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IONZ Gallente The Celestial Free Miner's Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.06.17 03:04:00 - [1] I have read many threads on setups but no one has given their opion on what they feel is the best all around PVP ship along with a set up for the ship. I am taking in to consideration: Fire Power Durability Performance I want to take this all in to account for fighting all types of ships solo or a small gang. Please post some feed back with your ideal set up for the Best All Around PVP Ship.
Niivvy Caldari imperial miners protection guild	Posted - 2007.06.17 03:09:00 - [2] solo, its gotta be a curse but theres so many ships that all have roles in pvp. but 1v1 theres not much will beat a curse -------------------------------------------------------------- Its life Jim, But not as we know it!!!!
Illyria Ambri Caldari RennTech	Posted - 2007.06.17 03:14:00 - [3] There is no 1 ship.. everyone has their own opinions.. everyone will think a different ship is better. Whats the best ship for some may not be the best ship for others. Do not assume you will be able to pick a solo pwnmobile and be rdy to play eve.. Though I whole heartedly recomend it.. then you can get owned by decent players that dont try to pick the FOTM ship, but pick the ship that suits them best and they have the skills to fly effectivly. Just because you could fly said pwnmobile dosen't mean you can fight with it effectivly. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.17 03:32:00 - [4] Nanocurse ftw It can pretty much kill any non-capital ship, and if it can't, then it can escape Though there are lots of other good ships Brunswick2 is too sexy for the eve-o mods O RLY? - Kreul YA RLY
FarScape III	Posted - 2007.06.17 03:46:00 - [5] HaC's seem to be the Fav foe pirates going solo. By pirates I mean they intend to hit 1st. And be the one to pick their kills. Vagabond tough and fast can get to a ship in a belt before it has time to warp out, even if it is plenty far away. Not many will get away. *** Do what you want to EVE, as long as nothing fun is taken away and anything new is fun. A Minmater City... Cool!
Peanut Swsh Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.17 04:14:00 - [6] i like the sabre. it gets me more fights then any other ship. whether or not it can win most of them however, is a whole other matter.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.06.17 04:17:00 - [7] Curse if you have the skills and isk.. Thorax/Vexor for all others.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.17 04:52:00 - [8] Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 17/06/2007 04:51:19 Word of warning: If you are posting this so you can train towards "the best ship", BE WARNED: CCP has a LONG history of nerfing the "best" ships. Many many many many folks have spent months training towards a ceratin ship/fitting, only to have it nerfed out from under them. Accept this now, and avoid the pain of shattered expectations. The best option is to find a style you like, train it up, and stick with it, nerfed or un-nerfed. Focusing on the "best" = Focusing on nerf bait. Play nice while you butcher each other.
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.17 05:08:00 - [9] Best bet would be to train for Command ships and HACs. Arrow Capital Ship Sales
PostWithYourMain Main Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.17 05:27:00 - [10] Originally by: Sergeant Spot Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 17/06/2007 04:51:19 Word of warning: If you are posting this so you can train towards "the best ship", BE WARNED: CCP has a LONG history of nerfing the "best" ships. Many many many many folks have spent months training towards a ceratin ship/fitting, only to have it nerfed out from under them. Accept this now, and avoid the pain of shattered expectations. The best option is to find a style you like, train it up, and stick with it, nerfed or un-nerfed. Focusing on the "best" = Focusing on nerf bait.
Tulor Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.17 07:01:00 - [11] curse is mean 1v1. Most ships fill roles very well in small gangs. It just depends on what kind of gang strategies you're using. Yarrr!
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.06.17 07:04:00 - [12] I'd say the best overall is the Megathron. It can do solo, it can do gang, it can do fleet; it can tank, it can gank. What else could you ask for?
Nolene War Crimes	Posted - 2007.06.17 08:08:00 - [13] Nano-Curse, easy choice.
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.17 08:29:00 - [14] Motherships. Technically solo, you only need 2 alts -_-
Glassback M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.06.17 08:34:00 - [15] Domi. G. If Eve was just a game, it would have a pause button.
Dano Katiria adeptus gattacus Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.06.17 08:39:00 - [16] Eos/Asrarte- eos mainly, t2 heavy drones plus nearly all the gank of an astarte + more tank, FTW Being nice is for ugly people - Falazi
Divus Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.17 09:11:00 - [17] avatar -------------------------------------------------
Evolyze Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.17 10:17:00 - [18] I think the Myrmidon is pretty good really, it is certianly cheaper and easier to get into then most of the other ships mentioned, im pretty sure that i could take an astarte in it :) i think overall though the Curse or eos has got to be one of the best pvp ships
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.17 10:19:00 - [19] this is a topic with a million "right" answers. As for me, I LOVE my hurricane. Ubuntu 3d Beryl-Linux Desktop+EVE
Letheeth Kayl Amarr Chosen Path FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.17 10:25:00 - [20] Rocket Kestrel is good Merlins are apparently an awesome bang for your buck. I like punishers, executioners, and arbitrators Rifter and rupture i've heard can do some nice stuff tristan and vexor i think are the caldari ships Yes these are all t1 ships, they're meant as throw away ships, incase you're going to get concordonked. :) Put down the mirror and return to live With pain With sin With despair Live with penance in God's glory Lesson of Tobias and the Mirror Scriptures Verses26-29
Chavu The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.17 10:40:00 - [21] Huginn Firepower: Check, 200-300 dps, missiles and drones and autocannons oh my Durability: Check, 2x LSE IIs with good shield resists Performance: Check, goes fast, can web, can scram Solo: Check, you can kill anything t1 cruiser and below. can kill some t2 cruisers and some BCs Gang: Heck ya, webbing at 34-40km
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.17 10:58:00 - [22] velator best price/performance
Plave Okice Gallente Combat Systems	Posted - 2007.06.17 11:02:00 - [23] Never flown a curse, but of those I've flown the Eos and the Sabre have stood out as two fantastic ships.
FarScape III	Posted - 2007.06.17 11:08:00 - [24] Here is what you might be looking at if you decided on a Curse PvP Curse Amarr Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Tracking Disruptor effectiveness and 10% bonus to drone hit points and damage per level. Recon Ships Skill Bonus: 40% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer range and 20% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer transfer amount per level *** Do what you want to EVE, as long as nothing fun is taken away and anything new is fun. A Minmater City... Cool!
Drykor Minmatar Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.17 11:08:00 - [25] Best ship? This is EVE!
Laustin Spayce GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.17 11:10:00 - [26] Ragnarok. Or, any minmatar ship that isn't a rapier, bellicose, breacher, burst or probe. Or reaper.
Manus Stuprare DN Cloning Division	Posted - 2007.06.17 12:37:00 - [27] Best all-rounder has to be the Dominix imho, not because of any one setup, but because of its sheer versatility. The huge dronebay alone gives you so many options, but you also have: - plenty of mid slots for ew - great armour OR shield tank - damage coming from drones means the highs can be used for other stuff (nos, remote reppers for gang support etc) - or go full gank and do better than 1000 dps As a tier 1 BS it's even pretty cheap... just a shame it's so fugly :) -------------- Poisoning the Chalice: Smartbombs as a Counter to Nos.
VeNT Minmatar Freelancer Union Unaffiliated	Posted - 2007.06.17 12:50:00 - [28] vaga or maybe one of the recons I'd say much <3 for the cheap vaga -------------------- Eris; The Greek goddess of Chaos, Discord, Confusion and Things You Know Not Of.

Sahwoolo Etoophie Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.06.17 13:19:00 - [29] Moved from GD. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website In case you're wondering, I'm now stationed in Jamaica that is why I look tanned and wearing sunglasses. Just look how pale I was!

Mathias Orsen	Posted - 2007.06.17 13:30:00 - [30] simply amazing... only one person so far has listed a BS, that being the dominix. The curse gets mentioned alot... the question is, do you want the best ship for killing cruisers or the best at killing anything that comes it's way? or perhaps, do you want a ship than can make it out of a fight due to it's speed or due to it's ability to turn the opposition to a wreck? When it comes down to the best PVP ship due to tank, firepower, performance.. a Good BS will be better than any command ship, recon, or hac. Solo PVP requires it's ability to be versitile, armor tank, and do some daamge. Dominix, as mentioned, is about the best solo PVP ship you can get. The Hyperion is an exception to this. If you want to nosf fit your ship, the Hyperion can fit 4 guns, 4 nosf and be just as effective as the domi. Along with the 4 drones, the Hype will get a little more damage than the Domi while having a much better tank due to the ship bonuses (bonii). -------------------------------------- ---"What's in your wallet?"--- "There are two kinds of respect, fear and admiration.... I'll take what I can get"
Drazin DawnTreader The Elear	Posted - 2007.06.17 14:12:00 - [31] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus I'd say the best overall is the Megathron. It can do solo, it can do gang, it can do fleet; it can tank, it can gank. What else could you ask for? Agreed
Bentula	Posted - 2007.06.17 19:33:00 - [32] Imho the best soloships are the curse and maybe the astarte. Curse is a good ship but it relies on drones to do its damage, which get popped by sentrys in lowsec or small support for example. Many setups though that work very well to work around its various problems. Astarte however works well even under sentry fire and can safely engage many ships which will just crumble under its dps. It also has a very nice combination of tank + gank + tackling gear, and will be able to avoid unwanted confrontations much easier than a megathron for example which shares some of the tarts other traits.
ReePeR McAllem The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2007.06.17 19:49:00 - [33] Edited by: ReePeR McAllem on 17/06/2007 19:49:04 Speed curse 32km nos + 30km scram + damps = any singular target screwed Throw in a snake set and your laughing. Edit. Its damn boring though did it for long enough to hate it, pvp on easy mode dont really give you any type of buzz / enjoyment
Kye Kenshin coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.17 20:36:00 - [34] Originally by: Sergeant Spot Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 17/06/2007 04:51:19 Word of warning: If you are posting this so you can train towards "the best ship", BE WARNED: CCP has a LONG history of nerfing the "best" ships. Many many many many folks have spent months training towards a ceratin ship/fitting, only to have it nerfed out from under them. Accept this now, and avoid the pain of shattered expectations. The best option is to find a style you like, train it up, and stick with it, nerfed or un-nerfed. Focusing on the "best" = Focusing on nerf bait. Best advice I've seen on the forum since ever!
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.17 20:38:00 - [35] Edited by: Wrayeth on 17/06/2007 20:37:04 Domi. There's a reason I won't engage those things 1-v-1. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Dragonrazor Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.17 23:37:00 - [36] WORST THREAD EVER! Seriously, this game isn't divided like other silly games. If you want a best of the best comparison, then you need to do more than just saying firepower, durability, performance (what does that mean in this context anyway?). You want to fight everything solo and small gang. So what your asking for is technically NOT in eve, as no ship is so good and generalized that it handles all roles well. You sound new, so take this advice, play the game and decide on a play style you like and follow your nose. If you like knife fighting (close in pew pew) there are plenty of ships for that. IF you like sniping (far away pew pew) there are tons for that. If you like drones, plenty of ships for that. Missiles? Plenty. Just try and pick what sounds like fun... If winning is all your after you certainly won't achieve that by being told to fly a certain ship because your a nub and will likely find it useless to try. So rethink your needs and your question, and experiment on your own. Again, there IS no best ship overall, and if and when there is, You won't be flying it for long before the nerf bat comes and blows the doors off it, meaning all your hard work getting into it and learning to use it is wasted... Epic Fail in that case. Now asking: "What ships should I avoid?" That is a valid question always, as while there may not be a best ship, there are some that are clearly worst. Executor (gal Tier 1 Cruiser) for example is almost useless in PVP heheh, unless they changed it. ******************************************* "Stars Die... Empires fall... We are dust..." *******************************************
Igualmentedos	Posted - 2007.06.18 01:46:00 - [37] Edited by: Igualmentedos on 18/06/2007 01:46:12 Originally by: Sergeant Spot Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 17/06/2007 04:51:19 Word of warning: If you are posting this so you can train towards "the best ship", BE WARNED: CCP has a LONG history of nerfing the "best" ships. Many many many many folks have spent months training towards a ceratin ship/fitting, only to have it nerfed out from under them. Accept this now, and avoid the pain of shattered expectations. The best option is to find a style you like, train it up, and stick with it, nerfed or un-nerfed. Focusing on the "best" = Focusing on nerf bait. But what if all the best ships are Gallente? Then CCP wouldn't nerf them.
Dalanoria The Committee of Project Mayhem	Posted - 2007.06.18 01:53:00 - [38] Curse is good, but will pop easy if u dont have some distance..I lost a curse to a Temptest b4 I even knew what happened...
Laxon	Posted - 2007.06.18 02:02:00 - [39] Originally by: Sergeant Spot Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 17/06/2007 04:51:19 Word of warning: If you are posting this so you can train towards "the best ship", BE WARNED: CCP has a LONG history of nerfing the "best" ships. Many many many many folks have spent months training towards a ceratin ship/fitting, only to have it nerfed out from under them. Accept this now, and avoid the pain of shattered expectations. The best option is to find a style you like, train it up, and stick with it, nerfed or un-nerfed. Focusing on the "best" = Focusing on nerf bait. Holy Sensible Post Batman!
Vicious Phoenix	Posted - 2007.06.18 02:06:00 - [40] A lot of you are saying Curse, but I've got to disagree. It just doesn't have to firepower to kill fast enough unless you know you won't be disturbed during the fight. And yes, I have DI 5 and Recon 5 as well. If you can take your time the Curse is excellent and pretty safe, but if you want to get in, kill something and get out quick use a plated gank mega. CFW (Certified Forum Warrior) I kill people ingame too. Originally by: CCP Tuxford I prefer dew over pepsi. I prefer beer over most things. Damn now I want beer.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.06.18 02:09:00 - [41] Originally by: Vicious Phoenix A lot of you are saying Curse, but I've got to disagree. It just doesn't have to firepower to kill fast enough unless you know you won't be disturbed during the fight. And yes, I have DI 5 and Recon 5 as well. If you can take your time the Curse is excellent and pretty safe, but if you want to get in, kill something and get out quick use a plated gank mega. People who say Curse also seem to forget about the whole fleet warfare aspect of PvP as well.
Vicious Phoenix	Posted - 2007.06.18 02:11:00 - [42] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus People who say Curse also seem to forget about the whole fleet warfare aspect of PvP as well. Agreed, Curses are paper and suck for fleet. (But they are useful for small gangs if you somehow (unlikely) manage to not get called primary) CFW (Certified Forum Warrior) I kill people ingame too. Originally by: CCP Tuxford I prefer dew over pepsi. I prefer beer over most things. Damn now I want beer.
Foulis Minmatar Chosen Path FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.18 03:34:00 - [43] I find the best ship is the ship that can be adapted to multiple situations, getting you the most for your isk. That's why I agree with the people who have mentioned the megathron, and also put forward the tempest. ---- Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari NO WORDS IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE ARE SPELLED WITH THE NUMBER "8" IN THEM GODDAMNIT!
Corwain Gallente Zero Team	Posted - 2007.06.18 03:58:00 - [44] Originally by: FarScape III Here is what you might be looking at if you decided on a Curse PvP Curse I nominate this the worst curse setup EVAR!
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.06.18 04:03:00 - [45] Originally by: Foulis That's why I agree with the people who have mentioned the megathron, and also put forward the tempest. Hmmm yep, Tempest would be a close tie indeed. I'd still say the Mega is better overall, because of the clear armour-tanking design, whereas the Tempest is probably a superior fleet ship because the the high number of mids allows for more TCs and SBs, and it has a higher Alpha.
ACEv1	Posted - 2007.06.18 05:56:00 - [46] NOS-DOMI FTW!!!!! but seriously if you want adaptibility you just can't beat the domix.
Baji Core Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.18 06:31:00 - [47] As others have said, the question is vague and has many possible answers. However I do have some favorites - Vaga - fun, fast, easy to escape nasty situations Myrm - simply amazing performance for the price (tank and gank all in one) Eos, or Astarte - just, yeah. Domi - Good performance and lower skill level Just keep flying different ships set up different ways, and see what you like! That's the fun of it for me!
ReePeR McAllem The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2007.06.18 07:08:00 - [48] The op needs to change it to. Best solo overall ship: Best Fleet overall ship: Best Small gang ship: id say solo is the curse fleet is tempest/geddon Small gang be the Domi Cant argue with this. Reason i say curse is better than the domi is because the curse can always pwn the domi 1v1 (1v1 fo rthe entire fight) When orbiting a nos domi outside its nos range you drain its cap and use up its cap boosts slowly. Then with the damps it makes the domi have a high calibration even with a SB. So locking drones takes 20/30 seconds. Its a slow and painful ask but its all simply down to micro management. Send drones in for the attack. count to 20 then return them so the domi loses lock on drones rince repeat. No need to attack his drones as he will recall them. with a skilled domi pilot it takes about 25 minutes to take him down. The domi has time only on his hands. The curse can kick back and enjoy the show. Tedious but its what makes the curse better than the domi 1v1... SOLO!
True Ace Gallente Blood Moon Masques	Posted - 2007.06.18 07:11:00 - [49] id say a 5 gun 3 nos hyperion setup its good all round and should easily be able to tank a gank mega with a good setup. IM YOUR KING'S KING.
kill0rbunny Alpha-Hirogen Phoenix Allianz	Posted - 2007.06.18 07:34:00 - [50] Originally by: ACEv1 NOS-DOMI FTW!!!!! but seriously if you want adaptibility you just can't beat the domix. Nos nerf anyone? Domi for soloing still. Megatron for many rules in gang work. I pew therefore I am.
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.18 07:48:00 - [51] mega, then pest.
Streak Lightning	Posted - 2007.06.19 14:14:00 - [52] sleipnir, i cant believe nobody proposed it.. if u use the standard setup , xl booster shield tank , lows filled with speed mods and some damage mods. -awesome speed -awesome tank -awesome damage need more? sleipnir ftw
Lore Isander Caldari Sybrite Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.19 14:57:00 - [53] Originally by: Bentula Imho the best soloships are the curse and maybe the astarte. Curse is a good ship but it relies on drones to do its damage, which get popped by sentrys in lowsec or small support for example. Many setups though that work very well to work around its various problems. Astarte however works well even under sentry fire and can safely engage many ships which will just crumble under its dps. It also has a very nice combination of tank + gank + tackling gear, and will be able to avoid unwanted confrontations much easier than a megathron for example which shares some of the tarts other traits. One nos on your Astarte = dead Astarte. Mega > Astarte any day. ---
Lord Zoran Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.06.19 15:29:00 - [54] curse ftw shame i havent trained for one yet so i'd have to say a myrm but a domi if you got the isk of course if you got loads of skills there are many better ships.... --------------------------------------------- no sig for you !!!
Liu Kaskakka PAK	Posted - 2007.06.19 15:54:00 - [55] Mega ofc Can kill anything its size and smaller Cheap Solo Gang Fleet Tank Gank Tempest fits the bill as well. King Liu is RIGHT!!
Sharupak	Posted - 2007.06.19 15:58:00 - [56] Originally by: IONZ I have read many threads on setups but no one has given their opion on what they feel is the best all around PVP ship along with a set up for the ship. I am taking in to consideration: Fire Power Durability Performance I want to take this all in to account for fighting all types of ships solo or a small gang. Please post some feed back with your ideal set up for the Best All Around PVP Ship. LOL! Whatever ship/setup can keep me alive for about 3 minutes!
Dalanoria Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.06.19 16:00:00 - [57] Originally by: Corwain Originally by: FarScape III Here is what you might be looking at if you decided on a Curse PvP Curse I nominate this the worst curse setup EVAR! lol, yah, that's bad....Ofcourse I think the nano Curse is bs too unless your rich and can afford to lose it since you will...
Red Harvest	Posted - 2007.06.19 16:20:00 - [58] I like the Eos and the Sleipnir best. Eos - awesome tank, great fire power and very adaptable Sleipnir - good tank, awesome speed and good damage
Fable Hike Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.19 16:34:00 - [59] Vaga > Curse ************************************ You are going too fast! Wait a minute and try again. *************************************
MikadoK	Posted - 2007.06.19 16:35:00 - [60] Curse easily. that thing is just not fair... For me though in an inty, the only ship i will not tackle or go near solo is a vaga. Vaga =
Bladian Gallente NET Profit Trading	Posted - 2007.06.19 16:44:00 - [61] I've been playing eve online since just after beta. I've seen alot of ships, alot of fighting tactics and of course alot of ccp nerf's however, only one ship in my opinion has stayed as one of the top ships money can buy. That is the Dominix!! I could go through the advantages of this ship but i recommend you go and try it out yourself, you will never look back on any other ship! However as peeps have said in this thread and many other threads, everyone wanting a good pvp ship has to experience pvp before deciding what ship is best suited to you. My advice is to go out there, in the Tech 1; frigates, the cruisers, destroyers and even battlecruisers of all races. it will take you a while, but once your finished, you will have a clearer idea on whats best in your eyes. have fun
Kruel Save our Souls	Posted - 2007.06.19 16:55:00 - [62] Originally by: Fable Hike Vaga > Curse I solo'd a Vaga in my Curse. Also, an Eos the other day too. It's kinda tough locking people down at gates though... plus flying around with a 350m ship and 600m implants isn't for the faint of heart.

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