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Black 5
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Posted - 2004.01.15 17:22:00 -
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1- These Are supposed to be all electronically advanced so why!! does the lock time STINK!
2-what the hell is up with the signature radius! If they're so elctronically advanced why cant they cover up their sig radius a little!!
3-Caldari are supposed to be missle kings. But if ya make missles crap! And give us no useful bonusses then what the hell are we suposed to do! Not to mention the ridicoulous prices to maintain one these ships for the dmg they can deal.
4-Remember the raven! supposed to be caldari right! so why cant u fit anything on it with out maxing out the cpu! the Raven SUCKS, it's by far the worst bs in the game now, cuz u guys nerfed it and the scorp.
5-And why is it that if ur ship like the scorpion is stuffed with hightech electronics that anyone can lock u in no time!
6-Hmmm caldari are supposed to be good with hybrids, so why dont we get a bonus that will get us somewhere!
AND dont nerf the shields next patch cuz thats the last good thing caldari bs's have!!!!!
Next time u put in the patch change the descriptions for the caldari bs's to >SITTING DUCKS WITH A BIG RED DOT ON THEY're heads.
Or u can actually incourage ppl who are caldari to use caldari ships, cuz frankly looks like its time to start training skills for a real bs like tempest or typhoon.
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.01.15 17:29:00 -
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Yup.
The Raven is already probably the worst lvl 2 battleship.
If the H-50 nerf go through it becomes useless.
CLICKY CLICK AND YOU CAN READ MY POST ON WHY THE RAVEN IS COMPLETELY USELESS IF THE H-50 NERF GOES THROUGH
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Black 5
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Posted - 2004.01.15 17:35:00 -
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not probably, it is
heeh i dont mind that we cant mine properly, but when u take away the fact that we cant even fight! ehheeh its all over
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.01.15 17:38:00 -
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not probably, it is
heeh i dont mind that we cant mine properly, but when u take away the fact that we cant even fight! ehheeh its all over
bah, go put some DCM's on it and suck rocks
Fair point though, other than the shields caldari are getting a rough deal atm.
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Marina Setoru
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Posted - 2004.01.15 17:39:00 -
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1) electronically advanced? since when? and what does it have to do with game balance?
2) see 1
3) since when are they supposed to be missile kings?
4) cause most everyone else can't fit anything without maxing powergrid.
5) see 1
6) caldari are good at long range with hybrids, where they are supposed to be.
7) finally a good point yes caldari are shield kings. 8 meds and the biggest shields kinda give that one away.
8) yes ofcourse, the fact that 90% of the pvp populance uses scorps are a sure give away that caldari ships suck.
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Polux
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Posted - 2004.01.15 17:45:00 -
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would you guys stop complain about this. You guys are probably fitting the ship for tank mode and 6 siege launchers ?? You just have to pick one of theys things, we can't have missle bouts shooting 6 missles every 9-15 secs whit impenetrable shields running around everywhere.
Still think that they realy should import some missle dmg mods and fix the CPU on the raven little bit.
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Black 5
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Posted - 2004.01.15 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: Black 5 on 15/01/2004 17:49:21
Edited by: Black 5 on 15/01/2004 17:47:39
honey u forget... caldari bs's were once upon a time the best. Go home and read up, and lay off those noob cr@ckers.
Yes ppl stil use em but cuz they still have em, but if u havnt noticed tmany many ppl are training up for diferent bs's. So if ya dont know what ur talking about, know ur role and shut ur h0le. marina setoru my dear, you are a tool. Go educate urself.
Anywayz backto the topic ...ummm CCp do something
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.01.15 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Raynor on 15/01/2004 17:54:07
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1) electronically advanced? since when? and what does it have to do with game balance?
Caldari ships generally have superior CPU compared to other ships.
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2) see 1
Better question is, why is a Ravens signature radius 100m larger than an Apocolypse and a Scorpions is 150m larger? Apocolypse is the biggest lumbering ship in the game, yet Caldari ships got HOSED and were given HUGE signature radius, why?
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3) since when are they supposed to be missile kings?
Raven, Caracal, Kestrel, pure missle ships by design, Most Caldari ships have 50/50 hybrid/missle, some Minmatar ships are also very missle oriented, but they are more oriented towards projectiles than anything. Caldari ships NEED missles to be effective.
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4) cause most everyone else can't fit anything without maxing powergrid.
5) see 1
Caldari ships don't work quite like other races ships, CPU is generally their problem, not grid. Though if you try to run a bunch of turrets on a Caldari ship, that 10,000mw powercore on the Raven doesn't give you much to work with.. Caldari ships need missles to be effective, they are useless without them.
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6) caldari are good at long range with hybrids, where they are supposed to be.
Then why are 1400mm projectiles better at ranged combat than railguns are? Why do missles suck so badly at long range? How are Caldari supposed to be the best at long range when railguns and missles are horrible at long range?
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7) finally a good point yes caldari are shield kings. 8 meds and the biggest shields kinda give that one away.
I see you follow the logic of SCORPION HAS 8 MIDSLOTS THEREFORE ALL CALDARI SHIPS MUST SUFFER. Really, it's a flawed logic.
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8) yes ofcourse, the fact that 90% of the pvp populance uses scorps are a sure give away that caldari ships suck.
Scorpion is very versatile and good for PvP, despite the nerfs, because the nerfs on the Scorpion weren't it's strengths, so as long as it has its 8 midslots, its OK.
Raven however, got WTFPWNED by nerfs, and is about to get WTFPWNED by nerfs next patch as well.
And FYI, Tempests are now the new flavour of the month, people are ditching Ravens left and right, and selling H-50 Arbs left and right. They know the nerf is coming and the nail in the coffin is being hammered in next patch.
Seige Launchers are not as powerful as turrets, their DoT is very low. It's OK for a Raven to use 6 launchers and 2 turrets, that is how they've been since missles got their speed boost back in August and they've not been overpowering ships.
They need missles + shield tanking to be effective.. they are NOT the best battleships, but they can be effective with this setup. You take it away, Ravens once again SUCK.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.01.15 18:06:00 -
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Caldari is High Tech!!!
So they should have faster lock time!!!
"We brake for nobody"
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PAPA
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Posted - 2004.01.15 18:26:00 -
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i think the ( prototype ) in scorps description says its advanced 
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Black 5
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Posted - 2004.01.15 18:28:00 -
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Edited by: Black 5 on 15/01/2004 18:30:38
Did u say the raven is getting nrefed again! ....int never end does it....
but yes i agree i still love my scorpion just cuz it has 8 med slots.
And just asthetically speaking they should make the caldari bs's bigger, i look like an ibis next to my mates mega.
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.01.15 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Siddy on 15/01/2004 19:39:58
1- These Are supposed to be all electronically advanced so why!! does the lock time STINK!
They are using Windows XP .. that Crash atleast 3 times before target lock
2-what the hell is up with the signature radius! If they're so elctronically advanced why cant they cover up their sig radius a little!!
Awwww... Comoon.. cant u see how caladri likes al pretty shining lights? Wholes ships are lit like X-smas tree - Even a Drunk, Blind, 80 years old Crankky man can lock at that thing - not to mention Laser targeting system
3-Caldari are supposed to be missle kings. But if ya make missles crap! And give us no useful bonusses then what the hell are we suposed to do! Not to mention the ridicoulous prices to maintain one these ships for the dmg they can deal.
Well... Stop using missiles on NPC if they are to expensive - missiles can stil sustan a reasonable damage and -if right used- rarely miss. Pluss: All the pretty fireworks u lucky gits get
4-Remember the raven! supposed to be caldari right! so why cant u fit anything on it with out maxing out the cpu! the Raven SUCKS, it's by far the worst bs in the game now, cuz u guys nerfed it and the scorp.
Ever Wondered why u Caladrian Lost ur Homeworld ?..... L00sers .. u cant build a decent ships.. Thats why 
5-And why is it that if ur ship like the scorpion is stuffed with hightech electronics that anyone can lock u in no time!
Comoon.. are u n00b or something... u can make Scorpion into fastest Lock aquairing ship in game - whit litle efford. Why else u think u got all thous Med slots all other reaces drool at?
6-Hmmm caldari are supposed to be good with hybrids, so why dont we get a bonus that will get us somewhere!
Dont look at me! i am not Dev
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Black 5
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Posted - 2004.01.15 22:07:00 -
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Edited by: Black 5 on 15/01/2004 22:10:18
eheheheh lol good post
nah id never use missles for npc hunting, but for pvp its still expensive. Im not saying it aint worth the damadge cuz theyre very good for it, but they just shouldnt nerf em.
Yeah i know i can make it accuire targets real fast but stock for stock it should lock much faster than it does. I like to have 4 dampeners on my med slots, with a webifier, a warp jammer, a sensor booster, and a mwd to get around a lil quicker. So my meds are full as they are
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Centauri
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Posted - 2004.01.16 00:30:00 -
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would you guys stop complain about this. You guys are probably fitting the ship for tank mode and 6 siege launchers ?? You just have to pick one of theys things, we can't have missle bouts shooting 6 missles every 9-15 secs whit impenetrable shields running around everywhere.
Still think that they realy should import some missle dmg mods and fix the CPU on the raven little bit.
He's right. We can't have invinclble missile-boats in the game, and though I feel the problems with Caldari battleships are VERY MUCH legitimate, addressing them in the manner people are demanding would create just such an entity (the unkillable missile boat). Now dishonourable scum may find invincible ganking entertaining, but that's simply because they're angry at their small genitalia, and transfer their anger to their opponents in EVE
Regardless, I doubt you guys will get what you want, so ditch your ships, and learn to fly some other race's BS.
Centauri,
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Black 5
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Posted - 2004.01.16 02:34:00 -
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were not asking for invincible missle boats, were asking for a battleship that can actually compete with the other battleships. We dont want to give up and train for another races battleship.
Read the thread noob
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.01.16 03:19:00 -
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Who is supposedly the most advanced (Caldari) has the longest lock time, while supposedly the most primitive (Minmatar) has the shortest.
As for people dumping Ravens, is this the reason why some Ravens are on the market for relatively low prices? (108-110 million). I thought that manufacturing costs has gone down. Yet prices for Apocalypses are at the highest ever by sheer demand on this thing.
I have a friend who wants to sell her Raven and go down to a Scorp as she wants to develop a tanking setup.
I don't know about the Raven---the ship needs some serious luvin' but the Scorp is still definitely one of the best BS in the game for both PvPer and Non-PvPer alike, if anything for its flexibility and defensive capabilities. If configured right, it has better survivability against massed NPC rats, or even break PC rat blockades. If you have seen the combined laser and missile hell of a 0.0 Sansha rat swarm lately, you will know what I mean.
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Spanker
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Posted - 2004.01.16 04:22:00 -
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I'm no expert on this subject but this is how I figure it, if anyone gives a flying frell  It may sound a bit much, but here it is.
Virtually the only occasion you need to have a short lock time is when you're in a scorpion and you're trying to scramble another scorpion. If you're not in a scorpion you don't need a short lock time because you'll get jammed eventually anyway, and the same goes for the opposite situation - if you have a scorpion and the other guy/gal doesn't you could have a lock time of 30s and still be laughing.
Actually there are the gate campings, at which point you need devilishly short lock times - but then you're in a scorp with easily 2-3 slots left over for F-90's... et voila!
I have flown a scorp in combat lots of times since castor and I can tell you, lock times don't matter half as much as you guys on this thread think.
And on the subject of Ravens sucking, omg, have you actually tried attacking a properly fitted and piloted one? You're space dust buddies, trust me. You can find competent Raven drivers on chaos sometimes, I suggest you go look for them and then allow yourself a second oppinion.
And to continue this preposterous ranting; this is what goes through my mind when I chance upon various ships when I myself am in a Raven.
Scorp: "Er, l8rs, not sticking around"
Raven: "This will be an interesting standoff!"
Apoc: "I wish I brought my warpscrambler"
Tempest: "get close and no problemo"
Megathron: "lol"
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.01.16 04:52:00 -
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Raven is like, a brick house properly fitted. You need H-50s for a proper shield tank setup on a Raven though.
A Scorpion tanks better but a Raven is seriously difficult to tackle 1v1. For fleet combat, Ravens are almost useless, missles take to long to hit anything.
Raven needs missles to be better at long range. Caldari are supposed to rock at long range but their best weapon, missles, SUCKS at long range.
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Black 5
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Posted - 2004.01.16 07:55:00 -
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trust me the faster the lock time the better.
Usually whoeverlcoks first wins.
cuz then u target jam the other guy and warp jam him an its all over. So trust me its all about the lock time.
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Arthur Guinness
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Posted - 2004.01.16 10:50:00 -
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a decent fitted apoc shield tank will outlast a raven shield tank.
all i have to say.
siege launcher just don't deal enough dmg. |
Karol Kei
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Posted - 2004.01.16 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Karol Kei on 16/01/2004 18:29:14
I have had a raven for quite a while. I have very crappy willpower and perception so I had chosen one race and one race only when I started.
I finished training for an apoc today, and I am in one now. The raven is in the hangar.
I am a crappy PvPer at my very best so my opinion is one of the less important ones. But -- I for myself did feel strongly enough about it to change the strategy and sacrifice quite a while for training.
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Dolemite2K
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Posted - 2004.01.17 04:19:00 -
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trust me the faster the lock time the better.
Usually whoeverlcoks first wins.
cuz then u target jam the other guy and warp jam him an its all over. So trust me its all about the lock time.
very few figths start at less then 20km, the range you need to warp scramble so you will allmost allways have the option to warp away
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Kaylon Syi
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Posted - 2004.01.17 05:23:00 -
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Edited by: Kaylon Syi on 17/01/2004 05:25:21
1) Raven should have more pgrid.
2) Raven should have more cpu.
3) Raven should have lower radius.
4) Scorpion should be faster.
5) Scorpion should have lower radius.
6) Scorpion and Raven should have a better or atleast as good lock time as others.
7) Rinse and Repeat until done right.
I agree with Raynor!
Edit : If done right i will by a scorpion and raven... not until!
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.01.17 06:41:00 -
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I agree to that too. The Raven should have its CPU and powergrid bumped up while the Scorpion's agility and speed needs to be preset back to the old levels. Personally I don't think CCP will fix the radius and scan resolution but the others are more open.
As I have a major investment on both ships, yes, please, anything helps.
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"Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies,
"Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.
"Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
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Asterian XVV
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Posted - 2004.01.17 07:55:00 -
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I think my Caracal is bigger than a Scorp. So why is it that a scorp has such a huge sig. radius.?
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.01.17 08:37:00 -
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I think my Caracal is bigger than a Scorp. So why is it that a scorp has such a huge sig. radius.?
BECAUSE CCP HATES CALDARI SHIPS
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Gun Kata
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Posted - 2004.01.17 09:10:00 -
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Edited by: Gun Kata on 17/01/2004 09:10:51
This is just going to keep going around and around - as soon as people start using things and get good at using them they get nerfed so u are sort of forced to use something else. That is until you get good at that and SWING! the bat comes down again. No point in speacialising as you know the bat is only a patch or two away.
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