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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2004.01.15 23:05:00 -
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Edited by: Homo Erectus on 15/01/2004 23:06:27
Is that the news, 95% of the time, reports a conflict, a problem, a disturbance. Just like life outside of this game, a lot of news is negative. Someone, some group or faction will always be crying about the news. Even if it's true.
Months back, there was polaris sponsored reporting of actual in game news when Evolution and friends were fighting the old VA. Due to some people crying about the news(which was 100% true due to the reporter actually being on the scene) making them look bad, polaris stopped reporting in game events.
That was a mistake. Tons of people loved it. It made people think that ccp actually showed some interest in the actual events that took place in the game by real players.
The recent news bit on the CA harboring minmatar rebels was taken down.
Does anyone know exactly why? I would like to keep the speculation to a minimum, and I would like to know the exact reason.
Regardless of why it was taken down, it was a mistake. |
Masochist
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Posted - 2004.01.15 23:07:00 -
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It's still posted on the main page.
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.01.15 23:08:00 -
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No idea re: taking the bit down, but a vote of support for the above.
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Kunming
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Posted - 2004.01.15 23:17:00 -
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CCP should be supported on this stuff not criticised! They r actually trying to liven up the player corp and/or alliance relationships so the story line doesnt always evolve around the theft of the damn Criele Cloaking device blueprints!!
Keep it up CCP...
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2004.01.15 23:20:00 -
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i couldn't give two hoots about the caldari provisions poisoning the gallante or any rubbish like that.
Player news is what we need, as long as peeps have a way to reply to it, through polaris organsied press conferences or the like.
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Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2004.01.15 23:23:00 -
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It was taken down because it was a Role Played piece of news that involved NPCS insinuated that the CA were pirates.
The CA wasnt able to RP it in any way shape or form because they werent given the option. That is why it was taken down.
As far as I'm concerned, all news that isnt the Standard CCP news bytes should be non-npc involved news.
I loved "The Scope" and its first day of coverage, it had professional writing and appeared to be great journalism. Its a damn shame it was scrapped for the POS (heres a hint, it doesnt stand for 'player owned stations) Scope forum we have right now.
Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate
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<Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market?
<Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with |
Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2004.01.15 23:24:00 -
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I agree 100% with the Homo at the top of the page. Right to reply - yes. Right to get news stories pulled as if they never happened - no. This is what I have to say about it from the corp forums:
I think getting it pulled was a bit pointless. If you had such a serious problem with the article why wasn't it discussed with CCP to get some sort of an article that comprehensively rebutted it. Assuming malicious bias could be shown that is. I thought in the original idea behind these reporters was that they were real characters and would take the flak for any lies as their characters?
I'm not sure I agree with the 'all NPCs should love us because we're X and never tell lies or have a different perspective' thing in any case.
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Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2004.01.15 23:25:00 -
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Seriously. I'd rather see news about people and corporations that I can actually have a conversation with.
Screw these RP news articles about synthetic made up people. (Note : They're still good, and sometimes damn funny.. I.E. The "incident"  ) But come on, when I see real things in the news it makes me say, "hey.. if I do this or that.. I can actually make the news.. schweet!"
Anyway, Keep the freakin' real news rollin' and crap to the whiners.
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Due to some people crying about the news(which was 100% true due to the reporter actually being on the scene) making them look bad, polaris stopped reporting in game events.
I'm sure Enron didn't want their happenings to make the news either, but news is news.
So long as it's fact, and the reporters inquery the involved parties for comments, then what's the problem!? Even if it's not fact.. you know propaganda never hurt anyone...really...not that bad anyway..
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2004.01.15 23:30:00 -
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The CA wasnt able to RP it in any way shape or form because they werent given the option. That is why it was taken down.
Who's to say the Minmatar ambassador didn't get podded at the gates to Curse?
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Helgu
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Posted - 2004.01.15 23:33:00 -
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I agree with Homo Erectus. It is wrong of CCP to be intimidated by player whines in this way. It doesn't make for good gameplay, roleplay or any other type of play. Case in point, CA's response to the polaris member "scouting" in their space. Don't let the paranoia of a few individuals ruin the game experience for all of us. |
Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2004.01.15 23:36:00 -
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Just thought I'd add, it would be nice to see Player owned and run corps be able to give stories or info that could then be "investigated" and later, if good enough, or true enough, posted on the news.
Then I could start "The Minmatar Times"
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Dtai'kai'-dte sa-de nau'gkon dtain'aun bpi-de.
if you don't wake up, i'll have to stop kissing you. all that flailing has made you sleepy. you rest while i untie you. stay here until they find you. My hand made mannequin. i won't let them get you. they'll know you're mine by the fingerprints on your throat. isn't she lovely? isn't she wonderful? like the *****s that we are, swatting flies from the wounds we design. |
F4ze
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Posted - 2004.01.15 23:39:00 -
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I say give the CA the chance to roleplay an answer on the frontpage news then!
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Miz Cenuij
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Posted - 2004.01.15 23:51:00 -
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Reporting on events which happen in game is a great idea, however it should be done in a completly unbiased opinion. Eve radio has done a good job at maintaining a nuetral position in all matters, lets hope CCP can take a leaf out of thier book should they choose to re include said content.
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Ardor
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Posted - 2004.01.16 00:05:00 -
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I love news about player interaction, too. It gives a feeling of a universe alive and breathing. But it wasn't fair in this case. Oracle is THE Minmatar roleplay corp. Check their homepage, check the library... To get such hard critic from their own faction is not what they deserve. Even ingame enemies support Oracle in this case (ooc only of course).
News are always biased (although some people still believe that all is true what they see or hear in tv/radio). So either we have to live with biased stories or stop this once again. And i hope there is a way to continue.
Maybe an compromise could be that we have several news agencies for the several factions and even for the bigger alliances. So when i read some news I know that this news comes from an amarrian newspaper and that news from a minmatar journalist...
NPC quotes (Emperor, NPC CEO's etc) should come from a GM only.
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Hippey
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Posted - 2004.01.16 00:09:00 -
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Don't talk about things you have no idea about. That goes double for you Homo.
CCP criticizing Minmatar that live in CA is horse****. Read the IS forum regarding this.
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Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2004.01.16 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: Alexis Machine on 16/01/2004 00:13:26
Good Idea Ardor
I could see me now.. "Bah! I don't beleive that fedo crap! It's written by a stinkin' amarian! Give me the Minmatar Times!"
What?...so I used my own made up possible future corp in an expample.. it's not biased! 
*edit had to remember Ardor's name.
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Dtai'kai'-dte sa-de nau'gkon dtain'aun bpi-de.
if you don't wake up, i'll have to stop kissing you. all that flailing has made you sleepy. you rest while i untie you. stay here until they find you. My hand made mannequin. i won't let them get you. they'll know you're mine by the fingerprints on your throat. isn't she lovely? isn't she wonderful? like the *****s that we are, swatting flies from the wounds we design. |
Hodokie Seek
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Posted - 2004.01.16 00:19:00 -
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I thought in the the players were to make the news, and history in the game? At least have a strong influence in it.
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[07:11:41] Hodokie Seek > k, will probably go in my Tristan.
[07:12:18] xxxx > tristan? is it a hazardous area?
[07:12:27] Hodokie Seek > Yep
[07:12:34] xxxx > nuts
[07:12:37] Hodokie Seek > Yep
[07:12:52] xxxx > wouldn't be so bad, but i'd hate to lose my implants
[07:13:06] xxxx > i'll go in my omen
/emote Hodokie Seek <---- No implants and no brains.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2004.01.16 00:21:00 -
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CCP criticizing Minmatar that live in CA is horse****. Read the IS forum regarding this.
So would it be fair to say that no NPC should ever be allowed to say anything negative about a player, ever? Even for RP reasons?
I am pretty shocked by the vehemence Lemetar's article has recieved. This has been taken entirely the wrong way.
IMO, I think the best way to have dealt with it would have been an official CA response printed in the ingame news.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2004.01.16 00:26:00 -
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IMO, I think the best way to have dealt with it would have been an official CA response printed in the ingame news.
Or even better if the reporter did overstep the mark, set his standings to -10 with all minmatar factions/corps, sack him and publish an article saying that he'd gone mad.
Quite why Oracle et al (the same goes for anyone in the game) should be immune to any criticsm from NPC corps is beyond me - especially when Oracle admit that they will happily pod any Minmatar who wanders into their space.
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Mallus Kulov
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Posted - 2004.01.16 00:33:00 -
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At least it was a week of reporting without another mysterious explosion of some ship ferrying children heading for the meat processing plant on Amarr Prime or some other incognito unknown cause to some disaster. Gotten far too over used. Good to see something reasonable hitting the front page...just try include both sides of the tale.
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Relentless
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Posted - 2004.01.16 00:36:00 -
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Forget about it, I guess it's old news now. CA wailed until CCP folded and removed the article. (I can't believe they allowed those whiners to dictate storyline) Pretty discouraging really. 
The mistake lay in involving the CA brats in any way. Player news and GM involved events in the future should focus on regions populated by adults who don't scream conspiracy theory everytime they don't get their way.
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Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2004.01.16 00:39:00 -
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especially when Oracle admit that they will happily pod any Minmatar who wanders into their space.
And the minmatar times will publish articles about it!
Seriously though.. I remember in beta when we had the player news thing.. it didn't work though because people kept posting WTS!! WTB!! blah blah is a lamer! so and so is such and such!
If they could somehow let players build their own "billboards" and have tickers and a "read news" button that opened the ingame browser to their sight with their news.. that would be kinda cool..
I dunno, but I still think they should keep posting REAL news with REAL people and REAL corps that actually DO crap in the game.
If someone has a problem with an article posted, then let them contact the "reporter" or "news agency" and request an interview.
Though the interview should automatically be requested to every party involved in the story. I mean, when have you ever read a news story that didn't say "blah blah denied to comment" or "so and so was unable to acknowledge such and such".
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Dtai'kai'-dte sa-de nau'gkon dtain'aun bpi-de.
if you don't wake up, i'll have to stop kissing you. all that flailing has made you sleepy. you rest while i untie you. stay here until they find you. My hand made mannequin. i won't let them get you. they'll know you're mine by the fingerprints on your throat. isn't she lovely? isn't she wonderful? like the *****s that we are, swatting flies from the wounds we design. |
Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2004.01.16 00:42:00 -
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That goes double for you Homo.
You must have missed the part of my post where I ask what happened.
Thanks for the double mint chocolate chip on a sugar cone, though. |
Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.01.16 01:46:00 -
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CCP criticizing Minmatar that live in CA ...
See, if the CA had anybody in it with enough brain power to see the difference between CCP criticising them, and somebody writing a RP story which involves some Minmatar spokesmen criticising them, we wouldn't have had all this nonsense. But, I guess that was too much to ask.
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Sturds
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Posted - 2004.01.16 01:50:00 -
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CA win the whiner's of the month award for january.
Now we probably wont see any more player-related stories caus it's too much hassle for CCP to deal with all the tearys.
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ColdFuzion
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Posted - 2004.01.16 02:07:00 -
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It would have been fine if the people or the corperations involved in the story were given the chance or even the option to roleplay this story the point is it was done without telling anybody anything and in the news it said stuff like "CA were given the opportunity to comment" when infact there was none given.
Im all for the idea only that give the people you make the story about a option to roleplay the story if they chose to.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.01.16 02:11:00 -
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Im all for the idea only that give the people you make the story about a option to roleplay the story if they chose to.
They chose not to; they chose to gripe and moan until the story was ditched. So that's storyline as well as CCP-organised events that the CA don't want to be part of; so much the better for everyone else.
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ColdFuzion
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Posted - 2004.01.16 02:21:00 -
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Ok lets put it like this say you woke up one day and there was a story about you that you were a notorius ore thief you went around stations trying to do regular business maybe go to the trade channel and sell stuff then people see your corp / name and start saying your a ore thief and they don't want to help you in any way. I think you would be a little upset that someone made you famous overnight without letting you know before hand.
Its all fair and good role playing as long as both sides know they are going to be.
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Relentless
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Posted - 2004.01.16 02:43:00 -
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But if such an article was written about a player who was an ore thief, it doesn't make sense to allow that player to veto the article just because they didn't like it. Also, if they are going to play an ore thief character (quite within the games rules) they might as well be proud of the fact that they were such a good ore thief they got an article written about them.
CA lives in Angel territory and pays dues to Angel stations. (Minmatars sworn enemies) They are allied with Amarr corps. They have annexed the Great Wildlands, the once free hunting grounds on the edge of Minmatar space.
Oracle and the People's Front RP as Minmatar freedom fighters. Yet, they will attack and pod an independent Minmatar hunting in the Wildlands, while protecting their Amarr allies in the same region.
It makes perfect sense that the Minmatar Republic would be furious with their blatant hypocracy. The article was entirely appropriate in the manner in which it represented that. And it is not appropriate that the CA be allowed to censor the article to suit their own agenda.
It is unfortunate that CCP allowed a few loudmouth brats shut down this story. But whats done is done. What is more important now is that CCP not give up on the idea of player news and events. And hopefully next time they'll have the sense to leave CA out of it, and give someone else an opportunity.
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Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2004.01.16 02:50:00 -
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Well said relentless.
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Dtai'kai'-dte sa-de nau'gkon dtain'aun bpi-de.
if you don't wake up, i'll have to stop kissing you. all that flailing has made you sleepy. you rest while i untie you. stay here until they find you. My hand made mannequin. i won't let them get you. they'll know you're mine by the fingerprints on your throat. isn't she lovely? isn't she wonderful? like the *****s that we are, swatting flies from the wounds we design. |
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