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DHU InMe
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Posted - 2004.01.14 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: DHU InMe on 20/01/2004 17:53:15
Right now, the belt are pouring of veldspar...
We all find the tritanium we need in others ores.
m3 = metric cube
unit = 1
1 Tritanium worth 1 isk. When rafined, 333 unit of veldspar give 750 tritanium.
Veldspar give:
-2,3 isk/unit
-22,5 isk/m3 (the important value since it related to m3 and m3 is related to time).
We could(to make veldspar more worthless):
-decrese size at 0.05m3 and decrease 550 mineral par value. So it would give
-1,7 isk/unit
-33 isk/m3
-add some Pyerite, Mexallon, or Isongen.(imo, less recomandable solution)
Base ore worth (fixed on average value of trit 1, pye 4, mex 16, iso 64, nox 256).
Scordite 37,5
Pyroxeres 43,0
Plagioclase 41,2
The missions aren't enough important to mine veldspar.
The veldspar blocking the place are sometime mined. Not enough...
Still, in most belt, there still a lot of Veldspar asteroid that continu to grow unlike other baby asteroid respawn.
Nice links (updated 20 Dec 04):
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2004.01.14 16:49:00 -
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Yeah, we need Megacyte in Veldspar or Zydrine.
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.01.14 16:53:00 -
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how abaut random bistot spawn .... whuld make roidbelt exploring worthvile (by random i mean that Rare ore spanw in all secsystem in random (small amaunts) order everyvere)
meaning they might be a fat jouicy Spodumain roid hiding somewere in 1.0 system... Rarely ofcorse..
whuld be like lottery winning for some n00b 
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.01.14 17:03:00 -
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Easy solution: remove trit from other roids. Shortage of trit, price goes up, it becomes worthwhile to mine veldspar.
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Alessandra
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Posted - 2004.01.14 17:18:00 -
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Here's a thought: maybe Tritanium is -meant- to be common and cheap as all get-up? ;)
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TekRa
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Posted - 2004.01.14 17:23:00 -
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Why does rare ore only spawn out of empire anyway? surly the rocks don't have a mind of their own, and prefer to stay away from safe space?
bah, i hate minin anyway. 
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Chai N'Dorr
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Posted - 2004.01.14 17:34:00 -
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Why does rare ore only spawn out of empire anyway? surly the rocks don't have a mind of their own, and prefer to stay away from safe space?
bah, i hate minin anyway.
NPC rats mine it... didn't you know that?
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Prophecy
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Posted - 2004.01.14 17:34:00 -
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Veldspar is belt filler. It's the junk that's always going to be there in the way while miners are trying to get at the ore they actually want. It makes sense that it's practically worthless.
Megacyte in Veld. Trit shortages. Randomized bistot appearances. This thread was worth a chuckle. 
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Mjolnir
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Posted - 2004.01.14 17:41:00 -
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I dont see how veldspar is worthless if your a large shipbuilder that is one larger problems, is finding a good supply of trit. The other ores with maybe the execption of scordite dont have sufficent trit to be worth mining for it.
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We all find the tritanium we need in others ores.
Well i try to mine veldspar any chance I get.
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1 Tritanium worth 1 isk
Yes thats the npc price, but you'll also find corporations willing to pay more sometimes double the price.
Just because you cant find any use for it doesnt mean its a worthless ore. All ores are good good for getting a lot of one mineral out of IE Ark is best source of mega, Crokite is best source of zydrine, Darkorche is best source of Nocxium etc.
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YoYonis
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Posted - 2004.01.14 18:18:00 -
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Hmmm... i get 950 trit per refine. Must be the skills.
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Nostradamu5
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Posted - 2004.01.14 18:29:00 -
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Why does rare ore only spawn out of empire anyway? surly the rocks don't have a mind of their own, and prefer to stay away from safe space?
Actually TekRa, rare ore dose respawn in safe empire space, during the suposed downtime, Polaris volunteers are allowed to go mine it then give minerals to players that don't bother them.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.01.14 20:27:00 -
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Why does rare ore only spawn out of empire anyway? surly the rocks don't have a mind of their own, and prefer to stay away from safe space?
The supply of arkonor in Luminaire was totally mined out decades - if not centuries - ago, by the Federation. Nothing left for freelancers.
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JackDonkey
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Posted - 2004.01.14 20:37:00 -
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In empire space I start on one end of the belt and continue to the other side, one day I may make it. I don't care what I mine, my spreadsheet is at home so I know full well what I'm giving up by mining veldspar instead of whatever. Looking for ore takes time and flying an idustrial around huge veldspar roids takes time so I just mine anything and everything.
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DHU InMe
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Posted - 2004.01.14 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: DHU InMe on 14/01/2004 21:19:07
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Easy solution: remove trit from other roids. Shortage of trit, price goes up, it becomes worthwhile to mine veldspar.
I tough of it, but it will make the average miner salary of low ore go down and have to balance other ore or jobs (pirates, missions).
Eve if somes corp pay 2, most of corp buy order at 1.01 or 1.05... and I prefer mining pyrox or other ores making a lot more (66-77% average more) $/m3 than a cheap veldspar....
Tritanium buy at higher cost make item sell higher...
PS: Also, the [refinings skills here] don't matter since it proportionnal
Nice links (updated 20 Dec 04):
BP, bugs about them.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.01.14 21:22:00 -
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Suggestions about the rare random high end ore fragment in high security belt as a treat has been popping up ever so often in the Idea Lab.
Feed the noob! I'd never bore myself to sleep mining there regardless...
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Skaz
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Posted - 2004.01.14 21:22:00 -
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Out of all those ideas only one seems to be rather nice, since the devs are obviously somewhat fond of Lotteries....(Potturinn er 6-faldur ß laugardaginn )
Why not make it so that an odd high end ore asteroid appears once in a while in a belt? Would do wonders for the n00bs.
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OFFT
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Posted - 2004.01.14 22:28:00 -
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Had to post this : VELDSPAR ...Worthless , maybe not ????
How much space does Miner 2's take ?
 
Objectives
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To complete the mission, the following must be performed by you:
7326 units of Veldspar must be transported from Hogimo V - Moon 11 - Deep Core Mining Inc. Mining Outpost to Kamio VI - Moon 7 - Sukuuvestaa Corporation Production Plant
Rewards
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Upon completing the mission, the following will be awarded to you:
54432 credits
Bonus Rewards
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The following bonuses may be awarded to you:
sixteen units of Plasma Pulse Generator at Hogimo V - Moon 11 - Deep Core Mining Inc. Mining Outpost - will be yours if you complete the mission in 1 hour
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Claus
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Posted - 2004.01.14 22:35:00 -
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Trit already sells for 1.69 on sell orders.
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Klaatu Verrato
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Posted - 2004.01.14 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Klaatu Verrato on 14/01/2004 22:49:06
Edited by: Klaatu Verrato on 14/01/2004 22:47:45
Veldspar can be very useful at times. As a relatively small time manufactorer, veldspar is the best source of trit, and if you've ever made anything, trit is used in everything. When you need minerals for a bs, and your short 1mil isk, you'd be wasting time mining anything else.
Also pre-castor (when you had planet-sized Veld), I'd mine Veld just to get the buggers out of the way, so I could access other, smaller ores with greater ease.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.14 22:49:00 -
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I've placed orders for Veldspar at rates above the profit per m3 of Scordite. What happened?
Nobody noticed 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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Cael
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Posted - 2004.01.19 14:52:00 -
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Veldspar should simply be 0.75m3 instead of 1, it won't make it that much more valuable but it will help it's value :)
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Cael
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Posted - 2004.01.19 23:41:00 -
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Quote:
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Veldspar should simply be 0.75m3 instead of 1, it won't make it that much more valuable but it will help it's value :)
Ppl will take them a lot less. It will worsen the things. (Actual is 0.1m3) 0.75m3 is 7.5 time more worst...
I actualy meant 0.075, or 25% smaller.
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Cael
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Posted - 2004.01.20 21:04:00 -
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Christ I hate the people on these forums.
Anyway, I don't think adding new minerals in veld is the answer, after all CCP wants miners to go in lower security status to get better minerals
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Christopher Xen
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Posted - 2004.01.20 22:54:00 -
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Reason there is an over abundance of veldspar is simple.
CCP is making scordite and other minerals smaller in empire space to force out the large macro-mining battleship equipped corps out into lower if not 0.0 sec space to make room and less competition for new players and when the game is introduced to other regions and countries in the world.
Many criticize CCP for this but pull back and think, that if you were just starting you and a group of other noobs have to go into .4 space where the npcs are harder and they are subject to people in my line of work preying upon them when they are not ready to deal with such threats.
I think that people and corps whom are far more experianced say 2 mil to 3 mil tops in skill points should be forced into lower sec space. To leave room for more younger and less experianced players to grow and develope the way all us 5-7 month olds were able too.
1.0-.6 space should be used strictly for a.) manufacturers to deliver thier goods to a safe market. b.)for newer players to grow and prosper and prepare for more challenging avenues that await them.
Alot of people are hard pressed in empire for more players, but new players should have the option to successfully grow and produce thier own "mega-corps" like TTI of old and Techell once had the ability to do.
Thats my opinion I could be wrong.
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Cael
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Posted - 2004.01.22 23:28:00 -
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Look at it this way:
They nerfed ores in most empire space systems, and on the other hand they made NPC pirates one hell of a lot tougher, especially for miners.
Result: I see more and more people in 0.5 systems and the fields in higher sec systems are all strip mined by BS miners.
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