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Daegrath
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Posted - 2004.01.15 23:06:00 -
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Make ALL cargo containers have an option on them where if they are opened by anyone other than (3 options given)
- The player only who jettisoned it
- The corporation the player is part of
- The gang the player is a part of.
Also gang and corp could be combined. If sumone steals then concord wud show up, if its 0.5 or above. This would get rid of the idea of Ore thiefs.
DONT tell me secure cargo cans were used for that.. because i think many can agree no one after usign current cargo cans wants to use a cargo can which weighs a ton more, costs money to buy, and doesnt store neerly as much. Just add my simple idea to cargo cans and ud fix a BIG problem i think
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MSCNLN
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Posted - 2004.01.16 01:48:00 -
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secure cans are used for that...
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.01.16 01:56:00 -
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... This would get rid of the idea of Ore thiefs....
And that is exactly WHY it's such a bad idea. And for the eight millionth time. .. they are NOT THIEVES. If you throw something away, then it can't be stolen, regardless of whether you hoped to go back and collect it later or not.
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Daegrath
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Posted - 2004.01.16 20:40:00 -
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Belive what you want. but Cargo theft is a very annoying thign to emprie space miners. Im part of a production company and i dotn have time to waste on people taking my ore and i cant do anythign about it. Unless ur NOT a miner at all u shudnt talk at all because i think a majority of miners wud agree
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Galmore
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Posted - 2004.01.16 20:58:00 -
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i dotn have time to waste on people taking my ore and i cant do anythign about it.
But you can i used Secure cans in kisogo and would mine till it was full and i would then go get into my indy and hual it back to station.. you could get a friend to huall if u want ..
but sucure cans STOP ALL theifs unless u give them the password
A the Devs them selfs stated that cargo cans represent stuff u throw out eg toss out the window ...
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.01.16 21:34:00 -
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Belive what you want. but Cargo theft is a very annoying thign to emprie space miners. Im part of a production company and i dotn have time to waste on people taking my ore and i cant do anythign about it.
Yes you can; but you're too mean, or too lazy, or both, to do so, so you want it made impossible for people to pick up what you throw away.
TOUGH.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.01.18 02:48:00 -
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... This would get rid of the idea of Ore thiefs....
And that is exactly WHY it's such a bad idea. And for the eight millionth time. .. they are NOT THIEVES. If you throw something away, then it can't be stolen, regardless of whether you hoped to go back and collect it later or not.
i am a miner/fighter/producer  and i agree it is not Theft it was trown away that is why there is 10-100 secure cans in the belts for peoble not to swoop in and take your trash
also when we as a corp mine we have a hauller thats all part of the game
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Dawen DeRanger
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Posted - 2004.01.18 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: Dawen DeRanger on 18/01/2004 12:44:08
I've got to say, that from my point of view, the use of secure cans in space is becoming a much bigger problem then the occasional ore thief, and I'm an ex-miner type saying that too
Ore theft on the whole was a petty nuisense which could be minimized greatly if you showed a bit of common sense.
Now in Empire space you'll find it's rare to find an asteroid field that isn't littered with the damned things, and worse still you are seeing more and more of the things turning up at stations and jump gates advertising Corps.
I'd like to say. Get rid of secure cans in space, and get ride of Concord at the asteroid belts so that we can then kick the arse of those who would try to help themselves to stuff that has been temporeraly stored in space.
OK. I'm being a bit trite in what I'm saying, but I do feel that this one case where the cure is worse then the problem.
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Feiht ero
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Posted - 2004.01.18 16:52:00 -
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Jettison
To get rid of something or someone that is not wanted or needed
there you go, an ore thief is only picking up what you have thrown away, if it wasnt for us the belts would be full up with normal cans, just like they are with secure containers
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.01.18 19:25:00 -
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[I'd like to say. Get rid of secure cans in space, and get ride of Concord at the asteroid belts so that we can then kick the arse of those who would try to help themselves to stuff that has been temporeraly stored in space.
How about no? How about if you're incredibly dumb enough to "store" something by throwing it away and just hoping it happens to still be there when you go back for it, then you deserve to have it taken by someone else?
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Dawen DeRanger
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Posted - 2004.01.18 20:24:00 -
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You were getting me wrong. I'm not complaining at all about the occasional can theft I suffered from when mining. My main complaint was that I feel the 'cure'in this case is worse then the problem. On the whole I've had a couple of frigates cream off some Ore from a can I was mining, I didn't see it as being anything of a major problem.
I don't like not being able to go anywhere now without seeing all these bloody secure cans parked all over the place, often advertising everything I don't want, It just makes the game mesy and untidy. OK, I guess that's areflection of real life.
As for removing Concord from the asteroid belts. Well CCP say they want PvP, what better way to promote it as miners fight for those ore belts or to protect what they believe to be their property.
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[I'd like to say. Get rid of secure cans in space, and get ride of Concord at the asteroid belts so that we can then kick the arse of those who would try to help themselves to stuff that has been temporeraly stored in space.
How about no? How about if you're incredibly dumb enough to "store" something by throwing it away and just hoping it happens to still be there when you go back for it, then you deserve to have it taken by someone else?
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.01.18 20:42:00 -
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destroyeble secure cans or sec cans that need refastening atleast once a week or they will start floating
destroying a secure can could give yoy sec hit
and floating cans should be able to be picked up by anyone (in a big enough ship)
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.01.19 01:54:00 -
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No, you don't own things you jettison into space. It's not theft to salvage abandoned things.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Species 967091
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Posted - 2004.01.19 09:32:00 -
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No, you don't own things you jettison into space. It's not theft to salvage abandoned things.
Never a truer word spoken.
The people that tend to ***** & moan about my trade are just greedy. They all want quick isk. They mine so fast with many miner II's that they have no choice but to jettison it as it's being mined at a greater rate than their cargo hold can take.
This greed is your downfall & my gain, if you were not so greedy you could quite easily mine with one laser on an industrial, fill your hold, drop it off & then mine again, but people like yourself insist on using several lasers & drones to make a quick buck.
This is the reason why secure cans do not hold as much as standard jettisoned ones. The only answer is to mine with an indi in support.
Just hope he gets there before I do. 
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If your going to jettison it, don't complain when I pick it up!
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Kell Cherovoska
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Posted - 2004.01.20 01:31:00 -
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I prefer the term "Container Inspector".
All miners in 0.5 space and above are subject to The Asteroid Liberation Fronts pay and display pricing policy (TALFPADPP for short). Any ship moving at under 200m/s is subject to having their ore removed from any containers near themselves. We would prefer it if you refined the ore then moved the minerals back to the asteroid field, however we are not overly fussy.
This all started when we noticed the growing number of containers in 0.5+ asteroid belts. We are concerned that npcs jumping into the belts to attack miners experience a great deal of lag, giving an unfair advantage to anyone in the belt.
We hope our actions are appreciated by everyone in empire space. We will announce TALFPADPP in local before sweeping the belts of unwanted containers. We will be polite and courteous. We have already had some unpleasant customers, so remember, think before pressing enter. Its just a game, and Container inspectors have feelings too.
Director of Container Inspections |
Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.01.23 01:08:00 -
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I prefer the term "Container Inspector".
All miners in 0.5 space and above are subject to The Asteroid Liberation Fronts pay and display pricing policy (TALFPADPP for short). Any ship moving at under 200m/s is subject to having their ore removed from any containers near themselves. We would prefer it if you refined the ore then moved the minerals back to the asteroid field, however we are not overly fussy.
This all started when we noticed the growing number of containers in 0.5+ asteroid belts. We are concerned that npcs jumping into the belts to attack miners experience a great deal of lag, giving an unfair advantage to anyone in the belt.
We hope our actions are appreciated by everyone in empire space. We will announce TALFPADPP in local before sweeping the belts of unwanted containers. We will be polite and courteous. We have already had some unpleasant customers, so remember, think before pressing enter. Its just a game, and Container inspectors have feelings too.
as a miner i might surprise you by agreeing with you :-)
come on peoble the ALF has every right to take my trash
Paw
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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