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bjone6
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Posted - 2007.06.14 02:05:00 -
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Can an individual player/corp really affect the market prices of ores? For example, the game only respawns asteriods at certain intervals. If an individual or corporation or alliance were to collect as much of an ore could it affect the markets?
There is basically an infinite amount of minerals in the game it's just availability that is finite? Help...I'm so confused.
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bjone6
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Posted - 2007.06.14 03:57:00 -
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I guess this was a dumb question.
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Macdeth
Ephemeral Misgivings
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Posted - 2007.06.14 04:04:00 -
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You can affect the local availability, and thus price, for as long as it takes for others' logistical efforts and profit-seeking to correct it.
Before freighters were added to the game, I spiked trit, pye, mexallon, and the high-sec ores in Domain and Tash-Murkin and made billions by controlling both the buy & sell side of hub market orders for the minerals and 0.8-1.0 ores in those regions.
Since all people had available then were Iteron Vs, the inflow of low-end minerals from other regions was not sufficient to break my hold on trit/pye, though sometimes people would start importing enough mexallon that I'd have to slash my margins to scare them away again. I did this successfully, especially in Amarr, for about five months following Exodus (and remote trade skills' introduction to the game) and before a combination of fleeing battleship producers plus a big crew of macrominers in Amarr drowned me in an oversupply of trit that took months to sell off at a slight loss.
Between carriers for importing stockpiles of mid- to high-ends and freighters for moving low-ends (plus npc orders for trit), you'll find it difficult to affect things for very long in any lively regional market. I'm not sure what the odds of great success would be, when playing with a deader one.
Nowadays even macro-scale attempts to manipulate mineral markets seem to be corrected within a couple days. (Which is not to say you can't make a lot of money in that timeframe)
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Johnathan Roark
Caldari
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.06.14 05:17:00 -
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Few years ago the alliance I was in managed to influence the price of zyd up. I dont think it would be as possible now as much volume hits the market.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2007.06.14 12:14:00 -
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No. Freighters and Carriers pretty much killed any possibility of you doing this for any long length of time.
Perhaps for a day or two, and as mentioned it's not like you couldn't make a pretty penny doing so, but the market corrects pretty damn quick when it comes to ore prices. |
bjone6
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Posted - 2007.06.14 13:35:00 -
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So basically the game automatically corrects against hoarding ore by having a relative infinite amount of resources?
I thought that would be a good career path. Having a strangehold on the ore.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.06.14 13:41:00 -
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 Originally by: bjone6
So basically the game automatically corrects against hoarding ore by having a relative infinite amount of resources? I thought that would be a good career path. Having a strangehold on the ore.
Not the game mate... the marketplace itself.
The Eve-Online forums may not have invented whining, but they sure have perfected it.
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Marodi Julita
Sublime Captial Investments
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Posted - 2007.06.14 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: bjone6
So basically the game automatically corrects against hoarding ore by having a relative infinite amount of resources? I thought that would be a good career path. Having a strangehold on the ore.
Not the game mate... the marketplace itself.
The beauty of capitalism
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Algorithm 5
Caldari
Hakata Group
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.14 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: Algorithm 5 on 14/06/2007 18:52:28
Originally by: Macdeth
You can affect the local availability, and thus price, for as long as it takes for others' logistical efforts and profit-seeking to correct it.
Perfect summary. Which means the only fertile grounds for this is low-sec or 0.0 and even that warily.
I made my first ever billion isk deal introducing arbitrage to the mex market in Aridia. It was ridiculously low (15 below empire) and I sucked 80m mex out of the place in a week.
I suppose I could have easily pushed onwards and spiked it, but then I imagine mex would have been slurped in from 0.0 and I'd have had my ass kicked, since I was only geared (cash-wise) for that one large purchase, I didn't have any backup.
In retrospect, the fact there was a Nyx camping the Zinkon to Vehan gate at the time probably helped too :)
Take a look at the low-sec and in particular 0.0 strontium markets, those can get interesting (although only to a point until snoop probe recycling kicks in)
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Dal Thrax
Caldari
Multiverse Corporation
The Core Collective
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Posted - 2007.06.14 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Johnathan Roark
Few years ago the alliance I was in managed to influence the price of zyd up. I dont think it would be as possible now as much volume hits the market.
Well if somebody put a lot of thought into it and figured out which modules took the most of X mineral (without being 100% X) and there was demand for all that they could produce at an OK price, you might be able to dry up the mineral supply for awhile. Don't recommend try it in Jita of course.
Dal
Things I learned playing PnP RPGs:
1)Always assume that the players will bring the maximum available firepower against a peaceful objective.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.06.15 04:57:00 -
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IF you were rich enough you could. But you'd have to be VERY rich and have the support of a lot of hulk pilots, at least 30-40 id say.
And by rich enough I mean at least 50-100 billion isk, if not more.
You'd have to be able to buy up insane amounts of a particular mineral or two while at the same time having all your hulk pilots mining out the main ore that yields that mineral. You'd have to do this across all empire regions. It would either make you billions or lose you billions, hard to tell. It honestly depends if the supply of that mineral increases more than you can handle. If you had trillions of ISK you could artificially keep the price high for a very long time, but it would be costing you a lot of money to do so.
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