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Maxdestiny
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Posted - 2007.06.21 08:50:00 -
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Hi folks i want to say first that these are my opinions only. As i go about my business in fountain I go to a dead end system and find someone farming. I asked this person was he farming and in not so good english the answer seemed to be a yes. There are so many cloaking ravens and farmers dotted thru eve space that it is crazy. I do not know why ccp cannot trace this isk where it goes and to whom and see the pattern. Its not hard to figure out. I think it might be this. That they dont want to lose the revenue that these accounts bring? I know that they would have to hire more folks to enforce isk farming and such but it seems to me that it has to be done. Folks buying isk to me doesnt seem fair. Also putting folks in a computer sweatshop is terrible too. They also have to come up with something that can detect cloaked ships. Soon as you come into a system they cloak. Then they log. There needs to be npc agression timer or something to that effect. It really puts a horrible taste in my mouth seeing all these marcoing farmers. But I am asking for your input folks about this. what is your feeling on this and shouldnt we speakup and tell ccp to do more about this? I know it must be very hard for ccp to actually catch isk farmers but come on. Someone who is in belts 23/7 npcing. They need to see what the toon does with its isk. Does it get transferred to a bunch of other accounts etc. They could police this better and give the player base better tools to police this also.
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Marine03112
Minmatar
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.21 08:50:00 -
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This is my post btw
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.21 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 21/06/2007 09:17:35
a) wall of texts, use pharagrapes;
b) farming is not against the EULA, what is against the EULA is isk selling.
Mi personal impression is that a good number of the changes in Revelation II will hurt isk farming, both by sweatshops and regular players.
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Angor
The JORG Corporation
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.21 09:24:00 -
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You know i dont know what is funnier, the thought of being made to play a computer game for money, having 50 chineese men all being whipped into making more isk in a computer "sweat-shop" of all places... or the idea of what their "boss" does to them when they loose one of their "company's" ratting ships to farm-hunters. Loosing 5 ships in a week must mean a firing squad lol.
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.21 09:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Angor
You know i dont know what is funnier, the thought of being made to play a computer game for money, having 50 chineese men all being whipped into making more isk in a computer "sweat-shop" of all places... or the idea of what their "boss" does to them when they loose one of their "company's" ratting ships to farm-hunters. Loosing 5 ships in a week must mean a firing squad lol.
mmmm interesting point. They get paid obvioulsy by the amount of ISK they make, they have a negative balance they owe the boss funds
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Haffrage
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.21 09:29:00 -
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Maybe it's just me, but so far every anti isk farmer post I've seen is a giant freaking wall of text, and the guy has no idea what white space is 
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Samaritan Azuma
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Posted - 2007.06.21 09:29:00 -
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and youll hurt the folks who use stealth legitamately in order to get your way?
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Ryo Jang
Central Defiance
Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.06.21 09:35:00 -
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i can live with that, so long as they can be scanned down.
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Ephemeron
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.21 09:45:00 -
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What's worse is when player alliances start sponsoring chinese isk farmers.
For example, Xelas provided cover for Doomsday corp - which is pure isk farming sweatshop. Now that Xelas got kicked by BoB, that corp moved to Soul of Fountain alliance.
Another big example is how Interstellar Alcohol Conglomorate alliance is sponsoring chinese isk farmers in Delve region.
I think that those of us who still give a damn about quality of the game should discourage alliances from protecting isk farmers by exercising gun diplomacy.
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Angor
The JORG Corporation
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.21 09:52:00 -
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Its funny how this bob kicking xelas out of fountian along with the isk farmers has had an impact on their business. They must be loosing so much money that the isk farming companies are now recouping money losses by buying time cards in bulk and reselling them at a higher price, im sure alot have noticed the sudden increase in time cards paid for by isk, could this be why???
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Necrocavus
Caldari
Necrons
NxT LeveL
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Posted - 2007.06.21 10:03:00 -
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Well, this game is all about skills, so someone cannot gain avantage against you by buying isk. Think about a few months player who bought Raven with isk coming from a seller. Can u give slightest chance to this person against Drake or Raven of a 3 years old player? No. So, people who buys isk actually hurt only themselves. They miss some fun of the game. Also, EVE has not millions of player as WOW has. So if they start kicking isk buyers and sellers, they will lose big part of their profit.
As a result, I don't see isk buyers as big problem against me. I play as I like and they play as they like. Money is their own money. Bla bla bla...
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2007.06.21 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Angor
You know i dont know what is funnier, the thought of being made to play a computer game for money, having 50 chineese men all being whipped into making more isk in a computer "sweat-shop" of all places... or the idea of what their "boss" does to them when they loose one of their "company's" ratting ships to farm-hunters. Loosing 5 ships in a week must mean a firing squad lol.
Usually the workers in the sweat shop get paid for the amount of IGC that they farm. So losing a ship would just come out of their wages. The big pain for them is the time taken to get and equip a new ship and get back out farming.
They will only face the firing squad if there is someone who can earn IGC faster than them. Or if they indicate that they believe that current leadership of the CPC are corrupt and a disgrace to the memory of Mao then they will face a for real firing sqad.
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Fantec
Caldari
Bilge Rats
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Posted - 2007.06.21 10:23:00 -
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You don't know if the farmers are selling the isk.
I have seen massive sweatshop mining in a belt, and a "big corp" doing the hauling.
The ("macro") miners could speak only bad English.
The corp was a English speaking corp.
So apparently not all "sweatshop-farming" is done for selling the isk.
My personal beliefs are that some corps hire (for real life cash) sweatshops to finance a war.
And there is no way in hell that CCP can do something about that.
(no flame intended)
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Ephemeron
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.21 10:30:00 -
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CCP can provide us with better tools of hunting down and killing someone in 0.0. The only safe spot is a POS, which can also be destroyed
To do that, we need 2 things:
1) nerf cloaking (isk farmers always use cloaks)
2) nerf logging off (isk farmers are well trained in all log-off tactics)
A well trained isk farmer can jump into a camped system and get away with various log off/on tricks.
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Marine03112
Minmatar
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.21 10:51:00 -
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Ephemeron is correct if ccp gives us the tools then we can regulate this or selves. thy themselves are losing cash by letting the isk go. if folks want isk let them by gtcs and sell them At least ccp gets the cash. Rather them than isk farmers. They can also trace isk trails and see a pattern of these players etc.
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Woody Barbarian
Infestation.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Fantec
You don't know if the farmers are selling the isk.
I have seen massive sweatshop mining in a belt, and a "big corp" doing the hauling.
The ("macro") miners could speak only bad English.
The corp was a English speaking corp.
So apparently not all "sweatshop-farming" is done for selling the isk.
My personal beliefs are that some corps hire (for real life cash) sweatshops to finance a war.
And there is no way in hell that CCP can do something about that.
(no flame intended)
So thats how BOB is so powerful, but wait the op is a BOBite, ooooooo my tin-foil hat is gettin hot.
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Marine03112
Minmatar
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.21 11:18:00 -
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Woody be constructive I am not here to flame. I am asking the players of ccp to band together to see ths issue addressed fully by ccp is all. Your flame is not very constructive.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.21 11:21:00 -
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I say target the isk buyers and ban em for good. If no one will pay cash for their isk, you have killed the incentive.
As for "cann CCP do something?" Hell yeah. Lo0k for accounts that mine 23 hours a day 7 days a week non stop and shut em down.
It is against the EULA to share an account and there is no way single human can run that schedule....
This is a waste of time. As long as they are using GTC or paying for accounts, CCP has NO incentive to shut em down. We lose and CCP makes money.
It is only a matter of time before most figure this out.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.21 11:24:00 -
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One other thing...
As for GTC's going up in isk price, I haven't figured that one out yet. It is late and I am tired, but I am sure someone has a good theory that they would like to share.
Just paid 400 mil isk for a 90 day GTC. that was the cheapest I saw on forums and they were going fast. What is up with that?
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Graduran Anguirill
Swedish Aerospace Inc
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.21 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: Graduran Anguirill on 21/06/2007 11:45:30
some suggested to make it easier to hunt down and find ppl in 0.0.. hmm..
think about that for a while, who does that really hurt in the longrun? The iskfarmers can just move empire or do something else, they will just adapt and maximise profit given the new circumstanses. The ones that would really hurt are the corps aimed more towards industry and the players that happen to like mining/ratting etc, kill off their game and you'll see the playerbase dropping slowly in 0.0, no doubt. Is this really what you guys want? Even less people in 0.0? I thought we all wanted more people in 0.0
To me it seems as if some peeps simply want better tools for their daily fix of slaughtering soloratters and miners with their gang. Blah cloak nerf this and nerf that.. and you use iskfarmers as the reason.. I simply dont believe it since logic says that they only will move or solve it in some other way. Profit has its own ways and it will always outsmart everything else :) Its in our nature. Just be honest and say: I wanna be able to gank more and its fine, at least its the truth 
(this is just my own lil conclusion and opinion ofc)
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Angor
The JORG Corporation
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.21 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Terminus adacai
One other thing...
As for GTC's going up in isk price, I haven't figured that one out yet. It is late and I am tired, but I am sure someone has a good theory that they would like to share.
Just paid 400 mil isk for a 90 day GTC. that was the cheapest I saw on forums and they were going fast. What is up with that?
Its the ex xelas sweat-shops i swear... they need to fill a hole in profit losses lol. I bet i'm not actually far from the truth...
Hiring a sweat shop with real money to work for you that sounds like an ace idea (although morally wrong of course hehe). Just think you could have a titan in NOTIME lol.
As for finding cloaking ravens... isnt the a patch coming out (or was out with RevII) that gives covert ops the ability to detect cloaked ships using somekind of "cloaker scan probe"
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Silpher
Symphony of Destruction Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 11:58:00 -
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This looks like a roundabout way to suggest the scanning of cloakers... again.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.21 12:10:00 -
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Here is a similar thread, started by a GM. Linkage
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