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Delnas
White-Noise
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.15 07:33:00 -
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After searching the forums for an answer I came across alot of really old threads, and no answer. So, lets try a new thread.
Has the skill Fast Talk ever been fixed so that it gives the additional 5% bonus to secruity status when you kill an NPC?
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RaTTuS
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Posted - 2007.06.15 09:37:00 -
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I think it does work .. execpt that it is extra 5% of what you get f4rom the rat
so if the rat is giving you 1% then you get 1.05% with it @ level 1
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Delnas
White-Noise
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.15 16:35:00 -
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Yeah, I typed that abit skewed. >.< Thats what I ment, not what I said.
Is anybody sure it works, or does not work?
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SencneS
Amarr
Balsarferskratchin Inc
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: SencneS on 15/06/2007 19:35:36
That's not the way I understood the skill...
If you read Connections and Criminal Connections it has this as the descriptor.
Skill at interacting with friendly NPCs. 4% Bonus to effective standing toward friendly NPC Corporations.
Fast Talk's descriptor is..
Skill at interacting with Concord. 5% Bonus to effective security rating increase.
So the way I understand it, it takes your current Security Standing and applies 5% per level for an effective Security Standing.
So a -10.0 Security standing with Fast Talk V is actually -6.2 or -5.0 Depending on how it works the math. If it's like the connections skill it's -6.2. If it like Diplomacy it's -5.0
EDIT:- I guess you could test it out.. Get Fast Talk V, get -10 standing and see how far you can travel into Empire without being Concorded..
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:46:00 -
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SencneS, the Fast Talk description is more like the Social one than the Connections one. "Skill at social interaction. 5% Bonus to NPC agent, corporation and faction standing increase." It's talking about the standing increase, not the effective standing.
Also Connections and Diplomacy work exactly the same. 4% of the difference between current standing and +10.
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SencneS
Amarr
Balsarferskratchin Inc
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.15 20:01:00 -
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Diplomacy gives you a 0.4 standing increase per level.. If you have Diplomacy 1 and have -1.0 with a corp, your effective standing is -0.6. If you have -2.0 it's -1.6. It's a flat increase not a % increase like Connections skills.
It's hard to say with Fast Talk because it said - 5% Bonus to effective security rating increase.
If it said - Increases - then it would be as a 5% on every sec increase. Note the "Effective Security" indicating there is a Security rating just like Standing, and an Effective Security just like Effective Standing.
Which to me tells me - If you're sec standing is -5.0 each level of Fast Talk gives a 5% increase to your over all standing.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.16 19:52:00 -
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 Originally by: SencneS
Diplomacy gives you a 0.4 standing increase per level.. If you have Diplomacy 1 and have -1.0 with a corp, your effective standing is -0.6. If you have -2.0 it's -1.6. It's a flat increase not a % increase like Connections skills.
Either you don't have the diplomacy skill yourself, or you have never looked at your negative standings.
I have diplomacy 3 and will list a couple of my standings:
A standing of -8.21 is modified to -6.03; difference of 2.18 (not 1.2 as you say). 2.18 is equal to 12% of 18.21 (the difference between +10 and -8.21).
A standing of -4.00 is modified to -2.32; difference of 1.68, 12% of 14.
Conclusion: diplomacy works exactly like connections. The bonus in the skill description is worded wrong.
Now on to the descriptions:
Connections: 4% Bonus to effective standing towards friendly NPC Corporations.
Diplomacy: 0.4 Bonus per level to effective standing towards hostile Agents.
Social: 5% Bonus to NPC agent, corporation and faction standing increase.
Fast Talk: 5% Bonus to effective security rating increase.
Connections and Diplomacy give bonusses to the standing.
Social and Fast Talk give bonusses to the standing/rating increase.
The "effective" might confuse you, but it doesn't make difference to the argument. It is an adjective modifying "standing" or "standing increase". The difference between the two remains.
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Marine HK4861
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.17 02:25:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Connections: 4% Bonus to effective standing towards friendly NPC Corporations.
Diplomacy: 0.4 Bonus per level to effective standing towards hostile Agents.
One caveat to Estel's post is that skill used for faction standing over-rides all others.
If you have negative faction standing, Diplomacy is used for all corps and agents of that faction, even if you have positive standings towards them.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.17 09:22:00 -
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Of course. I got a bit caught up in discussing the numbers so I forgot to mention that part 
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