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Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.01.19 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Silverlancer on 19/01/2004 12:01:18
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And those ctd's ARE your own fault. Upgrade your 486dx33, install windows 2k instead of 2.0. Ive ever had only 5 ctd's in my entire time that i play eve (over a year now), and those were due to norton antivirus, which slows and bugs my pc to hell (i managed to remove it yesterday.... thank god!).
I disagree with skillshot, but you are wrong about the CTDs. It is EVE's problem. I have a 2.4Ghz Pentium 4 Northwood C + Radeon 9700, with windows XP fresh install. It gets malformed packet errors 2-4 times an hour and crashes to login. I have been torturing the tech support department... sending them zip files of ALL MY CRASH LOGS/DUMPS over and over again as they accumulate  . Finally, they responded and told me with a PERSONALIZED MESSAGE that they will actually do something about it   .
Plus, EVERY SINGLE LOG is exactly the same thing. Cept for timestamp. Which means its not my computer, its a bug
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Sqalevon
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Posted - 2004.01.19 13:01:00 -
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Edited by: Sqalevon on 19/01/2004 13:09:25
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7, make the game fun for all not just a few
I think that's the most impossible thing to ask. either you make a game that's extremely fun for some, or you make a game that's maybe OK for everyone. I can't for example see how anyone could make a game that appeals to both people who love Rollercoaster Tycoon and those who think Half Life is the best game ever...
LOL
i happen to be a great fan of both :)
although i'm strange :)
and talking about the game, yes it has some faults here and there but it isnt so anoying that it makes the game inplayable.
Ok it is disapointing that a game wich is based around battles and in particular fleet battles with over 1 50 ships in the same system, things get ugly, very ugly.
espacially when the drones are being deployed and the fireworks starts :-/
I dont have a clue about programming :)
but i know those guys at Relic that coded Homeworld did a very sweet job and maybe have found some sollutions that fix lag and cpu usage with loads a things on screen.
tobad eve battles cant be as steady as those in homeworld, but CCP must have heard that enough :-/
so i think i wont bother them again :)
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.01.19 13:37:00 -
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The only thing I agree with skillshot here is the title he chose for the thread.
Nice Job Devs. (Thumbs Up On EVE).
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Skillshot
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Posted - 2004.01.20 06:31:00 -
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Edited by: Skillshot on 20/01/2004 06:49:04
man what a bunch of idiots, its not about the game its about being blamed by the friggin ccp staff/devs who the fark ever for the problems thier scripting, codeing or hardware problems cause the players. all of you that flame me for my grammer need to go suckel on your mom a lot longer, and for those of you who seem to want to believe you have a brain then think about what was said in the first post, use what little ability it seems most of you have for thought process and ask your self. "if i pay to play and some idiot blames me for something thier company is soley respocible for wouldnt i be a bit MAD as well" oh wait i forgot all you idiots want to do it kiss up to ccp for some reason or you think it will help you get you a free month
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Voss Matsu
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Posted - 2004.01.20 08:01:00 -
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Personally, I love what the developers have done, not because I'm a fan boi, but because their programming has given me the chance to play a game of Eves quality over a 56k modem.
Don't ask me why, because I'm not a programmer, but it's over the same 56k modem that I experience very little to no lag during the game. That's while having the client, mIRC, and a web browser all running. So there can't be that much wrong with the game
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Skillshot
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Posted - 2004.01.20 11:09:00 -
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ok why is it so difficult for you people to get the idea, its not about what the devs have or havent done...... its about them and thier staff not blaming the paying players who use the game as the devs created it and then them or thier staff sit back and blame the paying customer.... am i the only one who seems to think this is wrong?
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Kipkruide
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Posted - 2004.01.20 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: Kipkruide on 20/01/2004 11:19:35
stop whining it's either you, your compu , your connection or something else, cause i never crach ever.
go buy some decent equipment.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2004.01.20 11:36:00 -
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Lag does happen, but it's not nearly as bad as before.
Last night I was in a battle with about a dozen ships on my screen and around thirty drones out and about. People were using missiles freely, and there were cans in space from an earlier fight. There were well over twenty ships in local. I experienced no lag. This would not have been the case before castor.
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Skillshot
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Posted - 2004.01.20 12:31:00 -
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ok kip you are stupid you just proved it, didnt you read the post right above....
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Elithiomel
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Posted - 2004.01.20 13:51:00 -
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Skillshot,
Try constructing your sentences in such a way that people who have not taken Remedial English can understand them (this is in no way a dig at people who have taken remedial english).
Your grammar is appalling, your spelling is awful and your punctuation is pathetic.
If you first correct these problems, then maybe people will listen to what you have to say in a reasonable manner.
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Engineers motto; If it doesn't fit, force it. If it breaks it needed replacing anyway. |
Skillshot
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Posted - 2004.01.22 11:12:00 -
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and your are who Eli the virgin mary.... correct yourself first then you may have time for others.
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Katjia
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Posted - 2004.01.22 11:18:00 -
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.doh wrong place
ccp pls pimp the convoys again.....ie put things back in them. |
s0cks
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Posted - 2004.01.22 11:58:00 -
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Time for the biomass and a new character hey skillshot? 
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LocalHost
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Posted - 2004.01.22 12:27:00 -
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waa, waa waa waa waa...... 
|Father of 1|Master of All| |
Skillshot
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Posted - 2004.01.23 11:22:00 -
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not likely s0cks... i dont give up that easily.
so posting it on the fourms didnt do much more then show others how much of an idiot you and all but a few of the replies to this post are.
but again if you would read the post in its entirety before making some assinine post about my use of grammer and or puncuation, which by the way is all but irrelvant over the internet. Then you may realize its no differant then if the cable company said its your fault your cable went out when all you did is turn on the tv after they hooked it up.
so i cant spell for crap so what, so i dont use grammer correctly so what, so im a diferant race then you who cares, it still will not change what is right or wrong or what happend. its bad buisness, its even worse customer support and over all it degrades the entertainment value not to mention the fact that many others do not play the game to be abused by the staff who blame the fault of the scripting and or codeing on the paying customer. but it seems im the only one to say that i dont like it and i get flamed for it.... ok flame away if it makes you all feel big and importaint but you would do better to try and squeeze blood out of a rock.
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Skillshot
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Posted - 2004.01.23 11:26:00 -
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Is there a web link to the mmorpg that you created so that we can compare them?
well it seems you skiped right past the point.. i made it simpler just for you so now even you can understand.
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Skillshot
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Posted - 2004.01.23 11:29:00 -
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7, make the game fun for all not just a few
I think that's the most impossible thing to ask. either you make a game that's extremely fun for some, or you make a game that's maybe OK for everyone. I can't for example see how anyone could make a game that appeals to both people who love Rollercoaster Tycoon and those who think Half Life is the best game ever...
difficult yes impossable no but as it stands this game is totaly tilted twords player rats even in .4 and lower space...
but it seems you as well skipped over the point of the post. this post is about being blamed for the lag when i had nothing to do with what is respocible for causing the lag, like you i simply paid the cash and played the game
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Skillshot
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Posted - 2004.01.23 11:30:00 -
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Lets clear this vital point up right away.
Half Life > Rollercoaster Tycoon
you still miised it ( btw both games bite the big one )
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Skillshot
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Posted - 2004.01.23 11:32:00 -
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/me throws Skillshot 2 isk
Go buy a clue...
I don't see any flaws in program design in EVE. At most a few things that need perfection, but nothing major. There are always tradeoffs in design.
As the game is now, a player from australia with 56K modem has the same chances in combat vs a londoner on broadband. That is not bad design, it's a DECISION.
wow you as well seemd to skip over the point..
i dont have nor is thier enough isk to give you so they can staple the clue to your face
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Skillshot
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Posted - 2004.01.23 11:33:00 -
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Sorry I read this 3 times and tried to find a valid point. I couldnt find one.
ok i was blamed for creating the lag by using drones...
if they know what they are doing the lag would not exist, if they where smart they would not blame it on thier paying customers.
get the point?
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Skillshot
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Posted - 2004.01.23 11:38:00 -
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1, find better programmers
That piece of advice is incredibly helpful! I'm amazed that nobody thought of that before! Wow! It must be hard to come up with things like that. Did you do it all by yourself? I wasn't sure, because, you know...it was so original! And so eloquently stated, too!
and the sarcasm is for??? a new shuttle, again so my skills with grammer and or spelling is not up to par, but just think if it wasnt for me your stupidity wouldnt shine through quite so well
"find better programmers" Yeah, that will fix it, sure enough. I can't believe how insightful you are!
wow why cant the devs and or the polaris people use thier right accounts to post.... oh yea they dont want people to know the truth
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Skillshot
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Posted - 2004.01.23 11:39:00 -
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Sorry I read this 3 times and tried to find a valid point. I couldnt find one.
As much as I hate to admit it, Im gonna have to agree with you Kur
well at least this wast a flame :P
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Skillshot
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Posted - 2004.01.23 11:40:00 -
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Whiner
Definition: [n] a person given to excessive complaints and crying and whining
Synonyms: bellyacher, complainer, crybaby, grumbler, moaner, sniveller, squawker
ohh you must be.. wait dont tell me... oh yea... Homer Simpson
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Skillshot
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Posted - 2004.01.23 11:45:00 -
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Hmm.....
Unfounded criticism. Blaming it all on the devs.
I'd want to see you programming this, organising the servers, getting the money, typing the code.....
Fact is that this game is the best mmorpg ever made, simply due to it's scope and depth. Other games almost completely limit themselves to hack&slash play, whereas here, the programmers found a way to intigrate an entire new concept in the game, being the market and production. PvP will sound like throwing ammo and missiles at each other at high speeds, but there is a lot of PvP going on without even one gunshot. Look for example to the latest Techell accusation :)
Fact is that this game is good, nigh perfect. The only problems are details, small details.
And have you ever seen a game that EVERYONE liked? I don't think so. If that game existed, no other games would have to be made, and it would have sold in the 100 millions of pieces. Sadly, only the Sims has passed more than 20 mil afaik, and i know a lot of people who hate it with all their hearts (read: men).
And about that quality, try and find 1 other mmorpg that offers the quality of gameplay that this game offers. You wont find it. Other than SWG, no game even comes close to this one, and SWG itself is bugged beyond hell, even more than eve in alpha.
And those ctd's ARE your own fault. Upgrade your 486dx33, install windows 2k instead of 2.0. Ive ever had only 5 ctd's in my entire time that i play eve (over a year now), and those were due to norton antivirus, which slows and bugs my pc to hell (i managed to remove it yesterday.... thank god!).
The devs have made the conscious decision to make the game at even odds for everyone, not just the 100mbit users. This isn't a fps, but a mmoRPG.
Just play yhe game and enjoy it, after you upgraded ofcourse. (if not the hardware, try software - and if you got winxp, try win2k).
Just don't try and discredit the devs for making one of the best games ever made.
nope not critisicm fact.. it happened to me
past that the sugestions where mostly out of irritation due to things like this. if this continues this game will fall but it dosent have to happen... this is the best game i have ever had the privilage of beta testing and glad to pay for but when im blamed for a design flaw and im a paying customer i will fight back any way i can. and your telling me you cant understand that.....and i though i was a rockhead
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Skillshot
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Posted - 2004.01.23 11:46:00 -
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and i for 1 am not happy when im treated like im an idiot
I will refrain from stating the obvious.
I think you should be proud to be a living lesson in science, reminding us all that the speed of light is faster than the speed of sound ...
... because you look quite bright until you open your mouth.
oh wait your marge simpson arnt you?
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Skillshot
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Posted - 2004.01.23 11:47:00 -
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Whiner
Definition: [n] a person given to excessive complaints and crying and whining
Synonyms: bellyacher, complainer, crybaby, grumbler, moaner, sniveller, squawker
You forgot CAREBEAR
hmm You seem to know a lot more about this then i do... ( the carebear thing )
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Skillshot
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Posted - 2004.01.23 11:49:00 -
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sorry Skillshot but this all appears to be arrogent, ill informed, emotional drivel to me
go play SWG...
ok 1 this is an A and B conversation so you can C your way out...
how can something that happened to me make me ill informed.. your an idiot
SWG seems more like the brain dead type game youd be better at.
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Skillshot
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Posted - 2004.01.23 11:51:00 -
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HE HE I have come to the conclusion that EVE is a big online Chat forum that you run around in doing odd ball tasks while you wait for either a pirate to form a new way to flame you...(hence the lag when jumping in as it takes awile for pirates to form new and original ways to flame you).. OR you wait for some guy on trade channel to answer your convo (takes awhile for people to figure out how much they want to rip you off for)....OR for another corp mate to complain about one of the two.... And you get the lucky task of Paying $13 a month for this pleasure......Also for those of you going to flame this (PREEMPTIVE SHUT UP I DONT CARE).. if you dont understand the pre emptive please repeat it as many times as possible to yourself until you do...
Have a nice day...
LOL!!! now that was good hahahaha ^5
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Skillshot
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Posted - 2004.01.23 11:55:00 -
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I will refrain from stating the obvious.
I think you should be proud to be a living lesson in science, reminding us all that the speed of light is faster than the speed of sound ...
ok the short and sweet verision. i was minning with drones had majour lag spike for about 15 minutes, filled out a bug report, got a reply that said "the lag is player induced, you use your drones which created the lag so its your fault" I thought this over then came to the conclusion 1 i did not code this game nor did i script the drones so how in the world a person that pays to play be responcible for the lag?
... because you look quite bright until you open your mouth.
That's the funniest thing I've read in weeks man! lmfao.. Nice one..
I have nothing to comment on this topic.. I was jsut bored and reading random posts till something sparked interest and almost fell out of my chair reading this comment.. I don't even know what this argument is about.. but damn that's funny!
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Skillshot
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Posted - 2004.01.23 12:31:00 -
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Skillshot, shut up and follow number 8 please...
Here's my answers to your 10 points:
1. This is the first real game these guys have wrote, so give them a break
< ok ill give ya that one.>
2. What shoddy work?
< well umm i dont know maby the tons of 1/2 working oh say corporation controls that have been a peoblem since beta, the stuck chars again a problem since beta, the lag created by drones and npc's when they are used or spawn in numbers ( again since beta ) the 1/2 working new functions that always seem to get 3/4 working 3 months after being implimented into the game. the fix 1 problem and break 5 more. the chat bug, the drone window bug, the bookmark bug the skillbug, the memory leak again all have been a problem since beta... so am i the only one that see'sa patern here? >
3. Please point out 1 bit of evidence that any problems in this game are not players fault (except the grid one, which is software I agree)
< Well DuH! what is this topic about i didnt create the drones i use them. the game server i do not own nor do i operate so how in the frack is the lag caused by using a function of the game mine or any other paying customers fault... well is that good enough for you? >
4. Have you ever worked in the games industry? the goal posts for games change on a hour by hour basis, not on a if we change this will it upset Skillshot basis....
< lol thats funny, and yes i have though not to the extent as this game goes... i understand goals are biased on what the devlopers want AND what the customers want, force feeding people in any indistry ( well almost couse i can think of a few that this doesnt apply ) will ruin a product longgevity and as i am a customer to an extent yes what upsets the Skillshot basis as you put it and all the others that pay to play it matters what we ALL want.>
5. The game is 100% playable for me.... so there's no problems there :)
< Well good you dont suffer from node drops, connection drops, lagg or crashes to the desktop.. you must play in house.>
6. Well I don't have the gold, but the Mega corps have the gold :) and as my old Games Company, that I worked for, moto said "The pen is mightier than the sword." so the dev's make the rules not you, unless your one of the devs...
< lol ok though i was refering to the paying customers >
7. As a previous poster said, this is imposible (oh BTW Counter Stike > Railroad Tycoon > Half Life :D )
< they all still bite the big one >
8. Stop playing and go play SWG, you will find it's just as good if not better for it's bugs and it's even more boring....
< put your head up your arse and try to play ping pong. ( it wouldnt be funny but it would be a sight to see ) >
9. True, but if a project is organised correctly then the number of bugs introduced by the large number of programmers is reduced, and it has been reduced a lot since early retail
< ok good point but if you do not maintain that orginaztion then things get over looked like not having enough nodes. >
10. Yes finally something we agree on, but what I would like to know is - What has this got to do with problems in this game????
< well everything actully, the game it self is only part of the game, another part of it is customer support but when customer support blames its paying customers for all the problems well i hope you can see the ramificantions this will cause ( and is a real stupid thing to do ) >
I take it you were in beta from your last statement, if this is the case then why did you not say anything about the bugs then????
< thats another irritating problem, not only did i once but about 50 times and i was not the only one. >
Erm, what is a d2d???? is it a new type of
< sorry in beta we called them drop to desktop hence D2D >
Crash To Desktop (CTD).... If it is do you think there might be something wrong with your PC because I never had many CTD at all since I bought the game 2 weeks after retail...
hehe and yet again the ati and nvidia cards have always had the most problems but its not the graphics that cause the CTD's but when i can have 2 clients on 1 pc and one crashes and not the other i look at my pc, but when i run 2 clients on 2 computers and one crashes and the other dose not then i look at my connection, how ever when i get a node error on 1 pc and a connection lost to the server on the other or when i am playin only 1 clent on 1 pc and still get the same errors node dropes server connection closed this leads me to believe that its the client hence the dev's who are at fault and not the paying customer..
and no im not a 13 year old with delusions of being a PC tech i have been in to computers elctronics and technology long before most players where even in grade school.
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