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Flamothron	Posted - 2007.06.21 21:12:00 - [1] Edited by: Flamothron on 21/06/2007 21:13:08 Well pretty simple to explain. pease feel free to correct me if im wrong ! quite evry 0.0 system have unknown signatures. If you scan with your quests probes around each planet it is verry unlikely youl find a 0.01 to 0.03 signature si you only have a 1 to 3% chance of finding them. Therefor you cant know if the system contain any plex at all since plex are randomly assigned to systems and the chances are really unlikely you find them in the first place (make it +-5 hours per system at a 3min/scan to be sure its not containing any 8/9/10/10 plex) i suggest should have a complex signature (not an unknown) and i also suggest to make em more easy to spot (5 HOURS/SYSTEM SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE TO MUCH !!!!!) PLZ PEOPLE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS !!! unless you want to spend 24/7 to scan for good plexs (4 system /day with 4 hour sleep lol !!!!) What do you think about this ? Im i completly wrong ? (plz somebody say yes ! lol)
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.06.21 21:52:00 - [2] Considering you can earn multiple 100m ISK, 5 hours are most definitely not too much.... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
El Pablo	Posted - 2007.06.21 22:24:00 - [3] Lol ! I guess it depends on your lifestyle if your the type of guy that is willing to spend 5 hour to scan A SINGLE system for a complex i guuess its ok but if you are a normal guy you wont do such thing. Thats way to much time ! Belive me pushing an "analyze" button once evry 3 minutes for 5 hours isint what i call "Willing to put the work" but stupidity. To me "Willing to put the work" means defend a region or a systems for months by FIGHTING not trying to get a signature by LUCK !!!!! I think Eve is becoming more and more like WoW when the LUCK is the main factor to get monney and to me it really suck asss !
Nasty Bull GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.21 22:36:00 - [4] Originally by: El Pablo To me "Willing to put the work" means defend a region or a systems for months by FIGHTING not trying to get a signature by LUCK !!!!! I think Eve is becoming more and more like WoW when the LUCK is the main factor to get monney and to me it really suck asss ! I dissagree, a LOT. I take luck as a factor of dedication above time-zone wars and alt-heavy camper-alts anyday. This new move, is really a nice one.. And since a 10/10 plex takes 4-6 ships to complete (or should), 4-6 people scanning a system, with GOOD skills, a GOOD scan-ship with nice implants and rigs? well.. shouldn't be all that long.... my friend.
El Pablo	Posted - 2007.06.21 23:40:00 - [5] Edited by: El Pablo on 21/06/2007 23:42:46 lol first of all im not your friend secondly even if your 5 people to scan a system and lets say youl take about 1 hour to know if the system have a 10/10 plen in it (even 1 hour cant be sure at 100%) that means youll take about 6 hour to scan an average 0.0 constellation entirely and know if there is a 10/10 plen in there. Then you have to do the plex itself makes it another 1 hour and a half so ... 7 hours !!! ... With 5 people !!! LOL !!! Last, ild like to that indeed Luck is a factor but soul CERTAINLY NOT BE THE MOST IMPORTANT !!! Otherwise EvE would be like WoW where all income is basicly based on Luck and not Fighting !!! If you like CareBare play CareBare games like WoW. EvE is sadly becoming that and that really sucks to me
Lenaria Caldari Draconis Navitas Aeterna	Posted - 2007.06.22 01:59:00 - [6] Edited by: Lenaria on 22/06/2007 01:58:30 Edited by: Lenaria on 22/06/2007 01:58:10 Originally by: Nasty Bull Originally by: El Pablo To me "Willing to put the work" means defend a region or a systems for months by FIGHTING not trying to get a signature by LUCK !!!!! I think Eve is becoming more and more like WoW when the LUCK is the main factor to get monney and to me it really suck asss ! I dissagree, a LOT. I take luck as a factor of dedication above time-zone wars and alt-heavy camper-alts anyday. This new move, is really a nice one.. And since a 10/10 plex takes 4-6 ships to complete (or should), 4-6 people scanning a system, with GOOD skills, a GOOD scan-ship with nice implants and rigs? well.. shouldn't be all that long.... my friend. For that you should be 100% sure what there is a 10/10 plex in THIS particular system. Else you will spend all day and find just normal exploration site. Right now, even IF we disregard "new" encounters madness, it would take about a month constant scanning for 6 peoples to find a SINGLE 10/10 plex. Yes, i'm not jocking. 6 peoples should scan 24/7 30 days to find single 10/10 on average. But with new encounters it is much worse - we never know if there are proper "unknown" exploration/DED sites besides weak numerous encounters. It is very hard to find proper excalation site now. Lvl 3 mission or belt ratting give a WAY better reward. ============================================== 1 Titan is ok, 2 kills any fun, 3 make peoples quit eve. No wonder online numbers decline for 3rd month.
Kaylee Zara Talon Reaserch Inc	Posted - 2007.06.22 02:08:00 - [7] Originally by: El Pablo If you like CareBare play CareBare games like WoW. Says the guy who's whining about plexes. They're not exactly pvp content.
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.06.22 04:12:00 - [8] Originally by: Kaylee Zara Originally by: El Pablo If you like CareBare play CareBare games like WoW. Says the guy who's whining about plexes. They're not exactly pvp content. That's exactly what they were. It was pretty much the only place in eve you could regularly get proper PVP while carebearing. Most of the people still running a plex after 2-3 weeks probably has enough money to do whatever, but still chooses to plex since it really is fun due to the player factor. Or was anyway. Now it's just like missions, assuming you can find them, which seems to be pretty hard since I've scanned two of the regions with the most complexes before Rev2 was dropped and found none so far.
Zar Dim Minmatar Anus Horriblis	Posted - 2007.06.22 05:44:00 - [9] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Originally by: Kaylee Zara Originally by: El Pablo If you like CareBare play CareBare games like WoW. Says the guy who's whining about plexes. They're not exactly pvp content. That's exactly what they were. It was pretty much the only place in eve you could regularly get proper PVP while carebearing. Most of the people still running a plex after 2-3 weeks probably has enough money to do whatever, but still chooses to plex since it really is fun due to the player factor. Or was anyway. Now it's just like missions, assuming you can find them, which seems to be pretty hard since I've scanned two of the regions with the most complexes before Rev2 was dropped and found none so far. Coming from Jita tradeAlt.... You'll get PVP a lot more regularry while belting. And if you really want huge rewards from high level plexes you should put an effort.
Qual Gallente Cornexant Research	Posted - 2007.06.22 06:38:00 - [10] Here is an idea: Dont use 5 hours scanning. Use an hour or two clearing all the unknown encounter sigs in system. That way a) you will have earned a bit of isk, you will get rid of the sigs faster. Then scan the system. And yes, it really works... "The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf

Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.22 07:59:00 - [11] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 22/06/2007 08:00:04 Originally by: Qual Here is an idea: Dont use 5 hours scanning. Use an hour or two clearing all the unknown encounter sigs in system. That way a) you will have earned a bit of isk, you will get rid of the sigs faster. Then scan the system. And yes, it really works... Ever heard of RESPAWN? You clear 3 unknow encounter and a) you are not totally sure to have cleared them all (probable, but not certain), b) while you are clearing site 2 or 3 you are almost guaranteed that site 1 will respawn, unless you are in some profund 0.0 with no other people doing encounter sites in all the constellation. To clarify it more: encounter sites are a fixed number at constellation or region level (it has not been specified by CCP at what level they are fixed, it can even be at some meta region level, lke all the blood raider spawn area or similar), and as soon as one encouter is cleared another spawn.
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:23:00 - [12] 'plex'es are there to provide people with fun and entertainment. They're not there to provide people with insane amount of ISK for little work. That was what was wrong with static 'plex'es.... It's now fixed.... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Arcturus I	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:47:00 - [13] Heh heh heh. I totally salute the change and it's fun to see the plex farmers foaming at the mouth. Giving everyone, in theory, the chance to find such a complex is great. And it should be hard as hell to find them, we're talking about the best modules in the game, aren't we?! "I think Eve is becoming more and more like WoW when the LUCK is the main factor to get monney" < are you serious El Pablo? How much time did you put in thinking before writing that statement? Could you explain, if you ever played wow, how does "LUCK" influence the money you get in that game? Plex farming and monopol is over, citizens of the state, rejoice!!
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2007.06.22 09:01:00 - [14] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt That's exactly what they were. It was pretty much the only place in eve you could regularly get proper PVP while carebearing. Most of the people still running a plex after 2-3 weeks probably has enough money to do whatever, but still chooses to plex since it really is fun due to the player factor. Or was anyway. Now it's just like missions, assuming you can find them, which seems to be pretty hard since I've scanned two of the regions with the most complexes before Rev2 was dropped and found none so far. Wow what a load of ***. They were nothing but money farms, most of them not contested at all. The only reason people ran plexes over and over and over and over was that they were by far the best isk/time activity (barring some lucky resales) possible in eve. And the best thing, once you were in the first room that requires a key, you were pretty much impervious to PvP. So nope, the player factor had nothing to do with plex 'popularity'. More like the lack of player factor... I am very glad that they got nerfed to hell, and farmers like you frothing at the mouth makes it even better Thank you SkyFlyer! There is no 'n' in tur
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.06.22 09:37:00 - [15] Edited by: Kerfira on 22/06/2007 09:38:19 As Leandro says, the PvP excuse is soooo lame!!! Basically all the static 'plex in 0.0 were not contested at all! Maybe a few times a month someone would try to run a 'plex normally 'reserved' by an alliance, but that was about it. They were just used as an easy (and massive) ISK generator for alliances. Nothing else... Sorry for all you 'plex farmers.. It SOOOO saddens me you now have to actually WORK for your ISK....... (NOT!) Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Flamothron	Posted - 2007.06.22 13:17:00 - [16] ok let me be clear this topic it no to whine and cry about the changes from static to generic. I actually do think that tis is a great move and a good idea! This topic is to try to make CCP staff understand that their complex are virtuallyimpossible to find Thats all. And i Think the community should do something about it ! Cause i dont know about you but im not sticking in front of an analyze button for 5 hours CROSSING MY FINGERS !!! This is simply stupid
Zar Dim Minmatar Anus Horriblis	Posted - 2007.06.22 13:31:00 - [17] Well unless you drop multispec and have 'no sig', you can't be sure there is no complex. (For example i once scanned for 8 (eight) hours to find exporation site so wellcome to the club) But you know what, i think it's good you have to spend time to find something. You know - this plexes supposed to be hidden!
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.06.22 13:55:00 - [18] Edited by: Kerfira on 22/06/2007 14:01:52 Originally by: Flamothron ok let me be clear this topic it no to whine and cry about the changes from static to generic. I actually do think that tis is a great move and a good idea! This topic is to try to make CCP staff understand that their complex are virtually impossible to find Thats all. And i Think the community should do something about it! Cause i dont know about you but im not sticking in front of an analyze button for 5 hours CROSSING MY FINGERS !!! This is simply stupid That's because you have the complete WRONG mindset about this.... You want find the 'plex (now through exploration) because you want the 'phat lewt' inside. That is your objective, and you want that to be relatively easy and predictable..... I.e., in common terminology, you want to ISK-farm 'plex'es.... That is not how it should be. 'plex'es are now something that you find as a rare encounter when you do exploration!!!! An explorer will roam through the different systems, start scanning in the systems where he finds signatures, and after a time (dependent on the person) may move on (successful or not). At rare times he'll be lucky enough to get a fix on a 'plex within a few scans, most often not. Mostly though, what he'll find will be normal exploration content. The 'plex'es are just icing on the cake. Thus they're now like officer spawns, i.e. NOT something you can depend on.... And considering the reward of finding one, this is EXACTLY how it should be. They should never be consistently findable, i.e. it should never be so easy that people did exploration with the objective of finding 'plex'es, because then 'plex-farming would still occur!!! So no, this is absolutely NOT stupid!!! This is exactly how EVE should be! No consistent huge reward for little work... The reward for people doing exploration with the explicit goal of finding 'plex'es HAS to be lower in ISK/hour than ratting. That is the only way to avoid 'plex farming in the future! Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Lords Of Amber	Posted - 2007.06.22 13:56:00 - [19] Originally by: Zar Dim Well unless you drop multispec and have 'no sig', you can't be sure there is no complex. (For example i once scanned for 8 (eight) hours to find exporation site so wellcome to the club) But you know what, i think it's good you have to spend time to find something. You know - this plexes supposed to be hidden! Problem is not that you'll get no sigs, but that all encounters have "Unknown" sig (same like real plexes, and exploration plexes), thus making this a time wasting exercise. I don't mind looking for a sig 5 hours, but I mind wasting 2 hours figuring out if "Unknown" sigs in system are only encounter sites, or MAYBE there is a plex.
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2007.06.22 14:10:00 - [20] Well I do agree with removing all the static (those new encounters for the onboard scanner or whatever) from real exploration multispec probe results. Maybe even give real plexes their own category. But just that. Nothing more. You won't know whether you hunt a 1/10 or a 10/10 plex until you found it, and finding it should be as hard as any old profession site if not harder. Thank you SkyFlyer! There is no 'n' in tur

Kerfira	Posted - 2007.06.22 14:20:00 - [21] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Well I do agree with removing all the static (those new encounters for the onboard scanner or whatever) from real exploration multispec probe results. Maybe even give real plexes their own category. But just that. Nothing more. You won't know whether you hunt a 1/10 or a 10/10 plex until you found it, and finding it should be as hard as any old profession site if not harder. Finding them has to be so hard it in no longer profitable to just search for them alone! Otherwise we'll have 'plex farming back in full force again, which was what prompted the current change. I definitely think they should remain in the 'unknown' category! As it is now, it doesn't pay to scan solely for 'plex'es, but people doing normal exploration sometimes get the nice bonus of finding one. This is the same basic mechanic as for officers. It doesn't pay to hunt for them, but once in a while you chance upon them when ratting, bringing a smile on your face. 'plex ISK-farming should under no circumstances be re-implemented..... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Tanaka Nari	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:57:00 - [22] Speaking of hard to find exploration sites... there's lots of encounters with really tiny signatures, that are way less rewarding than high end complexes. So train your skills, get some hardwirings and rigs and THEN welcome to the club of serious explorers. With multiple people (that you need to do a high end complex anyway) it shouldn't take so long.
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:59:00 - [23] Originally by: Nasty Bull Originally by: El Pablo To me "Willing to put the work" means defend a region or a systems for months by FIGHTING not trying to get a signature by LUCK !!!!! I think Eve is becoming more and more like WoW when the LUCK is the main factor to get monney and to me it really suck asss ! I dissagree, a LOT. I take luck as a factor of dedication above time-zone wars and alt-heavy camper-alts anyday. This new move, is really a nice one.. And since a 10/10 plex takes 4-6 ships to complete (or should), 4-6 people scanning a system, with GOOD skills, a GOOD scan-ship with nice implants and rigs? well.. shouldn't be all that long.... my friend. see, this guy gets it, scan in teams. Its not like one person is gonna scan plex out solo after 5 hrs and then bring in a gang of buddies to do it, that would be daft
Flamothron	Posted - 2007.06.22 17:20:00 - [24] Team scan cant garantee that youl find anything since its based on LUCK ! lol well the true problem here is that complexes have same sig than other stuff wich makes it impossible to verify if there is or not a plex in the system
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.06.22 17:21:00 - [25] Originally by: Kerfira Basically all the static 'plex in 0.0 were not contested at all! Maybe a few times a month someone would try to run a 'plex normally 'reserved' by an alliance, but that was about it. They were just used as an easy (and massive) ISK generator for alliances. Nothing else... Actually, basically all the plexes with few exceptions were contested, even bob had problems running the 10/10 in one of their homesystems(see mothership kill). 3/10s in placid made the place a war zone. I could get 4-5 kills a day just by running through the complexes post-dt. 6/10s in delve, providence and querios were also regularly contested, I know since I regularly killed bobbits in them. When LV were around then pretty much all the complexes in detorid and scalding pass were contested daily by RA. All complexes in ex-ASCN space were also being contested, again by RA. The only places where I can think of plexes that you could run pretty much uncontested would be some in the deepest north and the deepest RA space, and even then you could get small corps trying to make a run for them pretty regularly. But hey, let's try and avoid the facts here. BUUUH!! Isk farmers! Probing for sites for 5 hours is what eves all about. That ****'s EXCITING!
Flamothron	Posted - 2007.06.22 17:27:00 - [26] BTW does anyone has found a 8-9-10/10 plex since the patch ?
Hail Xenu	Posted - 2007.06.22 19:53:00 - [27] Originally by: Leandro Salazar And the best thing, once you were in the first room that requires a key, you were pretty much impervious to PvP. Now that is a load of **. Getting spare keys is easy as hell, some plexes even drop multiple keys per run or offer alternate routes through it. 90% of my kills were from chasing down people already inside the complexes using spare keys. Originally by:** Arcturus I Plex farming and monopol is over, citizens of the state, rejoice!! There never was a monopoly. Unlike the T2 lottery then anyone that wanted could grab a PVP ship and contest it. The problem was that a lot of empire people weren't willing to put their ships on the line to contest plexes and whined it into nerfdom instead. And since it doesn't look you guys have ever left jita then I can inform you that every complex up to 6/10 can be solo'ed pretty easily, forcing people to use dozens of chars to scan them down is just silly. 7/8/10s can be dual boxed and even most 10/10s can be done with 3 chars in a reasonable amount of time(at least serp and sansha). Actually, judging by your responses, have any of you ever run a complex? It doesn't look like it at least..
El Pablo	Posted - 2007.06.22 20:14:00 - [28] Lol I bet you 5$ that people that think its is right to sit in the front of the analyze button for 5 hour is OK and wonderful never stepped once in a 10/10 and are just jalous of those who had determination and guts to do it.
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.06.22 20:21:00 - [29] Originally by: El Pablo Lol I bet you 5$ that people that think its is right to sit in the front of the analyze button for 5 hour is OK and wonderful never stepped once in a 10/10 and are just jalous of those who had determination and guts to do it. Yeah, I'm starting to think the same thing, especially since none of them has even called the op on the fact that there is no such thing as a 9/10 complex.
Zar Dim Minmatar Anus Horriblis	Posted - 2007.06.22 20:27:00 - [30] Edited by: Zar Dim on 22/06/2007 20:26:40 Dear Mother of God, i wonder why every whine post is coming from some stupid alt... I think it's fun to have a discussion between me, myself an me once again To cut story short, it's OK use your brain in EVE, try that it's easy!



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