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Taikun Brunel Gallente Evolved Gamer Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.22 06:19:00 - [1] Ok, I finished a run of 5 Brutixs for trade. I go to put them on the market for 23,500,000 each and acidentally type in 235,009. As I attempt to press backspace my hand bumped the enter key and the trade completed?!!?? Net result...117 million worth of stuff was sold for a mere 1.7 million! This was a whopping 90%+ under market value and I got NO warning message at all about it! So I try to sell a single Mexallon using the same dynamic and guess what. I get a "Warning do you really want to do this" message. What's the deal with this? Why the difference? Taikun P.S. And yes I petitioned.
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 06:40:00 - [2] If you put something on the market you can quickly go to orders and cancel it.
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.22 06:41:00 - [3] Edited by: Phoenix Lord on 22/06/2007 06:39:44 Dunno about the error... but couldnt you have just gone to your wallet and canceled those brutix sell orders? EDIT: bastard >.> Arrow Capital Ship Sales
Taikun Brunel Gallente Evolved Gamer Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.22 06:43:00 - [4] No, there was outstanding orders for them so they sold instantly. And the way the market works is that they are sold at your 'sale price' not what the buy orders state. By the way... I discovered what happened and it is definitive proof of CCP coding stupidity. Okà you try and sell something well under market average price and you will get a warning window pop up. This is a good thing to protect folks like me who accidentally bump their keyboard while typing. Heck, we are all human and can make mistakes every now and then. CCP knew this and put this confirmation box there to protect us right? However, the default selection for this confirmation box is "YES". So if you say... accidentally hit your keyboard just enough for the enter button to register multiple times the confirmation box is "accepted" and the trade goes through. What Rhodes Scholar at CCP decided that the default selection should be ôYESö??? Why would ANYONE assume that the usual response to the question ôDo you want to **** money away for no good reasonö be ôYESö??? Taikun
Taikun Brunel Gallente Evolved Gamer Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.22 07:09:00 - [5] On the same topic. Pink Fuzz (one of the recipients of my stuff-up) without being asked or even approached decided to refund me for 2 of the Brutix's his buy order picked up. Let me say that again. Pink Fuzz decided himself to refund me for my mistake for no better reason than to be a nice guy and not capitalise on crappy CCP coding. It amazes me in a game which CCP condones scamming and so many jerkwads out there exploiting and generally being pains in the asses, somebody like this comes along and restores my faith in the playerbase. Thanks Pink Fuzz.
Johnathan Roark Caldari Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.06.22 07:50:00 - [6] Learn from your mistake and deal with it. There use to be hardly any of these annoying warnings that have watered down eve. Corporation Management Improvement
Jack Conanican	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:02:00 - [7] Originally by: Taikun Brunel Ok, I finished a run of 5 Brutixs for trade. I go to put them on the market for 23,500,000 each and acidentally type in 235,009. As I attempt to press backspace my hand bumped the enter key and the trade completed?!!?? [...] P.S. And yes I petitioned. [...] it is definitive proof of CCP coding stupidity I lol'd. Seriously, coding cannot help against fat finger syndrome. You had 2 bouts of this, and decided to waste GM time and then whine about "crappy coding" instead of maybe buying a typing wand, or a keyboard larger than that found on a blackberry. You messed up, we all do it, but dude it was your fault - not CCP's.
Taikun Brunel Gallente Evolved Gamer Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:16:00 - [8] Edited by: Taikun Brunel on 22/06/2007 08:17:17 Originally by: Jack Conanican I lol'd. Seriously, coding cannot help against fat finger syndrome. You had 2 bouts of this, and decided to waste GM time and then whine about "crappy coding" instead of maybe buying a typing wand, or a keyboard larger than that found on a blackberry. You messed up, we all do it, but dude it was your fault - not CCP's. WTH?? I never said I didn't make a mistake. What's wrong with your reading and comprehension skills? I did NOT have two bouts with this. I had ONE bout and tested the system to see what went wrong. My issue was with the warning message which proper coding COULD and DOES help fat finger syndrome. Try and format your hard drive. What comes up? That right a WARNING ædo you really want to do this?ö message right. Guess what happens if you press enter.., it will by default NOT format your drive because it is by default set that way. Now if CCP wrote this code it would by default format your drive if you accidentally double clicked the enter key and you would NEVER see the warning message. That totally defeats the purpose of the warning box in the first place. That is my beef. Crappy coding and user interface design on the trade warning message. Please do me and the rest of the forum readers the courtesy of actually reading the posts of others before you wade in with ill informed and moronic commentary. Taikun
Snake Jankins Minmatar Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:26:00 - [9] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 22/06/2007 08:28:43 I've read it, maybe the default selection shouldn't be yes. Anyway I'd say you should think a moment, what you are doing and hit enter as often as needed and not hammer enter several times for no reason, like if you had a motorical problem in your finger. edit I'd say owned and in my eyes 90% is your own fault, 10% the user interface. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'
WhitePhantom Gallente Edenists	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:29:00 - [10] Originally by: Taikun Brunel Ok, I finished a run of 5 Brutixs for trade. I go to put them on the market for 23,500,000 each and acidentally type in 235,009. As I attempt to press backspace my hand bumped the enter key and the trade completed?!!?? Net result...117 million worth of stuff was sold for a mere 1.7 million! This was a whopping 90%+ under market value and I got NO warning message at all about it! So I try to sell a single Mexallon using the same dynamic and guess what. I get a "Warning do you really want to do this" message. What's the deal with this? Why the difference? Taikun P.S. And yes I petitioned. You didn't notice the "BELOW AVERAGE" in BIG READ LETTERS within the advanced or even the basic sell box? Don't blame a system that works for thousands of people because you didn't DOUBLE CHECK before you clicked "ok" If your going to take responabality for your own mistake, TAKE IT ALONE, DNT PUSH THE BLAME ON SOMEBODY WHO DOESN"T DESERVE IT FOOL!
Jack Conanican	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:36:00 - [11] Edited by: Jack Conanican on 22/06/2007 08:37:04 You typed the wrong sell figure, FFS 1 You pressed enter instead of delete, FFS 2 Seems my reading skills are up to scratch then. This is still NOT a petitionable case, whether or not you believe the Yes or No should have focus. I happen to agree with you that focus should default to NO on the "Dont Be an Idiot" screen - but it doesn't, however it doesn't mean that it wasn't your fault that you messed up and typed the wrong numbers, and pressed enter by mistake. As far as you described in your post, you didn't even see that screen, so the point is moot. The fact is, as you stated in the first post you pressed enter on the create sales box. Originally by: Taikun Brunel Net result...117 million worth of stuff was sold for a mere 1.7 million! This was a whopping 90%+ under market value and I got NO warning message at all about it! Now default focus should be on OK for this window, what type of idiot would put the focus for a sales screen on NO first? So maybe, just maybe, I don't need to check my reading comprehension skills, maybe YOU need to check yours ;)
Taikun Brunel Gallente Evolved Gamer Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:40:00 - [12] Originally by: Snake Jankins what you are doing and hit enter as often as needed and not hammer enter several times for no reason, Read the OP. I bump the enter key on the side of keyboard. it registered twide. i didn't press the enter key intentionally. Read posts before responding.
Jack Conanican	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:42:00 - [13] Originally by: Taikun Brunel Originally by: Snake Jankins what you are doing and hit enter as often as needed and not hammer enter several times for no reason, Read the OP. I bump the enter key on the side of keyboard. it registered twide. i didn't press the enter key intentionally. Read posts before responding. You never said you pressed it twice, you said you bumped it and sold them.
Taikun Brunel Gallente Evolved Gamer Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:42:00 - [14] Originally by: WhitePhantom You didn't notice the "BELOW AVERAGE" in BIG READ LETTERS within the advanced or even the basic sell box? Wow. Didn't your having even more trouble than that other guy reading posts. It was an accident pressing enter. I DIDN'T want to sell... I was trying to press backspace but bumped the enterkey and it registered two clicks. Read posts before responding.
Taikun Brunel Gallente Evolved Gamer Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:43:00 - [15] Edited by: Taikun Brunel on 22/06/2007 08:42:49 Originally by: Jack Conanican Originally by: Taikun Brunel Originally by: Snake Jankins what you are doing and hit enter as often as needed and not hammer enter several times for no reason, Read the OP. I bump the enter key on the side of keyboard. it registered twide. i didn't press the enter key intentionally. Read posts before responding. You never said you pressed it twice, you said you bumped it and sold them. Yes I did. I discovered that by selling a single mexallon for 0.01 isk to recreate the situation. That's how I discovered the default on the warning box was "yes". Read posts before responding.
Jack Conanican	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:47:00 - [16] Originally by: Taikun Brunel Read posts before responding. Look at keyboard before pressing buttons.
Taikun Brunel Gallente Evolved Gamer Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:52:00 - [17] Edited by: Taikun Brunel on 22/06/2007 08:51:20 Originally by: Jack Conanican Originally by: Taikun Brunel Read posts before responding. Look at keyboard before pressing buttons. Irrelevent in this situation. Different coding would have prevented an glaringly obvious stupid sale from going to market. I am not defending my mistake, I am pointing out stupidity in user interface design. YOU have even agreed with me that the default should be "NO" so what's with all the "you deserved what you got" crap? I petitioned something that would prevent others selling things on the market well under value by mistake. I am trying to make EvE better for us all and all you can do is rain bull**** down on my head. Take your trolling elsewhere.
Almirg	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:53:00 - [18] Originally by: Jack Conanican Originally by: Taikun Brunel Read posts before responding. Look at keyboard before pressing buttons. 1-0
Jack Conanican	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:59:00 - [19] Edited by: Jack Conanican on 22/06/2007 08:58:24 I agreed with you, that the default focus should be NO. I don't agree that this was worth a petition though, because the fact is the default focus ISN'T no. It doesn't change for every different person, it is static and is always yes. You messed up, we all have done something like this at least once. The difference is we don't cry crappy coding, we sit back slap our foreheads and swear at ourselves for being morons. You hit return twice, ooops, but YOU hit return twice. Get over it, stop whining about it and stop blaming others. It wasn't that long ago that you didn't get a warning at all, back then I would have felt more for you, but just now not so much. The facts are simple, there is a warning box, and to go through it you need to mess up 3 times. Once on the price, once accepting the price and once OK'ing the warning. It isn't anyone's fault that you messed up three times other than your own, focus default included.
DeODokktor Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2007.06.22 09:03:00 - [20] Originally by: Taikun Brunel I discovered what happened and it is definitive proof of CCP coding stupidity. Ok… you try and sell something well under market average price and you will get a warning window pop up. ............ However, the default selection for this confirmation box is "YES". So if you say... accidentally hit your keyboard just enough for the enter button to register multiple times the confirmation box is "accepted" and the trade goes through. What Rhodes Scholar at CCP decided that the default selection should be “YES”??? Why would ANYONE assume that the usual response to the question “Do you want to **** money away for no good reason” be “YES”??? Taikun It took months to get "Join this gang" changed from it's default popup box and enter yes... It was a "bit" more annoying as you could be chatting to someone and get auto-invited to a gang and ganked as a result (take a pos loss too)... Your error requires you to make 2 mistakes, and you wouldnt be typing while either is happening.. tho I admit it would be rare I too wonder why ccp make the option to default things to yes (so it could be faster to set orders?).. To me, this isnt a coding problem (as it's not actually a failure of a programmer).. It's a oversight as to what implications a default setting would have.. You should go into the suggestions area of the forum and ask ccp to change it (as it's likely it wont even get read in here) I had someone sell me like 10 ospreys one day at a cut rate price ;P.... Guess it happens to others too.
Taikun Brunel Gallente Evolved Gamer Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.22 09:09:00 - [21] Edited by: Taikun Brunel on 22/06/2007 09:12:18 Originally by: Jack Conanican The facts are simple, there is a warning box, and to go through it you need to mess up 3 times. Once on the price, once accepting the price and once OK'ing the warning. It isn't anyone's fault that you messed up three times other than your own, focus default included. More tolling for the sake of trolling? I not disputing I stuffed up. Never have, never will. Although it was 2 mistakes. One on the price, and one bumping the keyboard while trying to change the price. Nevertheless, my petition to CCP was why I didn't see the warning box. I now know why now and feel this needs to be changed next patch so others don't make the same mistake I have. It's an easy fix and probaly would save others silly losses because of a bumped keyboards. Nobody deserves to lose 100+ million because they bumped a keyboard. CCP knew this which is why there is a warning message there. I am trying to make it better. What's your beef with that? What's with your inane desire to constantly spew out "it's your fault hahahahahha" crap? Bored?
Taikun Brunel Gallente Evolved Gamer Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.22 09:12:00 - [22] Originally by: DeODokktor I had someone sell me like 10 ospreys one day at a cut rate price ;P.... Guess it happens to others too. If you look at the buy orders out there... I'd suggest it happens to a crap load of people. Why else would people put forward orders for Dominixs at 500,000 isk? They are hoping to capitalise on quirks in the market system me thinks.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.22 09:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Taikun Brunel Originally by: DeODokktor I had someone sell me like 10 ospreys one day at a cut rate price ;P.... Guess it happens to others too. If you look at the buy orders out there... I'd suggest it happens to a crap load of people. Why else would people put forward orders for Dominixs at 500,000 isk? They are hoping to capitalise on quirks in the market system me thinks. No they're there to capitalise on people making mistakes, just like the OP did... and really, wasting GM time with your own mistakes.... that's stupid.
Taikun Brunel Gallente Evolved Gamer Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.22 09:43:00 - [24] Originally by: Gariuys .. and really, wasting GM time with your own mistakes.... that's stupid. Holy smokes... I petitioned because I never received the warning message. I thought it was a bug. Turns out it was because the warning focus is on "yes" and it was a double click on the enterkey. I updated the petition to this effect suggesting the focus should be on "NO" to prevent accidents like this happening. WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH THIS?? What is so "stupid" about trying to improve the game? Or do you just enjoy coming in here and spouting off?

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