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Wekiva	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:17:00 - [1] Edited by: Wekiva on 19/06/2007 22:18:53 Hi, I'm trying this game out... so far it's pretty awesome, it's defineatly a "different" game... But so far I'm really not sure what's going on with the rest of the players (I.e. it seems like its a slow-paced, extensive solo-PvE grind). So how long should it take to view "end-game" content.. is it all just a long grind? I'm a little confused on the whole "goal" of this game. And how long should it take to get there. So far all I've seen are some large ships..
Larg Kellein Caldari GTE Corp	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:18:00 - [2] Originally by: Wekiva Yeah, that about sums it up. A blank canvas indeed. Originally by: Roy Batty68 My software has wronged me!!! And it's immediately "sorry". Well, ok then. I suppose I'm not so upset at my software if it appologizes.
Zaqar	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:19:00 - [3] <- Endboss of Jita
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:20:00 - [4] "When Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept for there were no more worlds to conquer."
Wekiva	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:21:00 - [5] Edited by: Wekiva on 19/06/2007 22:20:42 haha I dont know why it did that but I did have something to ask... lol and P.S. noob question - where are the other races? I chose Caldari but are the other 3 races all doing the same stuff in the same systems?
The Pointless Gallente Plastic Toys	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:22:00 - [6] Edited by: The Pointless on 19/06/2007 22:21:03 Originally by: Wekiva Edited by: Wekiva on 19/06/2007 22:18:53 Hi, I'm trying this game out... so far it's pretty awesome, it's defineatly a "different" game... But so far I'm really not sure what's going on with the rest of the players (I.e. it seems like its a slow-paced, extensive solo-PvE grind). So how long should it take to view "end-game" content.. is it all just a long grind? I'm a little confused on the whole "goal" of this game. And how long should it take to get there. So far all I've seen are some large ships.. looks at prior responses Oh boy /SamBeckett The only goals of this game are the ones you set yourself. There is no end. Until CCP runs out of dosh to run the game. Or you quit. ----------------------------------------------- "Breaking News! The Pointless hates GIFs!"
Rilder Caldari THC LTD	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:22:00 - [7] Edited by: Rilder on 19/06/2007 22:22:16 Originally by: Zaqar <- Endboss of Jita <- Final boss of the level 3 mission "Engame" I also have 100 smimy carebear slaves , and yes there is no endgame except maybe if you die while not in your pod... ---------- -Rilder Visit my blog =) http://rilderslog.blogspot.com/
Kylegar Caldari The Dark Horses Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:25:00 - [8] The game is over when you decide to quit. You can get as powerfull as you want, you can do whatever. Complete every lvl 4 mission 8 times over, make 1 billion ISK, and spend it all in 5 min at Jita 4-4, Conqure the galaxy (IE: Join bob) then tear it down. Its all up to you.
Stakhanov kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:25:00 - [9] There is no real endgame. Well , you can be a titan pilot in a major alliance , but we're talking about 3+ years of work. Let's just say that Eve is very different from WoW.
Wekiva	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:26:00 - [10] Haha I knew I was gonna get a response like that So should how long should it take to reach this infamous "end-game"content. I've heard some about it.. still not sure exactly what happens though considering all I've seen are agent missions and some mining.
MotherMoon	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:27:00 - [11] it's allright I'll tell you what happen you said end game there is no end game lol come out to 0.2 space and PvP on your day if you like :P I trained for 220 days just to max out of frig skills and move into Assult figates but what I do hasn't changed much if you take eve as a slow paced grind then it will be or you can join a corperation like eve university and get most basic skills for free free ships and such everytime I kill something in a lvl 4 mission I make about a mil what I enjoy is getting killmails and exploring chating with corp mates protecting space now with sov, the "end game" which can be done form lvl 1 again remember is all about taking over space in 0.0 space :) or just being a pirate pain or hunting the pirates I don't know what to tel you :) it's more like... a 6 month grind of stuff untill the next expansion is out :) rev 3 man! you joined at the perfect time! also unlike other games you won't see rare equipment used that offen. so while you can find uber gear, most players will just use basic or tech 2 stuff hell someplayers don't even have combat skills they just build and make everyone love them :PP invention exploration whatever your pick
The Pointless Gallente Plastic Toys	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:28:00 - [12] sigh As I said, there is no endgame. This game does not have an end, it just goes on, allowing you carve your own path through the game. ----------------------------------------------- "Breaking News! The Pointless hates GIFs!"
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:28:00 - [13] Being an alliance Titan/Mothership pilot is akin to entering prison. Don't know if that is really 'end-game' or not. My end game is... hmm. To the OP. There is no end-game. There is only EVE and the constant struggle to achieve... whatever it is you want to achieve. ---- The Ridley Tree Productions Vault of Videos
MotherMoon	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:29:00 - [14] Edited by: MotherMoon on 19/06/2007 22:30:05 Originally by: Wekiva Haha I knew I was gonna get a response like that So should how long should it take to reach this infamous "end-game"content. I've heard some about it.. still not sure exactly what happens though considering all I've seen are agent missions and some mining. if I can get in the damn game I'll chat it up with yah oh and kinda like FF11 sudder I hate that game you can start over at any time like haha I'm a 3 year old combat titan pilot while being at the same time I'm a production lvl 1 noob :) the grind is just to make the isks to PvP more :) or PVE in the new stuff if you like PVE stuff more you're going to have to wait 6 months for rev two, as they have really been pushing they want to make PVE more of a game becuase right now it's a grind to no end game content lol
Samuel Freedom Minmatar Ramdon Industries corporation	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:30:00 - [15] Originally by: Wekiva Haha I knew I was gonna get a response like that So should how long should it take to reach this infamous "end-game"content. I've heard some about it.. still not sure exactly what happens though considering all I've seen are agent missions and some mining. You make the end-game, you are the end-game.
Izo Azlion Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:30:00 - [16] Originally by: Wekiva Haha I knew I was gonna get a response like that So should how long should it take to reach this infamous "end-game"content. I've heard some about it.. still not sure exactly what happens though considering all I've seen are agent missions and some mining. Your problem is that you think theres an endgame. its also your gift. Explore EVE, dont be scared, take teh risk with the rewards, and enjoy it. :) Izo Azlion. --- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Hango ([email protected]) Thanks to Stubnitz for the Sig.
Edey Minmatar ReD eYe Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:32:00 - [17] Originally by: Wekiva Edited by: Wekiva on 19/06/2007 22:18:53 Hi, I'm trying this game out... so far it's pretty awesome, it's defineatly a "different" game... But so far I'm really not sure what's going on with the rest of the players (I.e. it seems like its a slow-paced, extensive solo-PvE grind). So how long should it take to view "end-game" content.. is it all just a long grind? I'm a little confused on the whole "goal" of this game. And how long should it take to get there. So far all I've seen are some large ships.. It's like 5-8 monthes to get some end-game, Eve is really ugly at that side, I mean not friendly to new players. You have to spend 2 mothes to get you Learning skills done and then start training another ones you like. __________________________________________________
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:32:00 - [18] Originally by: Wekiva Haha I knew I was gonna get a response like that So should how long should it take to reach this infamous "end-game"content. I've heard some about it.. still not sure exactly what happens though considering all I've seen are agent missions and some mining. No "end-game" whatsoever in this game. ------------------ "If you ever need anything please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first."
Wekiva	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:34:00 - [19] Okay, so that makes sense, this is more of a sandbox-type game rather than level/gear-driven (WoW). That's cool.. a good change. I guess I haven't seen this part of it yet. So far it seems my only options for progression is the agent missions. Mothermoon, cool I got a lot of questions. So for my character, I wasn't sure about the industry/science/economy side of this game.. So I'm sort of devoting my attention to becoming a "Bounty-Hunter" type character.
Stellar Vix State War Academy	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:34:00 - [20] Eve has an end game? ========= 400x120 13kbs... SWA Qualified Instructor and Mascot or sorts Ensign Stellar Vix
Mari Onette	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:35:00 - [21] Don't play eve solo. I dont know how I can stress this enough. Get into a corp with people you enjoy being around and who know what they are doing. You don't always have to fly with a partner, but you ALWAYS want a few friends nearby. Furthermore, established players can give you stuff that you wouldn't normally have access to as a noob (skills in particular comes to mind). I know that when I get a friend to join the game, the first thing i do is give them 10m isk to play with. Would I do that for a corp mate I just met? Probably not, but after a few weeks if i like you well enough, sure why not? Corps has a vested intrest in making sure that everyone has the ships and fittings they need to be the best they can. A big reason I continue to play eve is I've got a few people I want vengance on, and I've also got some good friends i enjoy playing with. Without friends and enemies, the game just gets boring. Running missions is a decent way to grind for cash, especially level 4+, but it will eat away at your sanity after a little while.
SonOTassadar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:36:00 - [22] Originally by: Wekiva Okay, so that makes sense, this is more of a sandbox-type game rather than level/gear-driven (WoW). That's cool.. a good change. I guess I haven't seen this part of it yet. So far it seems my only options for progression is the agent missions. Mothermoon, cool I got a lot of questions. So for my character, I wasn't sure about the industry/science/economy side of this game.. So I'm sort of devoting my attention to becoming a "Bounty-Hunter" type character. You can be a jack of all trades. I've got some mining, refining, trade, and science/industry skills under my belt, but most of my SPs are in fighting, and more specifically handing out leadership bonuses. Just depends on what you want to do. ----- Griffin -- 100,000 ISK ECM - Multispectral Jammer Is -- 20,000 ISK Standard Missile Launcher Is -- 10,000 ISK War target sobbing over losing a fight in his T2 fitted Battleship -- priceless
Ask Unbeatable Gallente HighTech Marines Ltd. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:37:00 - [23] Killing bob.
Duke Kessler Caldari Early Assault Recon League	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:37:00 - [24] Ok, I still remember being new (wasn't that long ago) so I'll be nice to the new guy. Like others have said, there is no "end-game" in eve. However, there are different paths you can take. If you like that mining stuff you're doing you could concentrate all your training towards getting the most efficient mining setup. Currently a Hulk is the best you can go, but who knows if that will hold true. Most players, however, eventually join a large corp that has access to 0.0 space and spend most of their time PvPing. In that case I would suggest picking a type of ship you like and work your skills so you are the best pilot you can be. The great thing about EvE is there are easilly hundreds of ways to find "success" and just as many ways to fail. Every career path has the potential to make you rich, and there are new ways to make money that noone has tried yet. But be warned, Eve is a PvP game, at some point you will be drawn into a fight. Be prepared.
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:37:00 - [25] End game consists of factional warfare against other player driven alliances. Of which there are many aspects that you can choose to participate in, such as diplomacy, pvp, or industry. The end game is also very very dynamic because its player vs player, which is why I think a lot of people choose to say there is no end game.
The Pointless Gallente Plastic Toys	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:39:00 - [26] Originally by: SonOTassadar You can be a jack of all trades. I've got some mining, refining, trade, and science/industry skills under my belt, but most of my SPs are in fighting, and more specifically handing out leadership bonuses. Just depends on what you want to do. I'd rather be a jack of all trades than a master of one. ----------------------------------------------- "Breaking News! The Pointless hates GIFs!"
MotherMoon	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:39:00 - [27] Originally by: Wekiva Okay, so that makes sense, this is more of a sandbox-type game rather than level/gear-driven (WoW). That's cool.. a good change. I guess I haven't seen this part of it yet. So far it seems my only options for progression is the agent missions. Mothermoon, cool I got a lot of questions. So for my character, I wasn't sure about the industry/science/economy side of this game.. So I'm sort of devoting my attention to becoming a "Bounty-Hunter" type character. sure thing :) my corp won't be joinable sadly :P were all only our bloodline something :P but our alliance is open to everyone :) maybe I can find someone that will take you in if not we'll hunt one down like eve university or somethign for now by the way joining our allaince means you WILL be blown up a lot :) but you'll learn and die allmost ever and only mine and stuff in systems with allaince members in it that way you never get stuck alone but if you want to explore get a cheap ship that will explode soon :) ratting in 0.0 can be done in a cruiser and a titan while being able to own ships with doomsday will never gun down a cruiser so a non-doomsday titan can't kill a cruiser it kinda plays off this there is no ulitmate ship idea. well there are bigger ships and un-killable situations but basicly :P
Drachma Golea Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:40:00 - [28] Originally by: Wekiva Edited by: Wekiva on 19/06/2007 22:18:53 So how long should it take to view "end-game" content..
Bartholomeus Crane	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:40:00 - [29] That's the thing with these open-ended games: there is no spoon ... -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:43:00 - [30] Like the other guys said, this game doesn't have the "End Game" type construction to it. But I'll go into a bit more detail to describe it. In other games, you need to reach a certain "level" before you can participate in various areas. Otherwise, you don't stand a chance and everything will kill you. But, on the other hand, as your "level" goes up, other areas become useless to you because you no longer gain experience from them and the enemies are too easy. With Eve, things are different. You can theoretically participate in ANY aspect of the game, right from the start. Yes, you will need to take some time to fill certain roles within various types of activities, but there will still be a job for you in just about every part of this game. The key is to get involved with the right people, that can show you all the various ways you can play the game. Another thing you will find different is that your character can do ANYTHING you want it to do. Yes, you may be a certain race, but that does nothing to restrict you. If you want to go in a different direction at any point, just go! Want to go back to something you used to do? Sure, go for it! There are no level caps, no closed off abilities, no need to reroll a new class of character. The "End Game" begins at the login screen.
Iyanah Minmatar Mining Munitions and Mayhem R i s e	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:45:00 - [31] Originally by: Wekiva Edited by: Wekiva on 19/06/2007 22:18:53 Hi, I'm trying this game out... so far it's pretty awesome, it's defineatly a "different" game... But so far I'm really not sure what's going on with the rest of the players (I.e. it seems like its a slow-paced, extensive solo-PvE grind). So how long should it take to view "end-game" content.. is it all just a long grind? I'm a little confused on the whole "goal" of this game. And how long should it take to get there. So far all I've seen are some large ships.. "end-game" deffine end game? there is no grind, this isn't wow where you can hit the uber-hard-pwnxor-boss before you've finished your 6-pac of red bull, oh no, this is a different game alltogether. there is no "end game" in eve, because that implies there's an end, a point at which you've done everything, that's just not how it works here. being able to fly a battleship could be considered reaching the equivilant of the wow end-game, however being able to fly a battleship is very different to being any good at flying one. i advise you don't look for some end game. pick yourself a target, something, some role, you wish to fill, maybe command ships, carriers, recon ships, etc, and max out everything you can relating to it. once you've done that, you'll probably want to go find yourself a new target to aim at, maybe dreadnoughts or carriers, or a different t2 ship type. ========================================== Iy please remember: I AM a sarcastic ******* and nothing i say has ever represented the thoughts or feelings of my corp, alliance, or anyone really. read
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:48:00 - [32] Originally by: Wekiva Okay, so that makes sense, this is more of a sandbox-type game rather than level/gear-driven (WoW). That's cool.. a good change. I guess I haven't seen this part of it yet. So far it seems my only options for progression is the agent missions. Mothermoon, cool I got a lot of questions. So for my character, I wasn't sure about the industry/science/economy side of this game.. So I'm sort of devoting my attention to becoming a "Bounty-Hunter" type character. Actually, you don't even have to do missions at all if you don't want to. I did it for a while to increase my standings (which can be useful in some circumstances), but have stopped now since I joined an alliance that lives out in 0.0 space again. There's a lot of things you can do or be in the game. Science is a little far off for you, and probably manufacturing as well (depending on what kind of character you have), but anyone can trade. Higher skills in trading just make it a little more convenient and increases your profit margin slightly by reducing broker fees on market buy and sell orders. Also, some corporations (player corporations) will supply you with ships and equipment (cheap stuff at first though) so you don't have to worry too much about money in the beginning, and you can learn from your corp mates faster than you would learn being on your own. ------------------ "If you ever need anything please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first."
Garamond	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:50:00 - [33] I'm confused. I've been playing for a LONG time and I'm not even sure where the Startgame is. It's just a game. a world. There is no overarcing goal. heck there is barely a interactive storyline. All it is is thousands of stars you get to explore and forge your own way in.
Wild Rho Amarr Endgame.	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:54:00 - [34] I AM THE ENDGAME BOSS!!! For your final ultimate quest bring me 5 fedos, oh and some rum too.
Dimitrios Ypsilanti	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:05:00 - [35] Isn't the end-game when one alliance has dominated Eve? When someone has assumed the role of Evil Empire and taken over all of 0.0? That'll be a while. Choose up sides and start shooting.
Xianthar STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:11:00 - [36] i'll try to summarize eve.... PvE in eve is not that great, if thats what you are here for, consider WoW instead, pve in eve is a means to fund your other activities and nothing more.... Eve is about 2 things really...PvP and the free market economy both are player to player interaction based i.e. you are going to have to talk to people. pvp: the most exhilarating of any game i've ever played because there is real loss involved, you can easily lose a ship it took you 3 months to get in 5 minutes and its gone, there is no grave yard where it magically appears. the game also requires more real teamwork than any other game i've played, epic 100v100 battles where billions of isk is lost are common place. It is quite possible and happens daily that a group of people can lose a station and everything in it and an outpost runs around 25 billion isk and takes the effort of a large group of people to put up. true player controlled space, no other game has this to the level of eve, real people control the majority of the space in eve (0.0 sec regions), battles are fought and space is won and lost, empire of thousands of players grow and fall, its not like capturing a flag in wow that is for sure. free market economy: you may not know this but 95+% of everything you see on the market is player created, materials are collected or bought, blueprints are used and the results are sold on the markets. With each region having a seperate market it is quite possible to be a professional trader and buy in one section to sell in another. If being an industrial barron sounds cool to you eve will give you the most realistic experience i've come across. There is a reason that the market dynamics in eve are studied by economists, they are the closest thing to a completely unregulated market left in the world, virtual or not the dynamics are the same. what eve is not: single person pve....if this is what you like look elsewhere, the game is not focused on this, pve is only there as a means to fund aspirations. easy, this game has a huge learning curve. quick, the short answer to your question is that you will need to play for 9ish months (9 mil skill points) before you are an "effective" player. By effective i mean capable of surviving 0.0 on your own without hand holding and being a contributing member to your corp. learn to be a decent fighter first, then look at industrial skills if thats your thing...you need to be able to defend yourself...become a decent BS and interceptor pilot first, that is a good first goal. -xian Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:16:00 - [37] It's a sandbox game. It ends when eiher you quit or all the rest quits. No other "endgame" in sight. _ New char creation guide \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Hammer Judge Gallente Southern Cross Incorporated Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:23:00 - [38] Edited by: Hammer Judge on 19/06/2007 23:24:12 Wekiva, if you're still reading this thread, you would get a lot of value from reading my guide. It helps fill the gaps between what you're used to in WOW and what you get in Eve. Edit: another poster above said you're not effective in 00 for 9 months. Not true. I'm there now after 3 months. It just gets easier the more skills you have. - My newbie guide for experienced MMO gamers.
Shalia Ripper Caldari High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:30:00 - [39] Game over man...GAME OVER.
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:33:00 - [40] There is no endgame. Shape your own destiny. The path is the goal. --- WTS: Forum Signatures, price negotiable. Evemail me!
Wekiva	Posted - 2007.06.20 00:33:00 - [41] Originally by: Hammer Judge Edited by: Hammer Judge on 19/06/2007 23:24:12 Wekiva, if you're still reading this thread, you would get a lot of value from reading my guide. It helps fill the gaps between what you're used to in WOW and what you get in Eve. I'm reading over your guide now. Thanks for the link. I read some other ones but they were more focused on introducing the player to the game. Thanks for all your guys responses. I'm understanding this alot better now. I guess having friends that have the wherewithall of this game would help alot. See you in game!
Slave 1138	Posted - 2007.06.20 00:50:00 - [42] Originally by: Edey Eve is really ugly at that side, I mean not friendly to new players. You have to spend 2 mothes to get you Learning skills done and then start training another ones you like. Total bull *****! You DO NOT need to train your learning skills as a new character. While it is something you should investigate for further advacnement, it is NOT something a new character needs to be concerned with!! These "train learning 2 month" statements are a sign of how ignorant even existing players can be.
Jane Spondogolo NoobWaffe	Posted - 2007.06.20 01:12:00 - [43] Kill BOB. Thats the endgame. Well for some of us....... ______ Unrepentant Southern Federation Cheerleader.
Jane Spondogolo NoobWaffe	Posted - 2007.06.20 01:14:00 - [44] I dont agree on it taking 9 months to be effective. You can roll out a basic interceptor pilot in a couple of months and go predate on lowsec. Or join a corp that caters for low skill players and blob the heck out of high sp players (veteran tears are far more delicious than newbie ones) ______ Unrepentant Southern Federation Cheerleader.
MotherMoon	Posted - 2007.06.20 01:15:00 - [45] Originally by: Slave 1138 Originally by: Edey Eve is really ugly at that side, I mean not friendly to new players. You have to spend 2 mothes to get you Learning skills done and then start training another ones you like. Total bull *****! You DO NOT need to train your learning skills as a new character. While it is something you should investigate for further advacnement, it is NOT something a new character needs to be concerned with!! These "train learning 2 month" statements are a sign of how ignorant even existing players can be. you've never used eve mon have you training the learning skills actually takes up less than no time getting them all to lvl 3 and your gunnery skills and all other basic skills to lvl 3 will take less time than just the basic skills pleases don't troll
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2007.06.20 01:25:00 - [46] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Slave 1138 Originally by: Edey Eve is really ugly at that side, I mean not friendly to new players. You have to spend 2 mothes to get you Learning skills done and then start training another ones you like. Total bull *****! You DO NOT need to train your learning skills as a new character. While it is something you should investigate for further advacnement, it is NOT something a new character needs to be concerned with!! These "train learning 2 month" statements are a sign of how ignorant even existing players can be. you've never used eve mon have you training the learning skills actually takes up less than no time getting them all to lvl 3 and your gunnery skills and all other basic skills to lvl 3 will take less time than just the basic skills pleases don't troll I think he's referring to the "other" method that occasionally still gets recommended for learning skills. Some folks basically claim that you need to get all the basic learning to 5 and advanced learning skills trained up to lvl4 before even starting training up any combat skills. This meathod is a totally mind numbing, game killing way to make people hate eve. Was even more harsh before they reduced the requirements for the advanced learning skills.
VanNostrum Cataphract Securities	Posted - 2007.06.20 01:42:00 - [47] when you enter 0.4 space in your first real frig with no money in your wallet, there's your end game with the loss of your first ship, with a bit of adrenalin rush and sweaty palms this game is seriously dangerous for health especially for wow-type powergrinders
AmbientOSX	Posted - 2007.06.20 02:11:00 - [48] You can lose everything you have in an instant... but in return things mean so much more when you gain them. Endgame? Endgame is whatever you as a player make it to be with dedication to your corp and a will to do "great" or "terrible" things. Need a signature? Send me an EVE mail. Professional work!
MasterDecoy Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.06.20 02:29:00 - [49] Originally by: Ask Unbeatable Killing bob. what he said. Originally by: Gan Dalf What's going on? Why is TQ down? Who is "GMT"? What's 'Reality', will it hurt?
Selene Le'Cotiere Amarr Dark Oracle Enterprises	Posted - 2007.06.20 02:40:00 - [50] Originally by: Mari Onette SNIP to get the funny comment Running missions is a decent way to grind for cash, especially level 4+, but it will eat away at your sanity after a little while. sits in corner making raspberries at imaginary pirates, while bound up in her straight jacket In all honesty, I think that the lack of any real "end game" to EVE that makes for its appeal. When I first started playing (with my own little delusions of grandeur), I likened playing EVE as almost like a chess game... Move - Counter Move, always try to think at least a few step ahead of you, and your potential opponents, regardless if it in industry/business or combat. If you loose a ship, always remember... It's only ISK. Pick yourself up, kick off the dust and move forward and use the loss as a learning experience.
Gavin Neltharek Caldari HellBrothers Industries FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.20 03:12:00 - [51] The only true Endgame in EVE is Alliance warfare. Up until that point you're just playing in the kiddie pond ;) <----------------------------------> A medley of death and evisceration... Let fate choose my enemies demise.
Prieith Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2007.06.20 03:30:00 - [52] Most games consist of "i want that loot, or, i want to kill that NPC" and you work towards that goal, first you got to be high enough lvl, then you got to find a guild that have the ability to get to this NPC, and so on. To get money, you kill more npc's, sell loot, resell loot, do quest or kill players. Several months later, the game introduces a new, better, tougher, more rewarding NPC, and you grind to be good enough to kill that thing. EvE consists of the point when you realise "oh, you can do that in EvE" and you work towards being able to do that. First you might need some extra skills, a better ship, be a part of an alliance, more money, to be able to do the thing you just discovered. To get money, you either produce and sell, mine, kill npc's, kill other players, do missions, steal from players, scam, the list is quite long. Along the line you will have many "i want to do that stuff" and you change your training and works towards that. Several months later, the game introduces new, better, more skill demanding things you can fly, fit, produce, invent, and you work towards being able to do whatever you choose from those.
Gladia Horusthu Gallente Ordo Pondera	Posted - 2007.06.20 03:37:00 - [53] Other than MUSHes back in the day, Eve is the only online game I've played. Been here off and on since late beta, be here when they turn off the lights. For me, the number one requirement for being happy in Eve is goal setting. This can be anything from being able to fly a certain ship or use a certain mod to being executor and dictator of a large alliance, or anything else. For example, I decided to start a roleplay corporation based on a faction there is almost no information on. That was a short term goal. A long term goal of mine is to claim sovereignty over a constellation in the name of the Equilibrium of Mankind. My ultimate driving goal, however, is undermining CONCORD and every Empire and major faction one at a time, destroying current institutions and replacing them with those of the Equilibrium. Along the way I have sketched out personal goals such as a complete T2 Dominix, a complete T2 Hyperion, flying a Thanatos, and flying a Nyx. Each of these things is something I had to set for myself. I think that most players do something similar. Concrete, quantitative goals (10.00 standing with an agent, 1 bill ISK in wallet, fly a T2 fitted battleship, get a faction battleship) serve to give a sense of satisfaction as one pursues less tangible or even impossible goals. In this model of play, you create your own endgame, depending on what you want to do. There is no "wrong" endgame to pursue, though each person may believe that their version is "right." Because for them it is.
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.20 03:59:00 - [54] Endgame of EVE PvP is flying a Nyx when you reach that stage you can kill anyone and everything with almost no risk to yourself
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.06.20 04:35:00 - [55] As other people have said there is no end gamge. you can do whatever you want from the start if you so wish. Ive seen players who have gone straight into fleet battles even though they are only a week old etc. If you want any help or guidance feel free to convo me in game.
Trade Girly	Posted - 2007.06.20 11:05:00 - [56] Originally by: Siege Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Slave 1138 Originally by: Edey Eve is really ugly at that side, I mean not friendly to new players. You have to spend 2 mothes to get you Learning skills done and then start training another ones you like. Total bull *****! You DO NOT need to train your learning skills as a new character. While it is something you should investigate for further advacnement, it is NOT something a new character needs to be concerned with!! These "train learning 2 month" statements are a sign of how ignorant even existing players can be. you've never used eve mon have you training the learning skills actually takes up less than no time getting them all to lvl 3 and your gunnery skills and all other basic skills to lvl 3 will take less time than just the basic skills pleases don't troll I think he's referring to the "other" method that occasionally still gets recommended for learning skills. Some folks basically claim that you need to get all the basic learning to 5 and advanced learning skills trained up to lvl4 before even starting training up any combat skills. This meathod is a totally mind numbing, game killing way to make people hate eve. Was even more harsh before they reduced the requirements for the advanced learning skills. It is true, this way makes ppl hate eve, but when you need to make BS skill up to lv5 don't cry when the number of days for training will be like 60-70 days. With learnings it takes 28-32. Yeah, like other masterminds say you do not need to train them, actually they are useless since they only shorten your overall training time, you have a long life after all.
Mah Kraah Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.20 11:08:00 - [57] eve endgame starts as soon u join ur first playercorp and ends when ccp once shut down the server forever
Beowulf Scheafer Gallente Hell Hounds	Posted - 2007.06.20 11:12:00 - [58] Originally by: Wekiva Haha I knew I was gonna get a response like that So should how long should it take to reach this infamous "end-game"content. I've heard some about it.. still not sure exactly what happens though considering all I've seen are agent missions and some mining. in the moment you kill another player, you are in the endgame. thats all you need to do...
Ladyah Liandri VMF-214 Blacksheep	Posted - 2007.06.20 11:13:00 - [59] Originally by: Ephemeron Endgame of EVE PvP is flying a Nyx when you reach that stage you can kill anyone and everything with almost no risk to yourself Really? You're sure you don't want to rephrase that?

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