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PuncherDavis
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Posted - 2004.01.15 02:17:00 -
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Ok I cant takes it cause I cant stands it no more.. Here I sit in my bestower doing 196 m/s with yes a whopping bigger cargo hold and yes I can warp to within 15km of a gate but guess what...... I aint saved any time with the new 3au jump speed for a couple reasons..
1. warp in at 15km jump at 2500 hmmm 12500 of slow boat time at 196 m/s (old way warp in at 20km jump at 10-12km usually and drive 8 km but hell at 445 m/s) U do the math..
Great my base cargo was 9200 last time now its 13k 5 k more but who cars im still going a hell of a lot slower.
Also I can no longer by 125,000 units of one thing at a station I have to buy up the price then go get it and jump to 9 stations in 6 systems to selldown the price which once again due to my slow travel time takes a hell of a lot longer then it did before.
Or better yet now that I travel so slow when going to a gate the PVP guys just take thier time ur dead before ya know it despite what eve says about ur client not loading before you do....
Also give the hauler enough power to mount a 10mn microwarp drive I mean come on a cruiser weighs les then a bestower does it does not make any sense they would not develope something that would move it around at similiar speeds. I mean come on a hauler is just a big can its got loads of room to carry stuff
Im just cruious are u trying to kill trade are you trying to make it so we cant haul 10 million trit without it taking all day.... ARe you trying to get me to read new books on new games that go faster... Heck I know your trying to keep me hooked but some action from actually selling the minerals is what is going to keep me hooked to eve not runnig around compating the symetry of stargates.. Some how I think you guys got it in your head that the longer we stay on the more excited we get about watching star gates.
Why in the world do you think so many people have gone to PVP to get some enterrainment... With the NPC situation you cannot even get that without getting the BS you worked 60 hours on blown up and because everybody dont want to mine the prices are through the roof and nobody wants to risk it...
CCP you need to do serious rethink on this stuff the object is fun and watching 8 systems go buy at this slow rate is anything but. GIve the hauler a MWD for it or increase the power or whatever just make it more bearable. I got 40 people whining in my ear when I ask to haul cause it takes so freaking long....
DID i say hauling takes way to long already ooh I did well here let me say it again....
HAULING TAKES TO LONG TAKE BACK THE NERF BAT
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Relentless
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Posted - 2004.01.15 02:29:00 -
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Show some imagination dude. Those low slots can contain other things than expanders. Trade one or two of the buggers for a Nanofiber hull mod instead. The trade-off is speed versus cargo, if you hate how slow you're going, it's in your power to change it. Nanofibers and overdrives complement a afterburner nicely on an indi because their base speed is so low.
I run my Mammoth in one of two configurations, depending on what I'm doing. One goes around 375 m/s with 9300 cargo, the other goes around 660 m/s with 4400 cargo.
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PuncherDavis
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Posted - 2004.01.15 02:33:00 -
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Nice idea but not worth it the amount of reloads I have to do to cover the amount of ore lost per load does not work out. I used to be able to haul 9200 at 445 hauling 13500 at 197 does not work out cut me in half and 222.5 is still rediculous. The nerf bat got swung way to hard at us and also the point is im not here to analize gate jumping techniques the point is to get their and get the job done
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.01.15 03:26:00 -
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it's not a boat, it's a ship!
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PuncherDavis
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Posted - 2004.01.15 03:32:00 -
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LOL no its a boat ships freaking go faster he he
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Funky Monkey
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Posted - 2004.01.15 03:55:00 -
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Welcome to the WonderFull world of CCP "delicate game balance".. they made the indy's easy prey for the Pirates... killing trade to low sec systems, and there are not enough people logged on to provide a diverse enough player pool to get "escorts" etc.
I really wish that Skippy their content director would stop doing *****... :O heh... ah well.. ya gotta do something to pass away the long Icelandic nights... |
PuncherDavis
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Posted - 2004.01.15 04:06:00 -
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Make a dev haul 50 million trit over an 8 jump one way trip and back again (16) round trip and I bet he would change a lot of things but they just code they dont play it i guess...
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CHUMSICLE
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Posted - 2004.01.15 05:14:00 -
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WAH.
You can have speed. You can have hauling capacity. You cannot have large amounts of both.
There are a dozen modules that you can use and abuse to proper effect. I missed the point you were whining about.
I would also like to point out that it is often a truly ignorant person who talks to CCP like they are not a group of people and/or like the entire crew is standing right next to them.
The changes you may personally dislike, but, I assure you, very few people give a crap about your opinion. Base m3/time has increased since patch - you are basically whining that you cannot have the best of everything and are expecting the CCP crew to adjust the game to your petty needs.
It does not work that way.
Sales Manager for Expanded Minds Inc - We suffer the tedium of R&D so you dont have to |
ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2004.01.15 05:26:00 -
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I would be happy if they just gave back the cargo increase % to nanofibers.
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.15 06:00:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 15/01/2004 06:02:38
"Make a dev haul 50 million trit over an 8 jump one way trip and back again (16) round trip and I bet he would change a lot of things but they just code they dont play it i guess..."
... Wouldn't it be faster and more productive to just make a few insta-jump boomarks required for that route, instead of wasting time in 'tis thread?
And btw... 12500 (m) / 200 (m/sec) / 60 (sec) means you spend about a minute* approaching the gate. Seriously, is it that long? o.o;
*) add maybe another half a minute for the acceleration
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Lucas De'Thal
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Posted - 2004.01.15 06:12:00 -
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WAH.
You can have speed. You can have hauling capacity. You cannot have large amounts of both.
There are a dozen modules that you can use and abuse to proper effect. I missed the point you were whining about.
I would also like to point out that it is often a truly ignorant person who talks to CCP like they are not a group of people and/or like the entire crew is standing right next to them.
The changes you may personally dislike, but, I assure you, very few people give a crap about your opinion. Base m3/time has increased since patch - you are basically whining that you cannot have the best of everything and are expecting the CCP crew to adjust the game to your petty needs.
It does not work that way.
i have yet to see one productive comment from this chump
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Kurenin
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Posted - 2004.01.15 06:13:00 -
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+ the cap that will run out
+ the multiple warps youll need after the jump because you used cap before you jumped
+ the cap wont recharge fast enough while your in warp (as warp is faster)
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[22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas?
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Seiun Darel
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Posted - 2004.01.15 06:38:00 -
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how the **** can you complain??? lmao im in my Celestis doing a whoopin 204m/s, so shut up, run the game in a window, and surf som **** while you'r waiting ;)
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mikos
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Posted - 2004.01.15 07:04:00 -
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If your hauling all the time train iteron v,
with exps and abs i get 22k at 200 and without exps still haul more than you at 300 + that is with abs only no modules. so can go faster still.
mikos
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PuncherDavis
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Posted - 2004.01.15 07:09:00 -
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I can tell that some of you in here do not make a living trading and some of you just post in here to look like idiots.....
Here Ill one up ya prove to me that this new system is better by timeing jumps (doing bookmarks is not perfect they still screw you and and when your running all over the place unless you want 100 bookmarks (which really screws with ur people places load time) you aint gonna take the time to do it all).. ALso since I jump all over Forger Placid Verge Vendor and Domain with Genesis thrown in im all over creation helping clients....
Now let me see if I can make this point again..
GIVE ME BACK THE OLD HAULER WITH THE LOWER CARGO AND FASTER SPEED TAKE AWAY THE NERF BAT.... heck I still had a cargo of 13k with giant cans mixed in and I sure liked not spending time at gates and as that other guy said surfing the web...... IM not paying to surf the web IM PAYING to play a game....
I wounder how many more times I gonna have to repeat that phrase
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Volucer
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Posted - 2004.01.15 07:10:00 -
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why not use cargo expanders on the way to the drop carrying your minerals and a few overdrives. when you get there, change the cargo expanders for the overdrives. |
PuncherDavis
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Posted - 2004.01.15 07:21:00 -
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Volucer the reason is that in order to max my carrying ability I have 3 giant 1 huge and 1 large can on.... With all that on I can haul 18900 which is nice.. IF I wanted to buy new cans each time I could use ur idea but that would not be very cost effective...
Also for the othere guy who is using an iteron v the train time for that thing alone will gag a maggot. Also iteron 3 is now better then iteron 4 what the heck.. Anybody who wants to spend 21 days training a level 5 skill you go for it but why should everybody have to do that to get a measly 300 m/s i mean that does not really make a whole bunch of sense
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Volucer
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Posted - 2004.01.15 07:24:00 -
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no, you carry the overdrives with you (they dont take up much space) along with the minerals. when you get there and dump your minerals, take your expanders off and put them in your cargohold and fit the overdrives you brought. you dont hafta buy anything new. |
Asmodia
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Posted - 2004.01.15 07:28:00 -
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My mammoth has 17.1k cargo and flys 186 m/s. I can pick up 2 jettsion cans with ONLY 3 trips.
I CAN HAUL FOR 3 BATTLESHIPS IF THEY MINE. THERE IS NO NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING. BEFORE THE PATCH YOU NEED 2 HAULERS FOR THE JOB. YOU SIMPLY FLY THE WRONG INDI. KTHXBYE.
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PuncherDavis
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Posted - 2004.01.15 07:29:00 -
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Volucer as soon as u take ur expanders off ur gonna lose the cargo ability to carry the giant cans which take up 3000 space but give u 3900 in return and so u are going to have to leave those cans behind
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PuncherDavis
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Posted - 2004.01.15 07:29:00 -
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Volucer as soon as u take ur expanders off ur gonna lose the cargo ability to carry the giant cans which take up 3000 space but give u 3900 in return and so u are going to have to leave those cans behind
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Volucer
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Posted - 2004.01.15 07:31:00 -
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sorry, i dont really ship anything of that magnitude..just trying to help. |
MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2004.01.15 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: MOOstradamus on 15/01/2004 09:20:46
/me agrees wholeheartedly with the original poster, so much so in fact that I have completely given up on trading and self-destructed my S-H-I-T-T-Y Mammoth last night out of frustration !!
Oh and btw everybody should just ignore CHUMSICLE as he was given a lot of stuff by the departing 'cairnz' and therefore really has no valuable opinion or insight into how to play the game and be successful - unless you include having it all handed to you on a platter of course ...  
MOOrovingian  "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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Stonyvision
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Posted - 2004.01.15 10:25:00 -
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I love the changes. Indys were just too damn fast. An indy SHOULD be slow.
Before patch i was speeding around in my bestower at frigate speeds.... that's just wrong.
Btw: you still can be fast.. just give a way some cargo.
To those who say that will drain your cap.... how about training some energy skills?
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Voss Matsu
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Posted - 2004.01.15 10:39:00 -
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I can see the point of the initial post, as I got hit pretty hard by the nerf with my bestowers speeds falling from 400-500m/s to 190m/s.
Initially I was horrified by the changes but I then realised haulers are supposed to be big and slow, and if you fit them with a few Hydrocarbon ABs and some cap rechargers, things arent too bad...
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Sqalevon
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Posted - 2004.01.15 10:53:00 -
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I can haul the same ammount in the same time compared to before castor ( with my iteron mark 5 and 5 basic cargo expanders mammoth is even beter after patch)
the only problem is ... i'm a thousand times more vulnurable to blockades or even kestrels because the time it takes to aproach a gate :-/
anyway
i can fit a 10mn MWD on my iteron and on my mammoth ... wich makes me go 1 km/s aprox ( ok it aint close to the 2300 i was doing before castor :)
but those speeds were silly :P
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CHUMSICLE
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Posted - 2004.01.17 05:33:00 -
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You obviously have not seen me selling massive amounts of cruisers before cairnz gifted me a pile of stuff.
I don't care when people talk smack about me, but when they lie about me, I get ****ed.
Oh, and, WAH. My iteron 5 can empty a jet can in one shot. I like the changes.
Sales Manager for Expanded Minds Inc - We suffer the tedium of R&D so you dont have to |
Snaad Gnabbsvindel
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Posted - 2004.01.17 18:48:00 -
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I myself trade in a Vexor with cargoexpanders, true it cant take as much as a hauler but it is a hell lot of faster since you can fit a mwd and ab on it. This means it can do more trading runs instead. Also since demand is generally smaller you might need to jump to a lot of diffeerent stations. I put up a stockpile a good place using the hauler and then fly out my stuff at systems and stations around asking for my goods with my vexor. Also when flying without cargo I refit the Vexor with overdrive injectiors making it even faster.
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Cosh
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Posted - 2004.01.17 19:24:00 -
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I can haul the same ammount in the same time compared to before castor ( with my iteron mark 5 and 5 basic cargo expanders mammoth is even beter after patch)
the only problem is ... i'm a thousand times more vulnurable to blockades or even kestrels because the time it takes to aproach a gate :-/
anyway
i can fit a 10mn MWD on my iteron and on my mammoth ... wich makes me go 1 km/s aprox ( ok it aint close to the 2300 i was doing before castor :)
but those speeds were silly :P
I would love to know how you can fit a 10Mn MWD on a mammoth - if you know a way to do it please share.
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.01.17 19:35:00 -
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WAH.
You can have speed. You can have hauling capacity. You cannot have large amounts of both.
There are a dozen modules that you can use and abuse to proper effect. I missed the point you were whining about.
I would also like to point out that it is often a truly ignorant person who talks to CCP like they are not a group of people and/or like the entire crew is standing right next to them.
The changes you may personally dislike, but, I assure you, very few people give a crap about your opinion. Base m3/time has increased since patch - you are basically whining that you cannot have the best of everything and are expecting the CCP crew to adjust the game to your petty needs.
It does not work that way.
CHUMSICLE,
These morons don't use their head to think. If they did they would obviously know why the change was made and why it is good now as compared to before.
All I have to say in response to what you wrote is:
Amen.
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