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Alapesha
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Posted - 2007.06.25 19:42:00 -
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I just have one question really.
Why does the Wolf/Jaguar, have better all round shield resists covering each resist quite nicely where as all the other assault frigates are left out in the cold with a gaping hole in the EM area, and it gets the added fun of an extra low slot - and all my poor harpy has is an extra high slot... and its not even a weapon slot - i crai, well a little bit.
Can someone explain to me the logic behind this?
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Hrin
Minmatar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.06.25 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Alapesha I just have one question really.
Why does the Wolf/Jaguar, have better all round shield resists covering each resist quite nicely where as all the other assault frigates are left out in the cold with a gaping hole in the EM area, and it gets the added fun of an extra low slot - and all my poor harpy has is an extra high slot... and its not even a weapon slot - i crai, well a little bit.
Can someone explain to me the logic behind this?
Racial resists and racial enemies. Minmatar harden against Em and Thermal, the damage types of lasers. The amarr harden against kinetic and explosive.
It would perhaps be better to armor tank a wolf, fyi. 2 mid slots don't quite make a good pvp shield tank.
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KD.Fluffy
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.06.25 21:17:00 -
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Quote: I recently took out a rigged Harpy in my Thrasher... and my skills are far from perfect.
Liang
yeah, it was a pretty crap fit. Not much point to an AF with a destro with a damage bonus
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.06.25 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Alapesha I just have one question really.
Why does the Wolf/Jaguar, have better all round shield resists covering each resist quite nicely where as all the other assault frigates are left out in the cold with a gaping hole in the EM area, and it gets the added fun of an extra low slot - and all my poor harpy has is an extra high slot... and its not even a weapon slot - i crai, well a little bit.
Can someone explain to me the logic behind this?
The "logic" has been explained, but I haven't often heard somebody complain about how good Minni T2 resists are. Sometimes they are, no doubt: see Jag and Vaga, for instance. But usually it's quite the opposite, given the dominance of armor tanks in PvP.
Keep in mind also that kinetic and thermal are usually going to be the most common damage types anyway, PvP or E. I guess that doesn't help if you're dead set on say, running missions against Sansha. But you've always got the option of training other ships.
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Cpt Branko
Guardian Heroes
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Posted - 2007.06.26 09:32:00 -
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I'd much rather have a Wolf with Enyo's resists. Having two holes in your armour resists is bad for an armour tanker.
What resists you like having up really depends on wether you're tanking shield or armour.
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Rane Javoke
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.26 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sy New AF bonuses
Retribution: 5% RoF Vengeance: 5% all armour resistances
Hawk: 5% missile RoF or 5% missile flight time Harpy: 5% all shield resistances
Enyo: 5% less penalty to max capacitor (or maybe 5% falloff) Ishkur: (something other than 10% to drone hitpoints and damage)
Wolf: 7.5% tracking or 5% RoF Jaguar: 7.5% tracking or 5% RoF
fair enough, without overpowering them. Actually the resistance bonuses are totally useless, since as with any t2 ship the resistances should be built-in.
Also, bump for great justice!! Make AFs viable and at least equal to well-fitted pvp cruisers in all scenarios plz..
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Cmdr Sy
IMPERIAL SENATE
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:48:00 -
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I should clarify, I mean those resistance bonuses on top of their existing resistances.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tsanse Kinske 4. The Escort route. Completely rework them, and give them a unique ability to draw fire from protected ships with a special module.
You know, this is a great idea. In every other MMO, the tanks have some way to taunt and draw fire on themselves. But not in EVE.
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Cpt Branko
Guardian Heroes
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Posted - 2007.06.27 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Originally by: Tsanse Kinske 4. The Escort route. Completely rework them, and give them a unique ability to draw fire from protected ships with a special module.
You know, this is a great idea. In every other MMO, the tanks have some way to taunt and draw fire on themselves. But not in EVE.
Not so in EVE, because EVE doesn't revolve around killing stupid NPCs, but rather players with brains...
Not a good idea, really. Just give the AFs 10% less weight and make the resists in-built, so they can get some sort of a useful bonus like all T2 ships.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.06.27 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Originally by: Tsanse Kinske 4. The Escort route. Completely rework them, and give them a unique ability to draw fire from protected ships with a special module.
You know, this is a great idea. In every other MMO, the tanks have some way to taunt and draw fire on themselves. But not in EVE.
Not really my idea. The "Escort Ship" name is CCP's own original idea of the ships, and the module is something I've heard talked about on these forums. Again though, I don't know how technically feasible it is. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.06.27 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Originally by: Tsanse Kinske 4. The Escort route. Completely rework them, and give them a unique ability to draw fire from protected ships with a special module.
You know, this is a great idea. In every other MMO, the tanks have some way to taunt and draw fire on themselves. But not in EVE.
Not so in EVE, because EVE doesn't revolve around killing stupid NPCs, but rather players with brains...
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To differentiate it from logistics ships, it would have to be a sort of "reverse ecm or damp". i.e., it would make a specific ship more difficult to target.
Quote: Just give the AFs 10% less weight and make the resists in-built, so they can get some sort of a useful bonus like all T2 ships.
Well, if you look at my original post, I sort of agree with you. That would be the most fun for me, as I like flying my glorified Rifters. The problem is that it still steps on the toes of Intys, Cruisers, and Destroyers, and would make T1 Frigs into pure rookie ships. It just shifts the problem instead of fixing it by giving AFs something different.
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MrRookie
Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L
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Posted - 2007.06.27 04:55:00 -
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I say give them resistance to NOS and nearly immunity at maxed skills instead of the current resitance bonus. Also smaller sig and boost the speed a bit, that way they could be the ultimate big ship killers in frig sized gangs. Seems like something special
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Cpt Branko
Guardian Heroes
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Posted - 2007.06.27 09:46:00 -
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Making them more resistant to the classic way of disabling small ships (NOS) is perhaps a OK thing to do.
I'd rather leave them as they are instead of inventing some annoying 'aggro' mechanic in relation to players.
If you want the 'escort' route, then think about this: what should they 'escort' against? If you want them to escort against inties, then just give them a 20% per level tracking bonus, while making their resists inbuilt. And a role-bonus: 25% decrease in gun sig resolution. They'd unrivalled anti-tackler escorts in a gang, then. It would mess up inties / T1 frigs badly, though. The Hawk is a good anti-interceptor escort as it stands, I hear.
I don't know what else makes sense to escort *against*.
However, I don't think that removing 10% off their mass would make them step on the toes of their interceptor cousins or T1 frigs, as they'd still have a lot more mass then the T1 frigs they're based on. The extra agility would quite possibly be a life-saver.
After all, let's compare the Wolf to the Rifter. The Wolf has 725000 extra mass. That's like sticking 3x400mm plate on a Rifter - don't you think that's a bit excessive? Can hardly qualify as 'stepping on the toes of interceptors' ;P
As for T1 frigs, even with the proper fourth bonus and the mass reduction, two well-fitted T1 frigs would still badly murder a typical AF, at a fraction of the cost.
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