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ChefQuix	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:03:00 - [1] Ok, I just started playing about 3 weeks ago. I came over from WoW because that world had gotten pretty boring and repetitive, and I keep reading all sorts of interesting things happening in this game. But nonetheless, I'm three weeks old and this game has been going on for four years. Is there any way at all that I'm going to catch up to the big boys? Is there enough balance in the game? Or are we talking about something like sure, over the course of the next 10 years, your progression curve will start to converge with the early adopters?
ChefQuix	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:03:00 - [2] Ok, I just started playing about 3 weeks ago. I came over from WoW because that world had gotten pretty boring and repetitive, and I keep reading all sorts of interesting things happening in this game. But nonetheless, I'm three weeks old and this game has been going on for four years. Is there any way at all that I'm going to catch up to the big boys? Is there enough balance in the game? Or are we talking about something like sure, over the course of the next 10 years, your progression curve will start to converge with the early adopters?
M3GATRON Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:07:00 - [3] Edited by: M3GATRON on 19/06/2007 06:06:06 um wha? dumb forums doh!
M3GATRON Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:07:00 - [4] yeah you can catch up quite well but specialization is they key focus on one race and one type of weapons one type of tanking and youll be fine and DONT ask which race is best because it will degenerate into and endless spiral of pointless circular debate with no clear winner
M3GATRON Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:07:00 - [5] Edited by: M3GATRON on 19/06/2007 06:06:06 um wha? dumb forums doh!
M3GATRON Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:07:00 - [6] yeah you can catch up quite well but specialization is they key focus on one race and one type of weapons one type of tanking and youll be fine and DONT ask which race is best because it will degenerate into and endless spiral of pointless circular debate with no clear winner
Mikal Zackfelt Gallente Novatec Industries	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:08:00 - [7] I only started playing about 4 months ago, there is plenty to do in order to get your foot in the ground in the game. I could have left when I got podded the first time. Now, after losing my pod 3 times after that, I am still loving this game and can now handle myself in combat. My advice to you is to stick with it and keep on training those skills so you can catch up with the big boys. Don't think that because you are 3 weeks old that you can't do anything in the game but know when to pick your fights and know when to split.
Mikal Zackfelt Gallente Novatec Industries	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:08:00 - [8] I only started playing about 4 months ago, there is plenty to do in order to get your foot in the ground in the game. I could have left when I got podded the first time. Now, after losing my pod 3 times after that, I am still loving this game and can now handle myself in combat. My advice to you is to stick with it and keep on training those skills so you can catch up with the big boys. Don't think that because you are 3 weeks old that you can't do anything in the game but know when to pick your fights and know when to split.
Arkios Odymei Incarnation of Evil	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:09:00 - [9] Character Skillpoint wise? No you will never catch up. Will it matter? not after about 6-8 months. After 6-8 months, you will have had enough time to specialize enough in 1 or 2 ships of your choice where you will be competitive enough to fight 1 on 1 with one of the 4 year vets. (Keep in mind, you can only train any skill to lvl 5, so after a certain point, you simply cant specialize in a specific thing anymore.) The only thing that more "Character Skill Points" will do for you is open more options to fly a wider variety of ships. When you hop in any ship, you will only be using a fraction of your skill points at any given time (IE- If I have "Gallente Cruiser lvl 5" and "Minmatar Cruiser lvl 5" both trained and i decide to fly my Thorax (a gallente cruiser), that 25 days of training that i spent on "Minmatar cruiser lvl 5" will have no effect) Originally by: Marcathonas Moros + huginn + bubble = super happy carnage time.
Arkios Odymei Incarnation of Evil	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:09:00 - [10] Character Skillpoint wise? No you will never catch up. Will it matter? not after about 6-8 months. After 6-8 months, you will have had enough time to specialize enough in 1 or 2 ships of your choice where you will be competitive enough to fight 1 on 1 with one of the 4 year vets. (Keep in mind, you can only train any skill to lvl 5, so after a certain point, you simply cant specialize in a specific thing anymore.) The only thing that more "Character Skill Points" will do for you is open more options to fly a wider variety of ships. When you hop in any ship, you will only be using a fraction of your skill points at any given time (IE- If I have "Gallente Cruiser lvl 5" and "Minmatar Cruiser lvl 5" both trained and i decide to fly my Thorax (a gallente cruiser), that 25 days of training that i spent on "Minmatar cruiser lvl 5" will have no effect) Originally by: Marcathonas Moros + huginn + bubble = super happy carnage time.

Jolin Ires Gallente Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:10:00 - [11] Edited by: Jolin Ires on 19/06/2007 06:09:22 Well I can understand that as a new playe, you look at the 3-4+ year veerans and wonder.....how in the world will I ever catch up to them? What you have to actually realize is that EVE is NOT WoW. A lvl 10 player will never catch upto a lvl 70 player. In EVE, it's possible, but in a different way. Let me give you an example: As a new player, chances are you're going down the miner/industrialist path for the moment. Let's say 3 months down the line you train enough to fly a covetor with tech 2 strip miners, mining upgrades the whole shabang. The 4 yr old veteran mining next to you in a covetor, at that moment, is JUST LIKE YOU. This is because while you and him are in the covetor, you have exactly the same skills and bonuses. But after your mining is done, you get in a cruiser and he gets in a battleship. Obviously the situation is not the same anymore. But you get the idea right? Edit: WTH I'm 6th post? Lotsa people are forum whoring today
William Hamilton Caldari THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:10:00 - [12] The time difference at higher levels of training is so immense that personal skill far outweighs it.
Jolin Ires Gallente Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:10:00 - [13] Edited by: Jolin Ires on 19/06/2007 06:09:22 Well I can understand that as a new playe, you look at the 3-4+ year veerans and wonder.....how in the world will I ever catch up to them? What you have to actually realize is that EVE is NOT WoW. A lvl 10 player will never catch upto a lvl 70 player. In EVE, it's possible, but in a different way. Let me give you an example: As a new player, chances are you're going down the miner/industrialist path for the moment. Let's say 3 months down the line you train enough to fly a covetor with tech 2 strip miners, mining upgrades the whole shabang. The 4 yr old veteran mining next to you in a covetor, at that moment, is JUST LIKE YOU. This is because while you and him are in the covetor, you have exactly the same skills and bonuses. But after your mining is done, you get in a cruiser and he gets in a battleship. Obviously the situation is not the same anymore. But you get the idea right? Edit: WTH I'm 6th post? Lotsa people are forum whoring today
William Hamilton Caldari THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:10:00 - [14] The time difference at higher levels of training is so immense that personal skill far outweighs it.
Admus Mobius Construct Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:12:00 - [15] Like the previous posts have stated, specialize. Fly whatever you want, but pick one style. Alos, find a corporation, find a niche, and check stuff out - In my opinion EvE is far better played with friends than solo. I looked up some guys and ended up going straight to low-sec for the first 8 months or so of EvE - many bash low-sec, but it has its merits. I had loads of fun. ---------------------------------------------------------- "Villains always have antidotes. They're funny that way."
Admus Mobius Construct Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:12:00 - [16] Like the previous posts have stated, specialize. Fly whatever you want, but pick one style. Alos, find a corporation, find a niche, and check stuff out - In my opinion EvE is far better played with friends than solo. I looked up some guys and ended up going straight to low-sec for the first 8 months or so of EvE - many bash low-sec, but it has its merits. I had loads of fun. ---------------------------------------------------------- "Villains always have antidotes. They're funny that way."
Miss Terry	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:19:00 - [17] Originally by: Jolin Ires Edited by: Jolin Ires on 19/06/2007 06:09:22 Well I can understand that as a new playe, you look at the 3-4+ year veerans and wonder.....how in the world will I ever catch up to them? What you have to actually realize is that EVE is NOT WoW. A lvl 10 player will never catch upto a lvl 70 player. In EVE, it's possible, but in a different way. Let me give you an example: As a new player, chances are you're going down the miner/industrialist path for the moment. Let's say 3 months down the line you train enough to fly a covetor with tech 2 strip miners, mining upgrades the whole shabang. The 4 yr old veteran mining next to you in a covetor, at that moment, is JUST LIKE YOU. This is because while you and him are in the covetor, you have exactly the same skills and bonuses. But after your mining is done, you get in a cruiser and he gets in a battleship. Obviously the situation is not the same anymore. But you get the idea right? Edit: WTH I'm 6th post? Lotsa people are forum whoring today Actually I would think that a lvl 10 can catch up to a lvl 70 as I think that is the highest level. Where as in Eve training is done in real time, so no you will never catch up. Also if you are planning on doing something other than mining do not train for mining, it will be wasted time. Run missions to make money. Specialize in a ship type you like. You will at some point get podded so keep clones up and don't take it too seriously.
Miss Terry	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:19:00 - [18] Originally by: Jolin Ires Edited by: Jolin Ires on 19/06/2007 06:09:22 Well I can understand that as a new playe, you look at the 3-4+ year veerans and wonder.....how in the world will I ever catch up to them? What you have to actually realize is that EVE is NOT WoW. A lvl 10 player will never catch upto a lvl 70 player. In EVE, it's possible, but in a different way. Let me give you an example: As a new player, chances are you're going down the miner/industrialist path for the moment. Let's say 3 months down the line you train enough to fly a covetor with tech 2 strip miners, mining upgrades the whole shabang. The 4 yr old veteran mining next to you in a covetor, at that moment, is JUST LIKE YOU. This is because while you and him are in the covetor, you have exactly the same skills and bonuses. But after your mining is done, you get in a cruiser and he gets in a battleship. Obviously the situation is not the same anymore. But you get the idea right? Edit: WTH I'm 6th post? Lotsa people are forum whoring today Actually I would think that a lvl 10 can catch up to a lvl 70 as I think that is the highest level. Where as in Eve training is done in real time, so no you will never catch up. Also if you are planning on doing something other than mining do not train for mining, it will be wasted time. Run missions to make money. Specialize in a ship type you like. You will at some point get podded so keep clones up and don't take it too seriously.
Trem Sinval Sinval Enterprises	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:23:00 - [19] Let me tell you now that trying to play EVE to be the best is only going to lead you to disappointment. EVE's skill system is setup such that relatively new players can enjoy the (essentially) same bonuses that very old players do, while still providing some incentive for long-term play (as all MMOs must). That said, it's most important that you find something in EVE that you like to do or are good at, and in that you can find happiness without having to be the lvl70 with full epics. The reason WoW becomes so utterly boring is because you can cap out, and all that's left is dry PvE content to grind. EVE doesn't have that problem; you couldn't learn everything in game if you had twenty years to play. As you play, remember that while there will always be those with more SP, it doesn't automatically mean your play is invalidated, nor that you cannot win against them. Strategy and smarts (and a good set of friends) counts for way more than the arbitrary definition of skill points. Another way to think about the issue is that when EVE's skilltree was introduced, you could "cap out" in 5 or 6 years. Today, it is (as mentioned) more than 20 years long. Even though there may be 4 year old characters in game, their total realm of training possibility was far smaller than yours is today; they may have 50 million SP, but if half of it is in manufacturing and mining, fat lot that's going to do them when staring down the barrel of your blaster, eh? To be happy in EVE, find something you like to do. Then, find friends that like to do the same thing. Don't focus on what the Jones' have. Content and opportunity will come to you in their own time, and who knows, you might just find yourself the leader of the largest alliance in EVE one day, piloting a Titan. - Trem
Trem Sinval Sinval Enterprises	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:23:00 - [20] Let me tell you now that trying to play EVE to be the best is only going to lead you to disappointment. EVE's skill system is setup such that relatively new players can enjoy the (essentially) same bonuses that very old players do, while still providing some incentive for long-term play (as all MMOs must). That said, it's most important that you find something in EVE that you like to do or are good at, and in that you can find happiness without having to be the lvl70 with full epics. The reason WoW becomes so utterly boring is because you can cap out, and all that's left is dry PvE content to grind. EVE doesn't have that problem; you couldn't learn everything in game if you had twenty years to play. As you play, remember that while there will always be those with more SP, it doesn't automatically mean your play is invalidated, nor that you cannot win against them. Strategy and smarts (and a good set of friends) counts for way more than the arbitrary definition of skill points. Another way to think about the issue is that when EVE's skilltree was introduced, you could "cap out" in 5 or 6 years. Today, it is (as mentioned) more than 20 years long. Even though there may be 4 year old characters in game, their total realm of training possibility was far smaller than yours is today; they may have 50 million SP, but if half of it is in manufacturing and mining, fat lot that's going to do them when staring down the barrel of your blaster, eh? To be happy in EVE, find something you like to do. Then, find friends that like to do the same thing. Don't focus on what the Jones' have. Content and opportunity will come to you in their own time, and who knows, you might just find yourself the leader of the largest alliance in EVE one day, piloting a Titan. - Trem

Jeff Anderson Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:24:00 - [21] Basically, you'll never catch up unless the big boys stop training. This is a game where you have to begin to specialize from the start otherwise it'll take you for ever to get anywhere. Sig: Miners supply the ore that the Industrialists use to build the ships you PVP/E with so please think of them as your ship blows up from the enhanced PVP/E in EVE. We know CCP hasn't.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:24:00 - [22] Originally by: M3GATRON yeah you can catch up quite well but specialization is they key focus on one race and one type of weapons one type of tanking and youll be fine and DONT ask which race is best because it will degenerate into and endless spiral of pointless circular debate with no clear winner Minmitar is the best Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ~Liz Kali
Jeff Anderson Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:24:00 - [23] Basically, you'll never catch up unless the big boys stop training. This is a game where you have to begin to specialize from the start otherwise it'll take you for ever to get anywhere. Sig: Miners supply the ore that the Industrialists use to build the ships you PVP/E with so please think of them as your ship blows up from the enhanced PVP/E in EVE. We know CCP hasn't.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:24:00 - [24] Originally by: M3GATRON yeah you can catch up quite well but specialization is they key focus on one race and one type of weapons one type of tanking and youll be fine and DONT ask which race is best because it will degenerate into and endless spiral of pointless circular debate with no clear winner Minmitar is the best Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ~Liz Kali
M3GATRON Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:30:00 - [25] actually thats a good point and one thing that it really helps to learn early you are not CAPTAIN KIRK your ship is not the ENTERPRISE if it gets blown up it's not the end of the world get another try again dont take it seriously it a game just enjoy it and dont try to measure up to this guy or that just do your best and keep improving and one final thought about pvp USE WHAT YOU CAN LOSE
BluOrange Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:31:00 - [26] Specialization is definitely a good thing for a newbie to do. The other thing is to get involved with a corp that knows how to make good use of low skillpoint characters - scouting is a common task to assign to a low-sp character and for good reason; it takes player skill to give an intel report, it doesn't take much character skill. Similarly, salvaging is an activity that a lot of players 'graduate from'; it's good money for a newbie, but not so good once you're a few months in. And, if you can bring enough low-SP characters together, you can do a hell of a lot of damage, just using T1 frigates and effective tactics. Recruitment FAQ
Kwint Sommer	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:44:00 - [27] After a few months of training and learning the game you can compete with the most advanced players in corporate operations. Sure in a 1vs1 with similar ships the guy with an extra four years of skills and experience will win but most of EVE isn't 1vs1 and when it is it's often with very different ships. For the first few months you won't feel like a newb because of a lack of Skill Points or ISK but rather because you're still getting familiar with the million different facets and intricacies of the game world. If you train very carefully -there are programs that will help you plan out skills- you could be flying a capital ship by the end of the year. Again, even in your carrier you would loose to a several year old carrier pilot in a 1vs1 but carriers are meant for fleet ops where you can still be extremely effectively. In EVE it has been shown that a massive swarm of fairly new players can overwhelm older corps even with high Skill Point players. Ultimately numbers and coordination matter far more than Skill Points.

Ductoris Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:49:00 - [28] Something else that no one has said yet and that is real life skill matters as well. Sure in game skills are needed but once you train them up your own reaction time and understanding of the game matters a lot. Consider a 1v1 with frigs, sometime over the next 5 or 6 months you can be as good as a 4 year old player, but even after a few months you can out smart them if you PvP alot before hand and learn the game. Same with the market, hard work and attention to detail can net you some large profit, even if your paying 5% more in taxes than the vet. forum rules \| Email us

Jolin Ires Gallente Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:51:00 - [29] Originally by: Miss Terry Actually I would think that a lvl 10 can catch up to a lvl 70 as I think that is the highest level. Where as in Eve training is done in real time, so no you will never catch up. Also if you are planning on doing something other than mining do not train for mining, it will be wasted time. Run missions to make money. Specialize in a ship type you like. You will at some point get podded so keep clones up and don't take it too seriously. My point wasn't as much "catching up" as more bing that a lvl 10 will never be on equal footing with lvl 70. In EVE it's possible under certain circumstances to be on fairly equal footing with a 4+ yr vet.
ChefQuix	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:58:00 - [30] Well thank you all for the feedback. I kind of figured out that specialization is the way to catch up, but I haven't figured out how I want to specialize! I guess I'll figure that out after time I suppose it doesn't help that I don't even know all of the areas to specialize in :P



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