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neilgor
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:29:00 -
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Hi everyone. I am just coming to the end of my 14 day trial and was all set to subscribe. however i have been fragged twice today by bullies in battlecruisers! what is the point of blasting a tiny lone frigate? i just undocked last time (on my way to pick up ammo) and got fragged straight away, then the w+++++s pod killed me! I must say i enjoy this complex and varied game but idiots like this are putting me off. It takes ages at my level to make cash and i have to jump all over the place to refit. Is it always like this?
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Fswd
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:31:00 -
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And you did not recieve the warning about not entering low-sec if you are a n00b? And yes, that also applies to ppl at the end of a 14-day trial.
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Larg Kellein
Caldari
GTE Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:32:00 -
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Honestly: Yes, it is always like this, particularly if you've been flying around lowsec. Golden rule is if you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it. This goes double for flying into lowsec where they can shoot you without the law getting to involved. You'll get over it, and as you get more experienced it's not really that scary out there.
 Originally by: Roy Batty68
My software has wronged me!!! And it's immediately "sorry". Well, ok then. I suppose I'm not so upset at my software if it appologizes.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:32:00 -
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No offense man, but you lost a frigate.
That's small potatoes compared to what others lose.
If you want my honest to goodness advice...
1) Subscribe
2) Try out the new exploration mode when the new patch comes out on Wednesday
3) tada, have about 3-5 million isk!
Realize that losing ships is part of the game. While it sucks, we move on, and you will usually wind up finding better parts for your ship. I know I always have.
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SasRipper
DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:32:00 -
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sry there is not a big sign over you head
"AM ON TRIAL DONT SHOOT ME OR ILL WHINE"
*snip* Sas has spoken this tread shall be locked. |
Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:36:00 -
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If you enter low security space you invite people to take you on. In a frigate you are much better equipped to perform a gtfooh maneuver than any battleship so run if you like.
Even if you're not a good fighter you can always save up some money and hire mercenaries to beat up the big bad bullies.
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Sarah McTeef
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:37:00 -
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This is all starting to sound like the latest goon campaign to discredit and destroy this game.
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:37:00 -
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Edited by: Death Kill on 18/06/2007 15:37:51
Edited by: Death Kill on 18/06/2007 15:37:14
Originally by: neilgor
fragged
level
Ahhh this is where you fail.
You think EVE is some level based fragfest...it is not. Treat it like reallife. If you drive a car in unknown territories and see a tank...then run. Chances are its not friendly.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:38:00 -
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Low sec is a dangerous place- about as close to a "PvP zone" from other games as EVE gets (note that in EVE, EVERYWHERE is a PvP zone, but in high sec it's a bit less likely). It's not that tricky to avoid PvP in low sec if you need to, but it's just one of those things you learn to do as you learn the game.
If EVE is the game for you, you'll pick yourself up, learn any lessons there are to be learned, and keep on going. If you can't do that, EVE will probably not be the best game for you.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:38:00 -
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For all they knew, you might have been carrying something valuable. Most pirates don't bother to check the age of someone before attacking them.
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Originally by: F'nog
Reaper wins the thread.
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neilgor
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:39:00 -
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cool! i know its dangerous but still! (whine ,winge ) never mind, i think i will start mining in lo-sec, definately safer.
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Ben'Garran
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:41:00 -
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I've played MMOs for the last ten years, from the old dialup BBS games to the first big online MMO Ultima Online to the newest variation of WoW. Eve, without question, has the most unfriendly player base of any game I've played. It also has the most intresting combat dynamics and politics. I think that once you get over the low-sec pirates, NBSI 0.0 "defense," and greifers, you will find Eve to have the richest gameplay you can find.
Best of luck.
-- Ben
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neilgor
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
For all they knew, you might have been carrying something valuable. Most pirates don't bother to check the age of someone before attacking them.
ooh! an age quip! very clever.........
I'm probably older than you darling! xxx
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: neilgor
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
For all they knew, you might have been carrying something valuable. Most pirates don't bother to check the age of someone before attacking them.
ooh! an age quip! very clever.........
I'm probably older than you darling! xxx
He probably meant "character age", as in your show info page shows that you started playing 2 weeks ago, while mine says 2005 or whatever it says.
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:48:00 -
[15]
Originally by: neilgor
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
For all they knew, you might have been carrying something valuable. Most pirates don't bother to check the age of someone before attacking them.
ooh! an age quip! very clever.........
I'm probably older than you darling! xxx
lol thread over. 
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Kimiko Kurosawa
The Krugerrand Groupies
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Kimiko Kurosawa on 18/06/2007 15:49:06
nvm
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: SasRipper
sry there is not a big sign over you head
"AM ON TRIAL DONT SHOOT ME OR ILL WHINE"
Vermin, be GONE! I vanquish thee troll, in the name of DARK SHIKAKI! *holds forth blazing emblem*
Sorry DS, I always wanted to take your name in vain.
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Kwint Sommer
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:14:00 -
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In my experience, low sec is always like that. A large portion of the people populating low sec and certainly the portion you are most likely to meet are pirates that spend their time camping gates and scanning asteroid fields not because their is particularly good ISK in it but because they love ganking people. For the most part they don't even enjoy a good duel, out of 8 challenges I've had 2 accepted. 0.0 is the old Wild West reincarnated, the group with the biggest guns and willingness to use them runs the county. Empire is your modern metropolis, full of commerce and all the niceties of civilization but swarming with police. Low sec is the slum in between where everyone must pass but only a few well armed gangs of mission runners stay.
There are plenty of friendly people out there in EVE, like a guy named Man of Leisure (SP?) that is still in the newby corp after two years because he likes helping people. I remember when I was just beginning to do L4 missions and accidentally accepted Worlds Collide, he showed up with his CNR, got me through it in about an hour and then refused any kind of payment from me saying the bounties were enough for him. You'll meet a lot more of these people once you join a good corp. In the meantime, drop me an eve-mail in game and when I get off work I'll give you a million ISK to help get you in a decent ship.
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Curzon Dax on 18/06/2007 16:17:08
*double post*
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Dave White
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: neilgor
i think i will start mining in lo-sec, definately safer.
Hardly. If you've only been in the game for the trial period, I'd advise you to stay in highsec and run some missions, or something similair.
That's just my opinion, though.
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Hanse Davion
Gallente
Jane's Clone Emporium
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: neilgor
Hi everyone. I am just coming to the end of my 14 day trial and was all set to subscribe. however i have been fragged twice today by bullies in battlecruisers! what is the point of blasting a tiny lone frigate? i just undocked last time (on my way to pick up ammo) and got fragged straight away, then the w+++++s pod killed me! I must say i enjoy this complex and varied game but idiots like this are putting me off. It takes ages at my level to make cash and i have to jump all over the place to refit. Is it always like this?
Welcome to Eve-Online, as you have probably noticed people here are very unsympathetic in general. Don't let it affect you choice to join the community though, once you have been around a while you will learn what to look out for and enjoy your playtime. The advice, slander, flames above are more or less true if not tactful. Avoid low-sec if you can't afford to die quick and easy death.
Think of 0.4 and below as "any ghetto" anywhere, don't trust anyone and watch your back. The difference here in Eve, everyone is out to get you, period. If you want contact me in-game, we are always looking for new people and welcome you to come fly with us till you get your bearings.
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gfldex
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: neilgor
Is it always like this?
If you let them kill you, you will die. I think it's reasonable to be that way.
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There are countless games in the world. There are at least as many ppl that dont like one or more rules of said games. That never stopped smart game designers from creating good games.
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Great Artista
Purple Cloud
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: neilgor
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
For all they knew, you might have been carrying something valuable. Most pirates don't bother to check the age of someone before attacking them.
ooh! an age quip! very clever.........
I'm probably older than you darling! xxx
OMAI GAWD 
Best response ever.
To the OP: you shouldnt go to lowsec during your first few months, just gather up some cash and get your skills into shape. Then, if you wish, you can try pvp, or go to 0.0 for bigger income. Lowsec is basically solely for pvp.
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You can either choose to agree the above, or distribute your own opinions, if you do; please flame, I like making people angry.
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The Pointless
Gallente
Plastic Toys
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:07:00 -
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This... this... this just makes me want to *slams head off desk repeatedly*
When are people actually going to read up on this game before playing? 
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dave White
Originally by: neilgor
i think i will start mining in lo-sec, definately safer.
Hardly. If you've only been in the game for the trial period, I'd advise you to stay in highsec and run some missions, or something similair.
That's just my opinion, though.
I know people who started ratting in lowsec almost from the get-go. Sure they died now and then but the rewards were good enough.
So, neilgor, I suppose the question is what you feel luckiest at?
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente
Raddick Explorations
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: The Pointless
This... this... this just makes me want to *slams head off desk repeatedly*
When are people actually going to read up on this game before playing?
I have no idea, but eve is damned efficient at sorting out the people that will not make it and those that will.
I personally was reading Warp Drive Active well before I started playing.
I like to think I had a rough idea of how funny or harsh it could be, thus well prepared.
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Hanse Davion
Welcome to Eve-Online, as you have probably noticed people here are very unsympathetic in general. Don't let it affect you choice to join the community though, once you have been around a while you will learn what to look out for and enjoy your playtime. The advice, slander, flames above are more or less true if not tactful. Avoid low-sec if you can't afford to die quick and easy death.
EVE is much like real life and not like other rubbish MMO's where everyone is either an orc, elf or some ggek with a pointy hat. In EVE you actually have to think before you decide to do sothing, even it it means something as trivial as jumping into another system or undocking in your non combat ship transporting everything you own.
Quote:
Think of 0.4 and below as "any ghetto" anywhere, don't trust anyone and watch your back. a place where Darwinism rules the land. stupid and naive people get killed, and clever people prosper.
The difference here in Eve, everyone is out to get you, period. stupid people get themselves killed. If you want contact me in-game, we are always looking for new people and welcome you to come fly with us till you get your bearings.
Yeah.
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Amanda Wilkins
Caldari
Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish
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Posted - 2007.06.18 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax
Originally by: SasRipper
sry there is not a big sign over you head
"AM ON TRIAL DONT SHOOT ME OR ILL WHINE"
Vermin, be GONE! I vanquish thee troll, in the name of DARK SHIKAKI! *holds forth blazing emblem*
Sorry DS, I always wanted to take your name in vain.
You certainly is taking it absolutely in vain when you even misspell it...
;-)
Amanda
Amanda Wilkins
CEO of Dromedary, Goat, Albatross and Fish
Protector of the Bunnies of Stain
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Amanda Wilkins
Caldari
Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish
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Posted - 2007.06.18 18:15:00 -
[29]
Originally by: neilgor
Hi everyone. I am just coming to the end of my 14 day trial and was all set to subscribe. however i have been fragged twice today by bullies in battlecruisers! what is the point of blasting a tiny lone frigate? i just undocked last time (on my way to pick up ammo) and got fragged straight away, then the w+++++s pod killed me! I must say i enjoy this complex and varied game but idiots like this are putting me off. It takes ages at my level to make cash and i have to jump all over the place to refit. Is it always like this?
No, it is not always like this. Sometimes you get to lose more expensive ****, even if you are more experienced. It hurts, but the moment you jump a gate out of high sec, there is a warning saying you are on your own and life is dangerous.
This is like a 1st level character in Neverwinter going into the wrong part of the city and getting his character killed - well, duh, if you try to do what your character is not ready for, you will go wrong.
That being said - there is a way to learn. Agony Unleashed teached PVP Basic courses - and some corps, such as fx. my own - willingly take on noobs and teach them. But we cannot protect you from the dangers of low sec and 0.0 - so if you go there, all we can do is teach you the best odds of survival.
Send me an eve-mail if you want to be taught...
;-)
Amanda
Amanda Wilkins
CEO of Dromedary, Goat, Albatross and Fish
Protector of the Bunnies of Stain
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Necrosmith
Gallente
Excellence In Business Corporation
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Posted - 2007.06.18 18:17:00 -
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Die, noob! DIE DIE DIE
etc.
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Miz Cenuij
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.06.18 18:27:00 -
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Gimmie your lunch money noob !
"Men are going to die..
and im going to kill them". |
Plaetean
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.18 18:27:00 -
[32]
Originally by: neilgor
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
For all they knew, you might have been carrying something valuable. Most pirates don't bother to check the age of someone before attacking them.
ooh! an age quip! very clever.........
I'm probably older than you darling! xxx
Anyway, you died because you went to low sec without knowing how to stay alive. It's not bullying, it's the game, don't call them idiots..
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The Pointless
Gallente
Plastic Toys
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Posted - 2007.06.18 18:33:00 -
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Edited by: The Pointless on 18/06/2007 18:32:17
Originally by: ThaMa Gebir
Originally by: The Pointless
This... this... this just makes me want to *slams head off desk repeatedly*
When are people actually going to read up on this game before playing?
I have no idea, but eve is damned efficient at sorting out the people that will not make it and those that will.
I personally was reading Warp Drive Active well before I started playing.
I like to think I had a rough idea of how funny or harsh it could be, thus well prepared.
Same here, I buy too many PC gaming mags for my own good, and as a result, I started EVE aware that there was a chance I'd lose ships to players. Sure, some things I didn't count on - like an actual idiot ("I didn't expect you to pop so fast!" "It was an Exeq set up for mining, you plank!") and for some reason I expected gatecamps to be someehre like 0.2 sec, and not the 0.4 I got pounced on - but still, learned from my mistakes instead of screaming "no fair" on this forum. 
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ReverendM
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.06.18 19:07:00 -
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Thread Cleaned. Marines Posted.
Forum Rule 16:"Newbie" bashing will not be tolerated, particularly in the Newcomer's Forum."
Personal attacks are against the forum rules, and will result in moderator action. "Newbie Bashing", which has occured in the thread, is not tolerated at any level. It will be kept civil. Any breaches from here on out will be dealt with accordingly.
-ReverendM
Remember, we all started somewhere.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.18 19:41:00 -
[35]
Originally by: neilgor
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
For all they knew, you might have been carrying something valuable. Most pirates don't bother to check the age of someone before attacking them.
ooh! an age quip! very clever.........
I'm probably older than you darling! xxx
You misunderstood. I meant your character's age which you yourself said is less than 2 weeks. I have no idea how old you are in RL, nor do I particularly care. My point is that it takes precious seconds to load up someones info, so they wouldn't know you only started playing 2 weeks ago. For all they knew, you were carrying a titan BPO.
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Reaper wins the thread.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.06.18 19:59:00 -
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I remember getting 'bullied' by some char who wardecced my noob corp.
However - We didnt cwy and moan and bleet to CCP like so many others - We formed up a squad of noobs and took out one of their BS before getting spanked royaly
Anyway - 15 months later - as a member of The Privateer Alliance - I was present when this guy got a Right Roayl spanking and lost two carriers and numerous BS. Part of the game. Shrug it off - Quit - or seek revenge. Its up to you
SKUNK
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:02:00 -
[37]
Originally by: The Pointless
... learned from my mistakes instead of screaming "no fair" on this forum.
Well you done your fair share of screaming 'no fair' in the past tbh
SKUNK
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Caios
Caldari
Unified Refining Federation
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:16:00 -
[38]
There are no "levels" or similar numbers that display above our heads in this game. And character age can be deceiving (SP-wise, probably below average for my age).
So there's no telling who's a noob and who's just a noob corp alt. par for the course.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:17:00 -
[39]
Your attitude stinks skunk
Real turtles tank armor.
Real men fly Pink.
Nerfageddon!
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:23:00 -
[40]
Out of the goodness of my heart I am going to refrain from bashing the OP and just offer practical advice.
Enter .4 or lower = /pvp on
Join corp = /pvp on
Every other time, Concord will destroy your attacker (though usually not in time to save you)
How to refit :
Refit at a market hub or minihub.
Hub = Jita, Rens, Oursalaert, Amarr
Minihub = Hek, Airiken, Torrinos and many others
Minihubs are LOCAL places where all the people in a region have designated as a place to buy and sell goods. It might have started with 1 industrial corp offering everything under the sun, and now everybody sells all their loot there, so you can buy everything at a one stop shop.
So instead of flying around for 2 hours to buy a shield booster, you just buy the ship, fittings and ammo in one station.
It usually costs a little bit more, but it is much more time efficient.
Also note that the big hubs usually have ppl sitting at the gate with cargo scanners, as soon as someone with a hauler comes through with a few hundred mil worth of loot, they gang kills his ship, and an accomplice in a hauler comes scoops up the surviving loot, which is usually enough to replace the ships the attackers lost.
How to avoid this :
If you have extremely valuable loot like more than 100m, don't use a t1 hauler. Use tanked t2 hauler.
Or if the loot is super valuable, worth billions, use a tanked battleship.
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The Pointless
Gallente
Plastic Toys
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:23:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: The Pointless
... learned from my mistakes instead of screaming "no fair" on this forum.
Well you done your fair share of screaming 'no fair' in the past tbh
SKUNK
Oh really?
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:25:00 -
[42]
er Hek is NOT a minihub, its a mission hub, Rens is the minihub in the area, followed by ammold and lustrevik
Real turtles tank armor.
Real men fly Pink.
Nerfageddon!
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cal nereus
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:29:00 -
[43]
After 3 months of play, I've never been attacked in high-security space and I've only once ever been targeted with malicious intent (I escaped). 3 of my ships have blown up (2 to NPC rats that I underestimated and 1 in 0.0 Tau Ceti Federation space). I haven't encountered PvP in lowsec yet, but that's mostly because I avoid it whenever I can. I think you just had a stroke of bad luck (or I have good luck). Going into low-sec, or joining a corp with active wardecs, is a calculated risk. Sometimes, it bites you in the ass. :-/
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AegriSomnia
Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:41:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Sarah McTeef
This is all starting to sound like the latest goon campaign to discredit and destroy this game.
FFS get over it already. Has everything about EVE degenerated into Goonery for you. How sad.
To the OP, tough breaks, man. Stick with it though. This game is definately worth it. Once you subscribe and get some SP under your belt (thats Skill Points), join a good corp! Thats where all the fun is!
BTW, I got ganked a lot as a noob, as well. I just kept a list on my notepad of all the offenders, and then once I had some friends in-game, it was payback time 
Originally by: grayson 34
Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:52:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
Your attitude stinks skunk
So does your aftershave
SKUNK
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.18 21:19:00 -
[46]
worst. riposte. ever.
Real turtles tank armor.
Real men fly Pink.
Nerfageddon!
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Kulat
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.18 21:47:00 -
[47]
Originally by: neilgor
< snip> stuff Is it always like this?
yes
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The Pointless
Gallente
Plastic Toys
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Posted - 2007.06.18 21:57:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Kulat
Originally by: neilgor
< snip> stuff Is it always like this?
yes
To the point.
Pretty much what everyone said. Low-sec isn't safe and the pirates can pretty much do what they like, as was the idea of the game. I still say that it may have helped you a great deal to read up on the game beforehand so you get a general idea of what you're dealing with. Won't make you immortal or invincible, nor will it help you 'pwn' in any area whatsoever from the word go, but at least if you did, some of the nasty surprises could have been somewhat 'dulled' a little.
...
Erm, and the mods missed a few spots by the looks of things. *runs!*
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.06.19 03:16:00 -
[49]
Originally by: neilgor
Hi everyone. I am just coming to the end of my 14 day trial and was all set to subscribe. however i have been fragged twice today by bullies in battlecruisers! what is the point of blasting a tiny lone frigate? i just undocked last time (on my way to pick up ammo) and got fragged straight away, then the w+++++s pod killed me! I must say i enjoy this complex and varied game but idiots like this are putting me off. It takes ages at my level to make cash and i have to jump all over the place to refit. Is it always like this?
if you dont go to low sec and stay in an npc corp then you wont really be targetted as a newb - unless you attack other people or end up flying millions in slow or ill defended ship (in wich case you probably shouldnt be npc anymore)
i hope you stick around - when you make friends money is easy to come by
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Siege
Minmatar
Siegecraft Bounty Hunting
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Posted - 2007.06.19 03:28:00 -
[50]
Neilgor;
If you decide to stick with it, I also highly recommend looking up "Eve-University". They are a fantastically talented group of guys that exist to train new players how to fight PvP. Very effective in fleet operations. Very effective in training players. You want a good all around experience, they may be exactly what you are looking for.
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.06.19 03:34:00 -
[51]
Originally by: neilgor
Hi everyone. I am just coming to the end of my 14 day trial and was all set to subscribe. however i have been fragged twice today by bullies in battlecruisers! what is the point of blasting a tiny lone frigate? i just undocked last time (on my way to pick up ammo) and got fragged straight away, then the w+++++s pod killed me! I must say i enjoy this complex and varied game but idiots like this are putting me off. It takes ages at my level to make cash and i have to jump all over the place to refit. Is it always like this?
You know how many times I considered podding you when I saw you in local? Damn, I was like "A noob. Right there. Let me at him." But I was busy.
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.19 03:37:00 -
[52]
bullies?
perghhc***ch... HAAHhaHAAHHAahHAAHHah
- Recruitment open again-
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KnifeyMcShanker
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.06.19 04:10:00 -
[53]
Edited by: KnifeyMcShanker on 19/06/2007 04:09:54
Funny you should mention bullies on eve, some guy I recently kicked from corp has recently sent me 500+ copies of the same threatening email!
Luckily (lol), he bounced off proxies and there is no way for me to prove this, so the GMs can do nothing, there is no way for me to see his real email or IP since it has all been bounced off proxies.
Oh, and also, he's probably reading this and laughing.
Hooray for internet anonymity, letting the 12 year old script kiddies control whatever they want.
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Caios
Caldari
Unified Refining Federation
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.19 04:15:00 -
[54]
tbh, I've found the players of this game tend to display far more sociopathic tendencies than any other playerbase I've come across. you basically have to expect the worst out of everyone you come across, which is definitley offputting to a lot of people.
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Fred 104
New Justice
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Posted - 2007.06.19 04:36:00 -
[55]
Originally by: neilgor
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
For all they knew, you might have been carrying something valuable. Most pirates don't bother to check the age of someone before attacking them.
ooh! an age quip! very clever.........
I'm probably older than you darling! xxx
That's right, I triple-lol'd
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.19 04:59:00 -
[56]
I think that there is a vocal population of smacktards in eve but its not a majority I mean heimatar averages about 60+ people in most of its high sec systems, and between 6-60 in most of its low sec ones, you see MAYBE 1-12 ore thieves per hour in any given high sec mining system per day, 1-12 high sec ganks in high sec per day, and at least one smacked in each system a day (more if xxthaproducerxx is bored  ) move down to the low sec and you get two different areas, the amamake sector which is rife with pirates and gatecamps, and eifer and area that has some general piracy but not the same pirate population. Now move next door to metropolis and the arse to carebear ratio gets alot less pleasant but it is still not a majority The main problem is the n00b corps and help chat are spammed to heck and back (cept for brutor tribe, all the old hats there are solid and will give you alot of good info) I can't speak for other regions but if you are looknig for a good start, come to heimatar and hook up with one of the many good player corps that share the area
Real turtles tank armor.
Real men fly Pink.
Nerfageddon!
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FarScape III
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Posted - 2007.06.19 05:01:00 -
[57]
Originally by: neilgor
Hi everyone. I am just coming to the end of my 14 day trial and was all set to subscribe. however i have been fragged twice today by bullies in battlecruisers! what is the point of blasting a tiny lone frigate? i just undocked last time (on my way to pick up ammo) and got fragged straight away, then the w+++++s pod killed me! I must say i enjoy this complex and varied game but idiots like this are putting me off. It takes ages at my level to make cash and i have to jump all over the place to refit. Is it always like this?
There IS no point, they are morons, at least you know thet you are not.
A Minmater City... Cool!
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Ammoina
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.06.19 05:07:00 -
[58]
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
You misunderstood. I meant your character's age which you yourself said is less than 2 weeks. I have no idea how old you are in RL, nor do I particularly care. My point is that it takes precious seconds to load up someones info, so they wouldn't know you only started playing 2 weeks ago. For all they knew, you were carrying a titan BPO.
Who cares about the characters age anyway? Its only worth checking when ransoming a pod. I'm posting with (what was and really still is) a noob alt for a reason. I hauled more than 100 million the first day I made this character. Flying a stabbed up frigate. And you wonder why us evil pirates blow up frigates?
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FarScape III
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Posted - 2007.06.19 05:22:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Ammoina
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
You misunderstood. I meant your character's age which you yourself said is less than 2 weeks. I have no idea how old you are in RL, nor do I particularly care. My point is that it takes precious seconds to load up someones info, so they wouldn't know you only started playing 2 weeks ago. For all they knew, you were carrying a titan BPO.
Who cares about the characters age anyway? Its only worth checking when ransoming a pod. I'm posting with (what was and really still is) a noob alt for a reason. I hauled more than 100 million the first day I made this character. Flying a stabbed up frigate. And you wonder why us evil pirates blow up frigates?
Because you're paranoid? Haha just kidding. :)
To the OP, people who steel in EVE are called pirates but if you are defending your space or whatever like that, then you are a Warrior.
So if they just did it to get an easy kill or gank then they could be morons, if it was to steel then they were prites and if it was some other more nobile reason then they were Warriors.
Either way it is no so borring in low sec, so look at it that way.
Make friends with them if you want to stay.
A Minmater City... Cool!
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Ladyah Liandri
VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2007.06.19 05:50:00 -
[60]
neilgor, like others suggested - stick with Eve. It's worth it.
And yes it's always like this. Whenever there's the slightest chance to get killed you'll be lucky to survive.
And TBH there are no newbies, rookies, pros or veterans in EVE - only targets. That's the beauty of it.
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Mari Onette
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Posted - 2007.06.19 06:31:00 -
[61]
Neil. They have a saying out in low sec. some people are more into it then others, but everyone knows it.
If its not blue, shoot it.
It's nothing personal, it's just how things are done. In low sec if its not a member of your corp or your alliance, or someone you have positive standing with, It's a hostile.
Subscribe. It's worth it.
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BluOrange
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.19 06:41:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Amanda Wilkins
That being said - there is a way to learn. Agony Unleashed teached PVP Basic courses - and some corps, such as fx. my own - willingly take on noobs and teach them. But we cannot protect you from the dangers of low sec and 0.0 - so if you go there, all we can do is teach you the best odds of survival.
Thanks Amanda! (My sig-pic is a link to the Agony Unleashed site.)
And you are, of course, correct. That's one reason why we ask all our students to buy at least one backup ship; our classes tend to run at a 10-20% loss rate. (Which is why we also advise people to bring a really cheap ship.)
If you don't want to risk being beaten up on by people who stack the deck against you, then stay in highsec and avoid carrying valuable cargos.
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cioran wyborowa
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Posted - 2007.06.19 07:16:00 -
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Yeah well most of eve is kos. That shouldnt really be hard to get use to.
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Galan Amarias
Amarr
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.06.19 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: Caios
tbh, I've found the players of this game tend to display far more sociopathic tendencies than any other playerbase I've come across. you basically have to expect the worst out of everyone you come across, which is definitley offputting to a lot of people.
There is a grain of truth to this. The point that really hasn't been made though might be the same reason you went all 14 days w/o a subscription. Me I was hooked in 7, mabey less, but I remember I needed an industrial ship to move my stuff, I digress..
EVE isn't a quest. The other players are much more relavant to the success or failure of yours. Every sale, every purchase, every kill affects us all in some small way.
In EVE we the players are the protagonists and antoginists. All the really meaningful stuff is pvp, even the market.
So, don't trust anyone you just met. Be wary of all your new friends, cherish those you come to know and can tell will have your back in the fights to come. And remember it's that risk, the posibility of genuine loss that makes EVE so wonderfully addictive. If you let it even losing can be fun, as long as you do your best to put up a fight.
Come to low sec, look arround but be wary. Keep local in a seperate window. Have safe spots enjoy.
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Edania
Caldari
Ordo Adeptus Astartes
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Posted - 2007.06.19 07:54:00 -
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enter low sec.
get killed.
congratulate your killers + have a chat be civil about it your loss just furthered the games economy without losing ships the game would grind to a boring pointless halt.
insult the guy thats smacktalking the gatecamp because hes just making it hard on himself, a ****ed off enemy will just want to pod you for no reason to hell with the sec loss.
leave low sec.
at a later date enter low sec, greet the same campers have a chat.
get killed, -no hard feelings, be civil.
leave low sec.
at a later date enter low sec, greet the same campers have a chat.
they let you pass unnopposed thank them and be civil,
congratulations you just earned a pass to stay alive in there territory that few others have because your a regular and these people recognise that you are bringing buisness to there area buisness they wouldnt have if they kill everyone.
Quote:
my Clone was excelent, i just had too many skillpoints
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Serotta Ortot
Last Man Mining
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:02:00 -
[66]
Have to agree with what's being posted. Also complained and moaned bitterly when I lost my first hard earned cruiser in Eifer (0.4 I think), but stuck with the game, got in to a small corp that really helped me. Eventually got 0.0 access permission, and went in with a secure cargo container and a ammo bpo. Found an out of the way system with some nice bs's, and would just haul ammo from npc station to the container when needed and keep to myself in the system. See a unfriendly, safe spot and cloak. I literally went days ratting without seeing anyone in 'local' channel.
IMHO 0.0 ended up much safer than 0.4 - 0.1...
When in high sec around Ammold, Lustrevik, Hek, I still help new players on lvl 1 missions, and if they lose a ship will give them loot and isk to refund it (depends if they're beggars or just having a tough time).
It's an amazing game, with some utter dispicable players, and some really really good guys..
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Jane Spondogolo
NoobWaffe
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:10:00 -
[67]
If you dont want to pvp (Hey, your a 2 week old newb vs a BC. Im a 2 year old newb and I wont fight a BC in a frig), your new best friend is the "Warp core stabiliser" aka the "gtfo module".
Fit one, make bullies gnash teeth. Its awesome.
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Unrepentant Southern Federation Cheerleader.
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Jane Spondogolo
NoobWaffe
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:12:00 -
[68]
Also, find a wealthy benefactor (Maybe you can do errands for people for isku) to give you some bucks, and get into a mining cruiser, then join a corp that'll let you inflict that cruiser on unsuspecting lowsec rocks and profit. The game gets easier quicker.
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Unrepentant Southern Federation Cheerleader.
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Palkan Grindolo
Minmatar
PURE Legion
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:20:00 -
[69]
Neilgor, unfortunately it is always like this.
I say unfortunately because there will always be a certain type of people who go out of their way to ruin things for others. (I am being polite here!)
These people cannot mix it with the 'real' veteran players who fight 'properly', and with honour. I liken it to those players who will use cheat codes in stand alone games, and then think they are good!
But don't worry. I still believe that the majority of players are at worst indifferent to new players, and at best will willingly help.
Strangely, I have been surprised that on my odd and rare visits into empire, particularly to my 'birth' systems round Hulm, Rens etc, talking to and trying to help newbies is like pulling teeth - so different to when I started. I tend to assume they may be alts, but then why are they mining in friggies?
Yes, EvE tends to reflect the worst of RL, partly because those people who in RL go train spotting can be total w*****s, but also because, unfortunately these days, many people in RL are so vile.
That said, it IS addictive, and despite hating the griefers passionately, get skilled up, and then go kill them. They won't mind, and if they do, you can justifiably say 'tough s**t'!!
Palky
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: Cheyenne Shadowborn on 19/06/2007 12:39:59
Originally by: neilgor
Hi everyone. I am just coming to the end of my 14 day trial and was all set to subscribe. however i have been fragged twice today by bullies in battlecruisers! what is the point of blasting a tiny lone frigate? i just undocked last time (on my way to pick up ammo) and got fragged straight away, then the w+++++s pod killed me! I must say i enjoy this complex and varied game but idiots like this are putting me off. It takes ages at my level to make cash and i have to jump all over the place to refit. Is it always like this?
*sigh*. Here we go: My condended 18-point step by step newbie guide aka "a serious head start for the lone wolf player". THIS should be in the tutorial.
1. Subscribe
2. Make that Minnie character who has Navigation V and AB four or five, can't remember
3. Mine for a day to get some basic cash
4. Make an alt, put him in a shuttle
5. Get a really cheap frig like a Condor, Executioner for your Minnie main
6. Fit MWD (or AB at least), a small cap battery, some nanofibers or inertia stabs
7. Go to the border of 0.0 with the ALT(!) in the shuttle. Go to safespot.
8. If its safe, log on with main, quickly move your main there, too.
9. Move alt into 0.0.
10. If its free of bubbles and camps, move main to 0.0. Go to safespot.
11. Open map. Select "pirate and police ships destroyed in last 24 hours"
12. Find the biggest red blob in your 0.0 region. Go there. Bonus
if its true sec is as low as possible (www.fluidorbit.co.uk lists true
sec, among others)
13. Warp to belts at 100km. If its safe, loot the leftovers. Often you find
NOS, launchers, BS guns and stuff worth millions. If you see ANYONE, get
the fsck out. Unless he's in a shuttle - I hear they don't tank well.
Keep in mind that frigs are effing flimsy but warp insanely fast. Be
VERY wary of interceptors.
14. When cargo is full, get the fsck out to high sec using the alt to scout.
DO NOT try to dock in 0.0 unless you know what you're doing.
15. Sell loot
16. Get a Probe (ship). Put medium secure container in. Rinse, repeat the
above but this time with an anchored(!) container to store more loot.
17. DON'T be angry or smack if you get ganked at any step. Learn from it. Don't
post about it. Get a new cheap frig instead. Sh*t happens.
17. After some evenings you should easily have dozens of millions.
18. Find a newbie still mining after a week in his frig. Laugh about it.
You're welcome. Send ISK.
edit: I know its a wall of text. Blame the darn forum software 
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Na'Kunni
Amarr
Null Horizon
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Posted - 2007.06.19 13:25:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Death Kill
Edited by: Death Kill on 18/06/2007 15:37:51
Edited by: Death Kill on 18/06/2007 15:37:14
Originally by: neilgor
fragged
level
Ahhh this is where you fail.
If you drive a car in unknown territories and see a tank...then run. Chances are its not friendly.
WIN!
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Veto. Academy
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.19 13:39:00 -
[72]
It has to be said:
"BOOM-HEADSHOT lololo1!1!!1"
"Fragged" indeed 
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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Sales Merchant
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Posted - 2007.06.19 13:41:00 -
[73]
Your first losses are always the hardest ones. You will constantly question 'Why?'
The truth is, there never has to be a reason. EVE is not the kind of game where reasoning rules the day. It's survival of the fittest.
After you've been here for a few months you'll develope a tough skin and only then wikll you understand why they call this the coldest mmo on the market.
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Frogzuk
Dragonian Freelancers
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 13:53:00 -
[74]
To OP
Low sec is cruel, regardless of how new / old you are.
What you need to do is join a corp, where you can learn how to play eve, survive in low sec and fit your ship accordingly. There are plenty of academy's out there, we have one, so go and see what is to your liking and learn what is needed to survive !
froggy
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Agent Li
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Posted - 2007.06.19 14:04:00 -
[75]
Originally by: neilgor
Hi everyone. I am just coming to the end of my 14 day trial and was all set to subscribe. however i have been fragged twice today by bullies in battlecruisers! what is the point of blasting a tiny lone frigate? i just undocked last time (on my way to pick up ammo) and got fragged straight away, then the w+++++s pod killed me! I must say i enjoy this complex and varied game but idiots like this are putting me off. It takes ages at my level to make cash and i have to jump all over the place to refit. Is it always like this?
When I was two weeks into the game, I figured out that you can't make money mining as a n00b. Not fast enough, anyway.
There are much faster ways to make money, and I don't mean by missioning, either.
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