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GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.04 09:15:00 -
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Mandatory voting on something that 80% of the playerbase doesn't know anything about just leads to people clicking for whoever happens to be the first name they see on the voting screen.
So either you randomise the order of candidates, which means the mandatory uninformed votes are distributed equally and so have no bearing on the result, or you don't, which means the first name on the list gets to be chair regardless of affiliation, ability, or campaign. |

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GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.04 09:42:00 -
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Nothing is stopping empire candidates from organising a CSM campaign of their own except their lack of competence and effort.
And as highseccers are so fond of telling us, 80% of players live in highsec and have no interest in 0.0 matters at all, so taking the Chair position on some sort of Empire First platform should be like candy from a baby, right? |

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GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.05 00:37:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:In other words... Don't change anything because then Goonswarm can't control the CSM and keep The Mittani in his seat. 
In other words...
abloobloobloo I am mad because somebody I dont like got voted into CSM a bloo bloo bloo 
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GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.05 21:16:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:Mandatory voting on something that 80% of the playerbase doesn't know anything about just leads to people clicking for whoever happens to be the first name they see on the voting screen.
So either you randomise the order of candidates, which means the mandatory uninformed votes are distributed equally and so have no bearing on the result, or you don't, which means the first name on the list gets to be chair regardless of affiliation, ability, or campaign. This would lead to better selection of CSMs than the joke we have now. 
CSM 6 has been the most effective CSM to date in bringing solid, tangible improvements to every single section of the Eve playerbase. Fact.
Sorry that you're so rage-blinded about your hulks getting ganked or something.  ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

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GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.06 11:01:00 -
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Hirana Yoshida wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:CSM 6 has been the most effective CSM to date in bringing solid, tangible improvements to every single section of the Eve playerbase. Fact. Sorry that you're so rage-blinded about your hulks getting ganked or something.  Let me guess, the proof of that is unfortunately heavily NDA'd so we will just have to take your word for it? 
The proof is plain for everyone to see, since 6 was the first CSM to actually get anything meaningful done. CSM 1-5's main achievements were in generating a massive backlog of outstanding issues (without ever getting CCP to look at implementing any of them), generating layers of petty drama and CSM bureaucracy to smother any attempts at useful work in, throwing spoons at each other, resigning in protest at some pet issue or other (which again, made no impact whatsoever with CCP), and breaking NDAs for personal gain.
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

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GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.06 13:42:00 -
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Hirana Yoshida wrote:Let's assume for arguments sake that "your" CSM were not merely lucky as I claim. Its not "your" CSM, its "the" CSM.
(fun fact, there's been Goonswarm/Goonswarm Federation members on every single CSM to date)
Quote:That would mean that they used social engineering to intentionally cause the failscade, aka. incite the riot, and are directly responsible for the sacking of 100+ people and Goddess knows what other fallout has yet to be identified.
Are "my precious!' sanctums and the virtual currency grind important enough to wreck 100+ lives, even if temporarily?
So which is it: Lucky as hell or Evil, possibly guilty of breaking several laws?
Without the 'summer of rage' we saw last year shaking some sense into CCP there's a good chance they would have had to let go 100% of their staff rather than 20%.
But please go on and tell us more about how CSM6 are literally real life criminals. ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

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GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.07 10:53:00 -
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Ariete wrote:Ok so i haven't played this game that long, but i have good and bad experience of the politics of MMORPG's.
Personally i think the CSM's shouldn't be elected, having elected CSM's seems to favour one type of player or play style. Having CSM's nominated instead allows for a much broad range of CSM's from the player base. It would allow CCP to choose players who represent the player base better i.e. RP'ers, Mission Runners, Industrialist and PVP'ers You don't see any problem with CCP staff hand-picking the people they want to use for consultation and advice?
Silly question, no, of course you don't see the problem. ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

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GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.08 09:23:00 -
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Tiger's Spirit wrote: Solution :
33.333% of CSM members from 0.0 sec 33.333% of CSM members from low sec 33.333% of CSM members from high sec
Excellent plan.
By forcing the CSM to include less capable highsec players through positive discrimination, rather than allowing the election to only choose the best candidates, it means that they'll be more susceptible to manipulation by the more knowledgeable and politically adept 0.0 and lowsec members.
We'll have Jita made into a 0.4 and halve the EHP of mining barges within a matter of months!  ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
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