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Silpher
Symphony of Destruction Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 14:55:00 -
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Edited by: Silpher on 21/06/2007 15:01:12
Be apart of the FAIR MARKET movement! Help raise awareness of the adverse affects of Real Money Trading(RMT)!
See this GM Dev Blog regarding RMT! This affects ALL of us, and all in all is simply a spoiler.
STOP THE ISK BUYING/SELLING!
See my bio ingame to show you're support! Sign this thread to show your support!
SPREAD THE WORD! We can end the nonsense! Show your support!
Who does this apply to? EVERYONE! Miners! Manufacturers! Traders! Consumers!
We all e-suffer from this, whether we realize it or not! END THE NONSENSE! --- *snip* Your signature is inappropriate for these forums, email [email protected] with a link to your signature if you have questions -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected]) |

Nerd Rage
Amarr Team Battle Lobster Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:02:00 -
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I just bought a 90D gtc and resold it for isk just to spite this thread.
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Silpher
Symphony of Destruction Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:04:00 -
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That's a supported form. Hush now child, read the blog before making dumb comments. --- *snip* Your signature is inappropriate for these forums, email [email protected] with a link to your signature if you have questions -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected]) |

Valan
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Valan on 21/06/2007 15:03:54 Yeh which is the great irony you can't cheat by buying it from an isk farmer but you can from CCP.
It also makes me laugh that people have been whining about the T2 lottery when it seems the T2 market has been rigged by farmers.
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Silpher
Symphony of Destruction Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:45:00 -
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Edited by: Silpher on 21/06/2007 15:46:06
Originally by: Valan Edited by: Valan on 21/06/2007 15:03:54 Yeh which is the great irony you can't cheat by buying it from an isk farmer but you can from CCP.
It also makes me laugh that people have been whining about the T2 lottery when it seems the T2 market has been rigged by farmers.
CCP allowing the GTC trading system is their way of creating a supported but regulated way for those interested to go about RMT. Buying from ISK farmers and the like directly affects market prices and profit margins for industrialists and traders, as well as literally supporting sweatshops overseas. It effects your gameplay and supports a torturous practice.
GTC trading is supported because it combats all this by pulling profit from these RMTers while still supporting RMT, but without all the horrid effects it has on gameplay, and quite literally, people's lives.
END THE NONSENSE!
Also, CCP has stated they are getting rid of the BPO lottery. So, if it was rigged, there's nothing left to rig. --- *snip* Your signature is inappropriate for these forums, email [email protected] with a link to your signature if you have questions -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected]) |

Valan
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: Valan on 21/06/2007 16:31:54
I see the points but I believe this point
'First of all, money is power in EVE. Buying your way to power while others slowly and surely play their way towards the top (within the rules!) with their fists clenched and a mad glint in their eyes, is cheating. Plain and simple. EVE is intended to be a level playground where people either make it or not based solely on their abilities and hard work INSIDE EVE, not outside of it. It should not matter whether you are a rich man or a poor man in the real world. Once you enter the magnificent world of EVE Online, all that should matter is how well you put your abilities to use in the game and the thickness of oneÆs real world wallet should not be used to tip the balance.'
This is much worse than a few dodgy prices in my opinion. This is a game breaker.
The sweatshop arguement is an excuse if they weren't in a game sweatshop they would probably be in a much more dangerous industrial sweatshop. They don't go home and put their feet up and play Xbox live when they don't have a game sweatshop to go to.
EDIT: All RMT is bad in prinicpal. Don't think you can pick and choose parts of a principal. The only difference is the final destination of the real life currency. GTCs are being used to fund cartels and alliances.
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Selena 001
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Silpher This affects ALL of us, and all in all is simply a spoiler.
The man has a point!! Because of GTC sales people keep buying my toons for billions of isk!
Nerf my TOONS! 
Money might not bring you happiness, but it certainly keep you fit...
* Goes swimming in her isk pool * ___________
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Cowboy Nuggets
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Valan Edited by: Valan on 21/06/2007 16:25:23 I see the points but I believe this point
'First of all, money is power in EVE. Buying your way to power while others slowly and surely play their way towards the top (within the rules!) with their fists clenched and a mad glint in their eyes, is cheating. Plain and simple. EVE is intended to be a level playground where people either make it or not based solely on their abilities and hard work INSIDE EVE, not outside of it. It should not matter whether you are a rich man or a poor man in the real world. Once you enter the magnificent world of EVE Online, all that should matter is how well you put your abilities to use in the game and the thickness of oneÆs real world wallet should not be used to tip the balance.'
This is much worse than a few dodgy prices in my opinion. This is a game breaker.
The sweatshop arguement is an excuse if they weren't in a game sweatshop they would probably be in a much more dangerous industrial sweatshop. They don't go home and put their feet up and play Xbox live when they don't have a game sweatshop to go to.
EDIT: All RMT is bad in prinicpal. Don't think you can pick and choose parts of a principal.
I can't even believe CCP put that point in that post, because they endorse the selling of GTC's for ISK. So the same company who made this "game breaking" point, is selling ISK, directly tipping the scale of balance in favor of the person with a thick wallet in the real world. If this is not the definition of hypocrisy I don't know what is.
As for the sweatshop thing, I am Pro-Sweatshops personally. If it weren't for sweatshops (making Nike's or farming gold/isk, etc) then these poor people would be out of work and starving. Just because I wouldn't want to work for 30 cents an hour doesn't mean that 30 cents an hour isn't pretty dam good money in some parts of the world.
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Silpher
Symphony of Destruction Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: Silpher on 21/06/2007 16:40:33
Originally by: Valan Edited by: Valan on 21/06/2007 16:31:54
I see the points but I believe this point
'First of all, money is power in EVE. Buying your way to power while others slowly and surely play their way towards the top (within the rules!) with their fists clenched and a mad glint in their eyes, is cheating. Plain and simple. EVE is intended to be a level playground where people either make it or not based solely on their abilities and hard work INSIDE EVE, not outside of it. It should not matter whether you are a rich man or a poor man in the real world. Once you enter the magnificent world of EVE Online, all that should matter is how well you put your abilities to use in the game and the thickness of oneÆs real world wallet should not be used to tip the balance.'
This is much worse than a few dodgy prices in my opinion. This is a game breaker.
The sweatshop arguement is an excuse if they weren't in a game sweatshop they would probably be in a much more dangerous industrial sweatshop. They don't go home and put their feet up and play Xbox live when they don't have a game sweatshop to go to.
EDIT: All RMT is bad in prinicpal. Don't think you can pick and choose parts of a principal. The only difference is the final destination of the real life currency. GTCs are being used to fund cartels and alliances.
I don't entirely dissagree. RMT isn't fair. But if you can't end it, give it something to compete with that has no adverse effects. It encourages pilots to persue a much safer (EULA wise) and less demaging form, which, in turn, damages the market of the ISK farmers. It's a suitable response, imho. People are going to continue to buy ISK, why not give them a much more controlled option?
The sweatshop argument is no excuse. It's a completely valid argument. Yes, they may be in an industrial sweatshop instead, but this is not something we can have an effect on, via Eve. What we can do simply using eve is combat an entire type of sweatshop simply by not supporting ISK farmers.
There's a compromise in GTC trading. While I agree that RMT is not fair to those who prefer not to participate or simply don't have the RL resources, it's going to continue. And if you insist on continuing, at least do it the eve-legal way and not support unfair market and all the rest that comes with it. --- The FAIR MARKET MOVEMENT!
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Valan
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:53:00 -
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Yeh I realise we have to live with the GTC thing, accepting it and agreeing with it are miles apart. I also posted numerous times that it should be regulated. I'm happy CCP are moving towards ETCs.
I also kind of agree with the sweatshop point but if you follow the ethical route in a game then you must do it in real life. Doing it in real life is really difficult. Given a choice I would rather be responsible for psuhing someone one from a dangerous sweatshop to a game sweatshop than the otehr way around.
OMG! this thread is nearly smack free :)
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Silpher
Symphony of Destruction Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Valan
I also kind of agree with the sweatshop point but if you follow the ethical route in a game then you must do it in real life. Doing it in real life is really difficult. Given a choice I would rather be responsible for psuhing someone one from a dangerous sweatshop to a game sweatshop than the otehr way around.
I agree. And I do apply this ethical route in RL. I refuse to buy any products that support any form of sweatshop. However, this is not something that can be forced on others. As you said, doing it in real life is really difficult. But doing it via eve is rather simple, and does it's own little part on combating sweatshops as a whole.
The point of this movement is to be a small push for a 'do a little something for a good cause without going sginificantly out of your way,' and to raise awareness of the adverse affects.
People are going to do what they want, but at least know the cost of your actions. It's the main point I'm trying to make here. --- The FAIR MARKET MOVEMENT!
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Tyr Vaantau
Amarr Peregrin Avionics
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:00:00 -
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/signed
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Terada Ooway
Jita Trade Services
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:03:00 -
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/signed with full support.
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Krysta Gemme
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:14:00 -
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You can't win against gold farmers. Eve or you isn't going to do anything remarkable to end it. This game has no 'binding' of parts. Meaning the economy is unlocked. Which means hundreds of billions of isk is out there right now, flowing to players.
Being a single server also means farmers need only minimal employee power to support it.
If any other form of legal isk buying exists, they will only hire more workers/farmers, and sell at prices nobody else can match.
You can't stop it. Suck it up and drive on. The gameplay of Eve is not suited to this sort of thing.
WoW is a bit different due to the soulbinding. Epic Tier items can only be gotten through mindless raiding. Money means little except for fluff like mounts.
In Eve, money IS epic.
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Silpher
Symphony of Destruction Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Krysta Gemme You can't win against gold farmers. Eve or you isn't going to do anything remarkable to end it. This game has no 'binding' of parts. Meaning the economy is unlocked. Which means hundreds of billions of isk is out there right now, flowing to players.
Being a single server also means farmers need only minimal employee power to support it.
If any other form of legal isk buying exists, they will only hire more workers/farmers, and sell at prices nobody else can match.
You can't stop it. Suck it up and drive on. The gameplay of Eve is not suited to this sort of thing.
WoW is a bit different due to the soulbinding. Epic Tier items can only be gotten through mindless raiding. Money means little except for fluff like mounts.
In Eve, money IS epic.
It may be near impossible to stop, but not supporting it helps. Every little bit counts, and saying 'well, my little effort isn't worth ****, so, I'm just going to ignore it," is just a cop out for lazyness. An attitude like that is why the world still is the way it is and getting worse, not to stray from the topic, but a post like that is absurd.
Your opinion is simply wrong. Not as in incorrect but as in the opposite of the right kind of attitude to have when things like this are going on. It's counter-productive, especially when taking a small stance is nothing less than simple as ****. --- The FAIR MARKET MOVEMENT!
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Bklyn 1
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:58:00 -
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/signed
i love how the ebayers rally to the cause of the isk farmers every time a thread like this is made.
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Ling Xiao
Prism Project Technologies
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:02:00 -
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Good luck with your unwinnable crusade. __________
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Silpher
Symphony of Destruction Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ling Xiao Good luck with your unwinnable crusade.
I take pitty on your apathetic attitude as it's the cause for most of the issues of the world (and in this case, an unfair market in eve.) --- The FAIR MARKET MOVEMENT!
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DeODokktor
Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Cowboy Nuggets
As for the sweatshop thing, I am Pro-Sweatshops personally. If it weren't for sweatshops (making Nike's or farming gold/isk, etc) then these poor people would be out of work and starving. Just because I wouldn't want to work for 30 cents an hour doesn't mean that 30 cents an hour isn't pretty dam good money in some parts of the world.
God I love ignorant consumers ;).. The americans cant figgure out why the dollar is taking a loss every day on it's value :P. Nor why productivity per person is now going down. Nor how they are going to be able to afford goods once there are no longer sweatshops (as lower class nations get equal wages and fair labour laws)...
oh well :P
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DeODokktor
Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Silpher Edited by: Silpher on 21/06/2007 15:46:06
Originally by: Valan Edited by: Valan on 21/06/2007 15:03:54 Yeh which is the great irony you can't cheat by buying it from an isk farmer but you can from CCP.
It also makes me laugh that people have been whining about the T2 lottery when it seems the T2 market has been rigged by farmers.
CCP allowing the GTC trading system is their way of creating a supported but regulated way for those interested to go about RMT. Buying from ISK farmers and the like directly affects market prices and profit margins for industrialists and traders, as well as literally supporting sweatshops overseas. It effects your gameplay and supports a torturous practice.
GTC trading is supported because it combats all this by pulling profit from these RMTers while still supporting RMT, but without all the horrid effects it has on gameplay, and quite literally, people's lives.
END THE NONSENSE!
Also, CCP has stated they are getting rid of the BPO lottery. So, if it was rigged, there's nothing left to rig.
The lottery wasnt rigg'd.. It was basic economics (player A buys players B bpo because player B is greedy).. Player A slowly set up a monopoly, and some of those "player a"'s got to apoint where they couldnt spend the billions they were making every day.. If you were making 10bn a day for months or years then you would soon wonder what to do with it..
Trading of ETC's for Isk is no different than buying isk with $$$ from "farmers" (where gameplay is concern'd).. The upside is that ccp's plan will FORCE people to use ETC's and those are useful to people who cant (or would rather be unwilling to) pay for the game. If you have someone grinding to buy ETC's so they can afford to play the game, then how is that different from them grinding to sell the isk to pay for their subscription? ..
CCP dont really make money selling isk this way, It does look good to external sources because I am sure it's REALLY driving the account #'s up.. So ccp will make money from it in the form of new accounts but they will also take a slight movement of profits from those people that migrate paying accounts to ETC's..
Trit prices are now so high that we are refining NPC product to get trit.. When macrominers were around hitting all of the noob systems trit was bottom'd out.. So what's better? As a "eve consumer" the lower trit prices were better..
I guess I dont mind ccp stepping on farmers because they arent here to play the game and enjoy it, they are here to make money... I personally like other people who are playing a game (or doing some type of other fun activity) to be doing it for free...
Wouldnt it stink to be in the middle of a sexfest and then the hot blond squeezes tight and says "give me 100 to continue"....
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