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Randy Willson	Posted - 2007.06.18 12:05:00 - [1] I'm just curious, and really don't know how such a thing is figured. Anyone able to enlighten me on the worth of this character and how you arrived at that number? Here is the link to the auction.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.06.18 12:12:00 - [2] Edited by: Akita T on 18/06/2007 12:12:07 A character is only worth what you're willing to pay for it. Same as with in-game items... is a 45% SBA really hundred thousand times more valuable than a 30% SBA ? Well, it apparently is, because it's rare, and people are willing to pay that much to get one. This char has over 61 mil SP, making it a very rare commodity, especially since only a handfull of those exist in the first place, and not many are willing to part with theirs. _ New char creation guide \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.06.18 12:14:00 - [3] Well I would not call it a bargain but 61 mil SP is right up near the top skilled players in EVE. There are some with more but not many. As such it is a rare character to see for auction and you're going to have to pay for it. Bootstrap yourself into a carrier with near max skills overnight.
Ray McCormack BIG	Posted - 2007.06.18 12:15:00 - [4] Originally by: Akita T Therefore, I wouldn't even be surprised to see a 50+ bil ISK end-price. Mwuhaha, got you before edit. \| WTS Archons and Nidhoggurs \| BMBE ISK Loans \|
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.06.18 12:19:00 - [5] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Akita T Therefore, I wouldn't even be surprised to see a 50+ bil ISK end-price. Mwuhaha, got you before edit. Yeah, noticed that the BUYOUT is 35 bil (not starting bid) after my post If it would have been mine, I would have made it a month+ long auction, with no buyout. _ New char creation guide \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Paula Roscarai Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.06.18 12:21:00 - [6] ofcourse it is.. at worst youll play with it for a couple of months and resell it at the same price, seeing as how eve is growing and inflation isnt stopping, youll probably resell it for much more
Randy Willson	Posted - 2007.06.18 12:22:00 - [7] Hmm, then why hasn't he gotten any offers for it yet? I notice in the thread someone mentions a similar SP Titan character that sold for 20bil. Could this character really be worth nearly double that one, with only 3mil SP more?
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2007.06.18 12:25:00 - [8] Edited by: Pan Crastus on 18/06/2007 12:23:31 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Well I would not call it a bargain but 61 mil SP is right up near the top skilled players in EVE. There are some with more but not many. As such it is a rare character to see for auction and you're going to have to pay for it. Bootstrap yourself into a carrier with near max skills overnight. Haha, you can buy a carrier-ready character for 3-4b and spend the other 30b on a mothership ... I really wonder why someone with 61m SP would sell his character for ISK, surely he should have enough ISK already? Unless he wants to cash out in RL $ that is ... this is a free post provided to you by a member of the EVE community.
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2007.06.18 12:26:00 - [9] Edited by: Wendat Huron on 18/06/2007 12:26:54 Originally by: Pan Crastus Edited by: Pan Crastus on 18/06/2007 12:23:31 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Well I would not call it a bargain but 61 mil SP is right up near the top skilled players in EVE. There are some with more but not many. As such it is a rare character to see for auction and you're going to have to pay for it. Bootstrap yourself into a carrier with near max skills overnight. Haha, you can buy a carrier-ready character for 3-4b and spend the other 30b on a mothership ... I really wonder why someone with 61m SP would sell his character for ISK, surely he should have enough ISK already? Unless he wants to cash out in RL $ that is ... Possibly giving it to his corporation before leaving? I'd not sell anything carrier ready for some measly 4B.
Randy Willson	Posted - 2007.06.18 12:28:00 - [10] Or buying a personal mothership for his other character. In the post, he lists Dray as an alt. Born on the same day, so probably a duplicate of the auction character or close to it. Mothership is the best ship in the game. Do they cost 35bil?

Presidente Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.18 12:32:00 - [11] Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 18/06/2007 12:32:54 Buying and assimilating this clone will make EVE totally boring for someone who wants to be max skilled overnight. Isn't growing and skilling not part of the main fun? But on the other side it could be strategically interesting for a bigger corp or ally. A single clone who can afford that amount of ISK must be still experienced at the end. But even then it's boring to catch a max skilled character, isn't it? Let's hope that "Ginger" is not buying it! :-) Pres G +++ JOIN PAP +++
Ozstar Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.18 12:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Well I would not call it a bargain but 61 mil SP is right up near the top skilled players in EVE. There are some with more but not many. As such it is a rare character to see for auction and you're going to have to pay for it. Bootstrap yourself into a carrier with near max skills overnight. Hmm... Originally by: Guy selling char This character cannot use capital remote reps but is ready to train them, and needs to train shield emissions systems to 5 for cap remote shield mods. Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia It¦s still very ackward reading threads about 'how to ride eris'
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.06.18 12:34:00 - [13] If you're looking at it from a pure ISK-vs-SP perspective... that char's SP alone is worth almost 4 years of training. At "30 day GTC" prices, that's around 9 bil ISK, even more. Lately, chars seem to go for at least double that value, so make that 18 bil ISK. Then, you look at the cost of skills. Another bil+ ISK right there. Over 19 bil ISK already. Then you factor in the gear he comes with (carrier with stuff on it, the standings he might have, etc). That's got to be worth at least another 2 bil on the market, so you end up with 21 bil ISK already. Heck, the starter bid of 25 bil ISK is about fair, considering the scarcity of such characters, and what he has to offer. _ New char creation guide \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Randy Willson	Posted - 2007.06.18 12:37:00 - [14] Originally by: Akita T If you're looking at it from a pure ISK-vs-SP perspective... that char's SP alone is worth almost 4 years of training. At "30 day GTC" prices, that's around 9 bil ISK, even more. Lately, chars seem to go for at least double that value, so make that 18 bil ISK. Then, you look at the cost of skills. Another bil+ ISK right there. Over 19 bil ISK already. Then you factor in the gear he comes with (carrier with stuff on it, the standings he might have, etc). That's got to be worth at least another 2 bil on the market, so you end up with 21 bil ISK already. Heck, the starter bid of 25 bil ISK is about fair, considering the scarcity of such characters, and what he has to offer. Nice breakdown. That's what I was hoping someone would post. A forumula of sorts for figuring cost.
MotherMoon	Posted - 2007.06.18 13:02:00 - [15] Originally by: Presidente Gallente Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 18/06/2007 12:32:54 Buying and assimilating this clone will make EVE totally boring for someone who wants to be max skilled overnight. Isn't growing and skilling not part of the main fun? But on the other side it could be strategically interesting for a bigger corp or ally. A single clone who can afford that amount of ISK must be still experienced at the end. But even then it's boring to catch a max skilled character, isn't it? Let's hope that "Ginger" is not buying it! :-) Pres G[/quote and you could isk trade your game time... forever
vatasha'yar	Posted - 2007.06.18 13:14:00 - [16] i see he has alot of time and isk invested in his carrier he is selling however he trained minmatar capitals. minmatar carrier and dreadnought are the two most talked about capitals that people seem to think need improvement. i do see he has gallente bs lvl5 so could cross train over to thanatos. let me make this clear not saying the character isent worth the isk he is asking for but it seems he picked the two least favorite capitals to train for according to public opinion. ccp has not even mentioned them "fixing" these capitals anytime soon.
Bimjo Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.06.18 13:28:00 - [17] I have 115 mill SP in 2 characters, sell one to buy a mothership ? naaaaa
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.06.18 14:14:00 - [18] Originally by: vatasha'yar minmatar carrier and dreadnought are the two most talked about capitals that people seem to think need improvement. ccp has not even mentioned them "fixing" these capitals anytime soon. http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/patchnotes.asp Minmatar capital ship remote armor/shield bonus changed from duration to amount. _ New char creation guide \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
vatasha'yar	Posted - 2007.06.18 20:53:00 - [19] ok and the minmatar dread split weapon system that yet others seem to dislike?
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.18 21:13:00 - [20] 61M sp for 35 bil? I scored a 65M sp char for 23B not less than a month ago.

Lardarz B'stard Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.18 21:26:00 - [21] Nice skills but not that wonderful. Surprised at only one BS at level 5, and tactical weapon upgrades at only 4. Good char though.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.18 21:32:00 - [22] Originally by: voogru 61M sp for 35 bil? I scored a 65M sp char for 23B not less than a month ago. The buyout is intended to be above what is reasonably expected, think of it as the "entity wants a new character now" option. That said, reserve may be a few bil too high, but if you get a character for 23billion, its not too much of a stretch to get one for 10% more (I would have started at 20-22ish, but its not me auctioning it). --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Lilian Long	Posted - 2007.06.18 21:32:00 - [23] Edited by: Lilian Long on 18/06/2007 21:33:01 Originally by: vatasha'yar ok and the minmatar dread split weapon system that yet others seem to dislike? If you just want a dread for what it's made for, like pos-sieging and shooting other capitals, then I don't think that there is anything wrong with the Naglfar. Only dread that is more versatile is the Moros of the heavy drones, which can be used for normal pvp. And the split weapon system is ok, if you have the skills. I don't have a dread on tranquility, but I've tried a Naglfar on the testserver, when revelation came out. First thing I did was warping to a battlestar pos with 6 large artilleries, sieging it a bit, then I wanted to leave, but was scrambled and webbed. Didn't think of that, when I warped in to shoot a bit. So I deactivated siege and slowboated away and tanked those 6 artilleries solo for 10 minutes without siege just with the dual reppers and some t2 equipment, had to switch one on and off to safe cap, but finally I warped. After that I warped into the free-for-all zone and 3-5 carriers and a Phoenix dread tried to bring me down for half an hour, at least one carrier nosing. Cap was stable around 25 percent or so. Then they gave up with a 'Good fight.' That was my 1st and only Naglfar experience and I expected less to be honest. Ok, no drone boat like the moros, but guess that's the only drawback.
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.18 21:35:00 - [24] Yes it's worth it.... Isk you can work hard to get. No matter how hard you try though, you can't train faster (besides getting yourself some implants ofc)
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.18 21:39:00 - [25] Originally by: ElCoCo Yes it's worth it.... Isk you can work hard to get. No matter how hard you try though, you can't train faster (besides getting yourself some implants ofc) Thats the way I think about it. It took a lot longer to train a 65 million SP char than it took me to generate the ISK to buy it. muahahahahahaha
Fivetide Amarr Aur0ra	Posted - 2007.06.18 21:40:00 - [26] awsome char worth every isk Don't fight a battle if you don't gain anything by winning \|Erwin Johannes Eugen Rommel\|
Mogrin Caldari Spartan Fleet Systems	Posted - 2007.06.18 21:47:00 - [27] My friend you always overprice. Major alliances will be attracted to such a character. You can build as many motherships as you can afford, but if you don't have the characters to fly em then theres no point. Sell that bastid for 150 billion and just sit on it. Motherships in particular are becomming buffed to rediculous amounts soon and eventually there will be more motherships built than pilots that can fly them. Then your character goes from "would be nice to have" to "I NEED THAT CHARACTER". Plus look at it this way. Buying characters for isk is essentially powerleveling in EvE. These big rich alliances with renters and miners can look at your character as an extremely valuable investment. BoB for example could come together and mine/rat/complex for a month and afford your character for as high as 200 billion. Don't sell cheap dude, time is the most valuable asset in eve and you are auctioning off your time. _______________ Rokh vs. Hyperion
Arthur Guinness Caldari Endgame.	Posted - 2007.06.18 22:07:00 - [28] Thought I'd make an appearance, if anyones interested my reasons for selling is that im looking to drop down to 2 acc's, dray was my first and i dont want to part with him even tho hes only got 60M sp's and isnt capital trained but is capable of flying almost every bs sized and smaller, t1 or t2 and every t2 weapon available with the exception of hvy, hams, sml missiles, and rockets. My third acc has a 13M char whos coming along nicely. As for what i'd do with the isk it will either go on a mom, drays training for a gal carrier as we speak, or look at a t2 bpo, havent decided, ultimately eve is changing and favouring more and more capitals and sovereignty, whether its a path i want to tread i dont know, ive been around a long time and done the whole alliance thing with old stain alliance, seen the curse war come and go and watched eve and my style of play change with it. Ultimately the isk isnt just the issue, im wealthy enough but like i said eve is changing, maybe its the end of my love affair i really dont know either way theres my reasons. Also like to say cash is not an issue, ive been approached a couple of times when i originally auctioned arthur last year with substantial cash offers, rule 4 of the auction covers this point quite clearly. As for the point of this thread, his value, I'll say this, he is a rare and highly skilled character with a superb skill set and come the end of the auction i'll be richer or still have arthur, either way is win win in my eyes, and i definately think (hope ) he will bring the 35B.
Taikun Brunel Gallente Evolved Gamer Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.19 01:39:00 - [29] Hmm now lets see... in game isk being advertised at 63-63 per billion. Assuming I buy it out that a whole... umm $1,953-$1,984 USD. Anyone know if the seller has a paypal account? Taikun
Korizan Oort Cloud Industries	Posted - 2007.06.19 01:45:00 - [30] Edited by: Korizan on 19/06/2007 01:45:38 That character isn't worth a even 1 ISK. The buying characters in my book is the most pathetic of all things. I just feel sorry for anyone that feels they need to buy a character. 99 % of any game is the making and leveling of the character. It is never about destination but it is about the path and choices we make getting to the destination. Now that is the real story and the game itself.



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