject.. my bad ZOMG! IT'S JESUS!!
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.13 06:22:00 - [25] :(
Sidrat Flush Caldari Wolf Pack Enterprises E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.06.13 17:56:00 - [26] To be hit by corp theft once is pretty sad, extra so in the case of the perp to be the "leader/ceo", but to be the victim for a second time means you guys have to do some half way decent background checks before you give out any roles or rights. Don't know how long this particular guy was in your corp/alliance, but you don't make anyone a director without atleast a couple of months personal history together. Rescind ALL rights forthwith and lock down everything, including the lower level corp sections. Get screen shots of both the character select screen AND an unexpanded skill list shot as well. Those two pictures will tell you most of what you need to know. There's other stuff as well, but nothing will truly bring out a corp thief/spy if they're good at what they do. BTW - all corp thieves are pretty scummy. Just when you thought recruiting was easier, now you know why. Life is about memories the more the better. End Slavery.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.06.13 18:07:00 - [27] Time to remember who are his alts :-/ gl with him ----- History is made by whinners Originally by: DB Preacher (...) Ignore what the coalition muppets are saying on their forums (...)
Jules Wolfpack ironwood ink The Sundering	Posted - 2007.06.13 19:10:00 - [28] Edited by: Jules Wolfpack on 13/06/2007 19:09:11 Well.. an update on Malicel. He CJ'ed back to the station where the crap loot that he stole resided. I guess he already got the BPO's out =/. He sold the T1 gear and minerals and then tried to leave station in a Thorax... but I met him outside in my Enyo. Point on, he aggro's back and with the help of a few m8's, we made short work of his ship and his pod. We didn't recover anything from the Rax (not a suprise there) but we now have his corpse take turns kicking it around the station. He then bragged about shooting blues, I suppose in an effort to try and ruin standings for us. We haven't heard from our allies confirming this, but it's a testament to his character as a scumbag. All we did to him was give him respect, defended him, trusted him and he just turned on us with zero provocation. He's joined ranks in Slackers which I knew he had some contacts in and I guess, to my surprise will continue using his character. If you folks seem him out there, send him some Null and Void his way on my behalf.
band0fdevs Gallente Band of Dev's	Posted - 2007.06.14 02:47:00 - [29] Originally by: Jules Wolfpack Edited by: Jules Wolfpack on 13/06/2007 19:09:11 Well.. an update on Malicel. He CJ'ed back to the station where the crap loot that he stole resided. I guess he already got the BPO's out =/. He sold the T1 gear and minerals and then tried to leave station in a Thorax... but I met him outside in my Enyo. Point on, he aggro's back and with the help of a few m8's, we made short work of his ship and his pod. We didn't recover anything from the Rax (not a suprise there) but we now have his corpse take turns kicking it around the station. He then bragged about shooting blues, I suppose in an effort to try and ruin standings for us. We haven't heard from our allies confirming this, but it's a testament to his character as a scumbag. All we did to him was give him respect, defended him, trusted him and he just turned on us with zero provocation. He's joined ranks in Slackers which I knew he had some contacts in and I guess, to my surprise will continue using his character. If you folks seem him out there, send him some Null and Void his way on my behalf. BOB=FIX FIX=BOB ex MOO = BOB,FIX,Xelas Result standard corp spies corp thefts weakening the enemies
Specture Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.06.14 07:33:00 - [30] Originally by: Righteous Fury I assure you, Malicel is not a BoB FC haha. Or so you think? :O

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