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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2012.01.04 12:45:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:Anyone who disagrees with Jade Constantine's arguments is officially a moron, so I declare. it was an argument ? I took it as sarcasm ..  thats why i liked it. It made me laugh.
Always a good idea to put a bit of humour into an argument to stop it being boring.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers
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Posted - 2012.01.04 12:53:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:NeX is evil because it introduced indestructible player possessions into a game that once prided itself on risk/reward and the cold realistic nature of its game world. While Eve is happy to have players losing the value of a family saloon car when their Titan's explode the NeX commissars decided that Monocles would be invulnerable and eternal because thats the only way they could justify the ridiculous price. This made a mockery of the concept from the beginning and was a very sad day for eve. I'm sorry. I missed the time where I was podded and had to buy my clothes again. Oh wait. That didn't happen. Why would they make clothing that is destroyed when you're podded when no other clothing in the game does that?
Jade Constantine wrote:Its evil because rather than having the new content brought into the game by loyalty point stores with factional agenda and backstory its all plonked down like a badly organized wallmart store with flashing neon $ signs on the outside. How else are they going to introduce clothing?
Jade Constantine wrote:In essence they (and the NeX store) posit that if you are a "loser" in real life (ie don't have a good job nice house and expensive clothes) then you should continue to be a "loser" in your virtual life where the lack of $ fed virtual currency will ensure you continue to dress in thrift store space fashions while aristocratic space bankers laugh at you with mink coats and monocles. Citation needed. I haven't heard one single case of a player calling another player a "loser" because they weren't wearing items from the Noble Exchange. By the way, i'm sensing some issues that you haven't told your psychologist. It isn't CCP's fault that you're a "loser" outside of EVE.
Jade Constantine wrote:So much for playing games to relax and escape your worries for a while in the space opera of New Eden - so much for playing a member of the "capsuleer elite" (who can own planets and access a luxury lifestyle throughout the length and breadth of space. Oh no, these guys want you to be reminded of your RL credit card bills and overdraft everytime you look at some overdressed gimp in a shiny leotard knowing that your capsuleer can't even afford a pair of socks without selling off your fleet of battleships. I thought PLEX could be bought with ingame currency and converted into AUR just the same as a PLEX bought off of CCP or an ETC reseller.
I agree with you to an extent with what you're trying convey but your arguments seem to make no sense. |

oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
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Posted - 2012.01.04 13:00:00 -
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Quote:How else are they going to introduce clothing?
don,t tell me you are naked in this game,can,t handle that We Rabble Because We Care,BC CCP doesn,t seem to care much |

Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers
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Posted - 2012.01.04 13:04:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:don,t tell me you are naked in this game,can,t handle that 1/10 for getting me to reply. And it's called an apostrophe. Use it some time.
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:lets see.. you will fly an interceptor.. engage in battle with other ceptor, you get jammed .. scrambled and hot dropped.. how does taht 500k dollars worth of implants worked for you ? Worth the 500k if you ask me as i'll have 10,000,000 shield which is 50x the amount of shield, armor and hull and Obelisk has. By the time even a quarter of my shield is gone, i'll have logged onto my combat character doing 400,000 damage in a Destroyer.
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:And uber implants for sale is the worst case scenario .. If they sell just ships with those bonuses then .. heh ..  As I mentioned before, the last time CCP even mentioned the idea of bringing in pay-to-win, there was a massive riot in the games main trade hub and (I neglected to put it in the post for those who didn't know) CCP lost a large amount of subscribers. What makes you think they'll even think it will happen? If it does, have fun playing with the 4 other people who would still play this game. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.01.04 13:13:00 -
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Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:Eliminate the Nex store and AUR. It is (was) an attempt to introduce MT which would in time, evolve to "I win" buttons.
I thought CCP got the idea with the massive Jita riot. That was just at the mere idea of pay-to-win items. Imagine what would happen if that idea became reality. That's the problem: CCP got the idea with the PLEX for Remap d+¬b+ácle. Then they forgot that lesson less than six months later. This bout of industrial-grade amnesia got them the Jita riots, the mass unsubs, and 20% layoffsGǪ so I give them about 12 months before they forget it this time, especially with NeX remaining as a constant reminder of what a GÇ£goodGÇ¥ idea they have that might be iterated onGǪ
Quote:How else are they going to introduce clothing? How did they introduce T3, Tier-3 BCs, Orcas, PI CCs, CONCORD equipment, Noctium, SBUs, and any of the other stuff that has been added in recent years? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2012.01.04 13:23:00 -
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Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:I'm sorry. I missed the time where I was podded and had to buy my clothes again. Oh wait. That didn't happen. Why would they make clothing that is destroyed when you're podded when no other clothing in the game does that?
Hmmm implants do it. Monocle describes itself as an implant. Yet its invulnerable. As for "other clothing in the game" I'm guessing you mean the default clothing.
Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:How else are they going to introduce clothing?
Easiest solution chuck it all in the character designer. Slightly more complicated - introduce rarer stuff through the factional loyalty point stores and/or rat drops.
Better solution, combination of the above with player industry to research and manufacture these things perhaps having extremely rare pigments/garments attracting top isk on the player market because they are well, genuinely rare (as opposed to being at the click of every sucker with a CC)
Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:How else are they going to introduce clothing? Citation needed. I haven't heard one single case of a player calling another player a "loser" because they weren't wearing items from the Noble Exchange. By the way, i'm sensing some issues that you haven't told your psychologist. It isn't CCP's fault that you're a "loser" outside of EVE. [/quote]
I don't think you've been paying attention to these forums! But that said, sure, I do probably feel a little more sensitive this year than most years on my RL income because I've put all my worldly wealth into a fixer upper new house, but its not about me really. My point is that people play games to relax and suspend their disbelief. Being continually reminded of the bank account balance to purchase virtual clothing in game is just a slap in the face really.
Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:I thought PLEX could be bought with ingame currency and converted into AUR just the same as a PLEX bought off of CCP or an ETC reseller.I agree with you to an extent with what you're trying convey but your arguments seem to make no sense.
Well you aren't really trying to follow them otherwise you'd see why the ISK->PLEX->Aurum is such a problem by denying traditional gameplay in eve online for starters. As for the rest, well, have a deeper think about it is my best advise.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
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Posted - 2012.01.04 13:26:00 -
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Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:don,t tell me you are naked in this game,can,t handle that 1/10 for getting me to reply. And it's called an apostrophe. Use it some time.
you must be a teacher ,who brings his job to these boards pls relax m8 yeah i know, m8 = mate sorry for that We Rabble Because We Care,BC CCP doesn,t seem to care much |

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.04 16:08:00 -
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Atticus Lowa wrote:
correction, no sane person spends THAT much money on cosmetic items in ANY game, dumb insane people spend that kind of money on advanced weaponry, not a friggen monocle.
my gear was bought on the market for low prices (40 mill is not alot of money guys, even if i don't make that much every day right now)
anyways... i think the basic idea can work... the aurum costs need to be deflated, i thought CCP tested economic theroy when planning? oh well
Sanity is relative. But, your point is understood. The fact that you bought items on the isk market demonstrates that people are willing to purchase these items...just not at the prices CCP wants. Just remember, that the items you purchased were available through the free aurum that CCP handed out to "excite" the population. I, myself, even have a pair of boots somewhere that I purchased for mere pennies on the dollar that were available on the isk market after such give aways.
Jade wrote: NeX is evil...
Jade made some good points about why the NeX never should have been allowed in the game. It is creepage that the playerbase is fearful of. However, I would say that IF CCP had developed the NeX with their playerbase at the forefront of its development rather than their lustful greed that such an MT market would have worked, would have been popular and would have marginalized the nay sayers.
What the NeX should have been is an inclusive feature rather than an exclusive feature that delineated it as such via its price structure which ultimately only made sense to participate in on a regular basis for the top 1% of the playerbase. The rest of the populace could only look at the NeX for the rare item that made sense to their financial sensibilities.
Had the NeX been structured like the game where even though there are a few really expensive ships that most people dream of owning one day, there are still plenty of ships to choose from with which to have fun and play the game. No, the NeX pricing structure should have indeed emphasized "micro" in the transactions. Clothing should have been part of it but not the totality of it. There are many more vanity items that could have been offered that still have much greater demand than say an eye implant that you can't see without full zoom on the character's avatar or worse importing it into a graphics program with which to zoom even further to get any detail from the implant.
With the right pricing and offerings the NeX would have 'become' a feature of the game like any other. It would have woven itself into the fabric of the game rather than remain the thorn that it is and will continue to be with such poor offerings at such ridiculous pricing.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.01.04 18:07:00 -
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BLACK-STAR wrote:Lacks sufficient content.
OP or NEX store? |

BLACK-STAR
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Posted - 2012.01.04 18:49:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:BLACK-STAR wrote:Lacks sufficient content. OP or NEX store? NEX. It's also brutally over priced.
yesterday I bought myself a reallife shirt. It was remarkably cheaper than two or more NEX apparels.
I didn't miss the point whereas I can buy PLEX with ISK to convert to AUR, it's still a waste of ISK. [img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img] |

Lord Ryan
True Xero
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Posted - 2012.01.04 20:02:00 -
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Must have assless chaps! -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |

Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers
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Posted - 2012.01.05 01:03:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Hmmm implants do it. Monocle describes itself as an implant. Yet its invulnerable. As for "other clothing in the game" I'm guessing you mean the default clothing. Flavour text =/= item type. The flavour text for the monocle also says "the Looking Glass monocle interface offers advanced vision augmentation beyond the capabilities of all comparable prosthetics or upgrades." but when I equip it my vision isn't augmented at all. Why? Because it's flavour text and is just there to give the game more depth.
Jade Constantine wrote:Easiest solution chuck it all in the character designer. Slightly more complicated - introduce rarer stuff through the factional loyalty point stores and/or rat drops.
Better solution, combination of the above with player industry to research and manufacture these things perhaps having extremely rare pigments/garments attracting top isk on the player market because they are well, genuinely rare (as opposed to being at the click of every sucker with a CC) How does that promote MT? Oh wait. It doesn't which is the sole reason for the Noble Exchange.
Jade Constantine wrote:I don't think you've been paying attention to these forums! But that said, sure, I do probably feel a little more sensitive this year than most years on my RL income because I've put all my worldly wealth into a fixer upper new house, but its not about me really. My point is that people play games to relax and suspend their disbelief. Being continually reminded of the bank account balance to purchase virtual clothing in game is just a slap in the face really. Especially when the $ price on the virtual clothing is combined with gameplay detriment and a less value for money in your basic subscription. Citation still needed. I've still never seen someone insulted on the basis of not owning a Noble Exchange item.
Jade Constantine wrote:Well you aren't really trying to follow them otherwise you'd see why the ISK->PLEX->Aurum is such a problem by denying traditional gameplay in eve online for starters. As for the rest, well, have a deeper think about it is my best advise. Traditional gameplay? Please enlighten me. |

Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers
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Posted - 2012.01.05 01:13:00 -
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Tippia wrote:That's the problem: CCP got the idea with the PLEX for Remap d+¬b+ácle. Then they forgot that lesson less than six months later. This bout of industrial-grade amnesia got them the Jita riots, the mass unsubs, and 20% layoffsGǪ so I give them about 12 months before they forget it this time, especially with NeX remaining as a constant reminder of what a GÇ£goodGÇ¥ idea they have that might be iterated onGǪ Honestly, tell me without lying, do you think they'll try again? I know CCP have made some mistakes in the past that were stupid (with the Noble Exchange being one of the biggest) but CCP isn't run by braindead idiots with no idea about business.
Tippia wrote:How did they introduce T3, Tier-3 BCs, Orcas, PI CCs, CONCORD equipment, Noctium, SBUs, and any of the other stuff that has been added in recent years? Vanity items =/= T3, Tier-3 BCs, Orcas, PI CCs, CONCORD equipment, Noctium, SBUs or any of the other stuff that has been added in recent years. Why? Microtransactions. CCP aren't going to introduce something that is meant to be bought with real money in the same way they introduced something that is meant to be bought with ISK.
Lord Ryan wrote:Must have assless chaps! These must be added in with the thongs! BTW, http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3DQ2svmqkRa0I (NSFW). |

Unraveller Chase
OrdoDraconis The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2012.03.26 01:07:00 -
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Yeah who's stupid enough to buy a monocle and nex Clothing anyways ..... I mean..... |

Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:25:00 -
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I wouldn't mind, if they closed the NEX down - I got everything I wanted... |

Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:37:00 -
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Nex is soooo unpopular, but I think they should sell real-life eve store goods for Aurum ! Save the Miners! |
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