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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.22 19:19:00 -
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So, I've been wanting a ship that is 8/4/7 with 8 guns. The Abaddon is it.
Setup:
8x Megapulse II w/ Amarr Navy Multispec crystals
100mn MWD/web/20km scram/t2 heavy cap booster w/ 800s
Large Accom Rep/1600 tungsten plate/IFFA DC/SS EANM/3x Heatsink IIs.
3x Trimark Armor rigs.
642 Grid left over, 2.0 CPU (with the faction EANM)
~47k armor w/ slaves, resists are 68.14/63.23/60.78/80.13 kin/therm/exp/EM
~975 DPS or so raw with guns.
Assume all skills at 5.
Against a typical Domi dual rep tank w/ resists of 81.1/81/173.84/73.82 therm/kin/exp/EM you get about 435 DPS from the guns on armor, and with the typical DC2 fit, you end up with about 488 DPS on structure.
This isn't counting drones of course, but with the Abaddon's small drone bay, I'd probably fit 5x ECM drones and 5x lights for inty duty etc. rather than bother with 3x heavies.
It still isn't 'cap stable' with the 800 injector, but I think that it will be able to maintain enough cap over the course of a fight to kill a target before it runs out of armor since I'd be using Slaves, plus it's really high natural resists.
One or two Nos, and I'm sure I'd be dead meat, but maybe not. Might be able to burn through the armor of a Domi before I cap out. Additionally, I'll be using Amarr Navy Multifreq crystals, which should provide me with the same DPS as Conflag, but without the tracking/cap penalties, so that's an additional -25% off my calculated cap load.
I should be able to get away with best named lasers and the faction multifreq crystals until I get T2, then just keep the multifreqs and run the T2 guns.
With my current skills, I get an optimal of 15km, and a falloff of 9.6km, So I'll be able to hit quite well out to 25km, plus I have the MWD to dictate range.
Some other things that I was considering was trading the Trimarks for cap rigs, or swapping the MWD for an AB due to the cap penalty.
What do you people think?
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.22 19:38:00 -
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Don't use it a whole lot but have tried solo this setup
4 mega pulse II's
4 heavy nos
ab II
disruptor
web
heavy injector
2 x LAR II's, active exp, therm, kin hardeners, eanm II, dmg ctrl
2 rep amount rigs and rep cycle time rig.
Plenty of cap, ridiculous tank with bs5. not great damage but it has killed several t2 fitted bs before solo.
these days i'm bored with nos setups and would much rather go heavy on dps but it does work.
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.22 19:39:00 -
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Sounds hot. :) Come fight me in it.
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.22 19:55:00 -
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Abaddon caps out like crazy sadly :(
You can fit a dual rep setup with 5x guns, 3x heavy nos... it works far better in 1v1.
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KD.Fluffy
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.06.22 19:55:00 -
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Ah, I see you have decided to train another race. Prolyl a good idea when the grass seems greener ont he other side. Let me know how it turns out, I'm trianing galletne from caldari so we will see how that is for me 
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.22 20:08:00 -
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 Originally by: KD.Fluffy
Ah, I see you have decided to train another race. Prolyl a good idea when the grass seems greener ont he other side. Let me know how it turns out, I'm trianing galletne from caldari so we will see how that is for me
Amarr is the only one left for me to train. I like gunships, don't really like missile boats for some reason. I was looking at the average EM resists for armor tanking, and as long as you're not shooting another Amarr with resist bonuses, EM is usually about as low as explosive damage, if they're using a generic 3x hardener / dc / eanm setup.
I figured it might actually do more DPS towards Dominix omnitanks than a Mega or Hype would, due to the typical Domi tank having 80%+ resists to both kin/therm, with a lower EM resist. And against HACs and command ships like the Ishtar, Eos, Astarte etc. EM is usually their lowest resist anyway.
And the above setup should probably shred shield tanks fairly well. I'm just wondering about the cap, and whether or not an MWD is really 100% required, or if an afterburner would suffice.
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milinkoee
Bastage Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.06.22 21:04:00 -
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Edited by: milinkoee on 22/06/2007 21:04:31
Dump the MWD for the AB. If they get to close web if they are to far you can warp away. I would use cap rigs too.
Also, you could go with 2 NOS and get rid of a cap booster for a SB or TC too, if you prefer that.
Bastage, Inc.
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.06.22 21:41:00 -
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Please stop trying to active tank the Abaddon. It DOESN'T work, you do not have the cap for it. The Abaddon is a beast passive tanked, it has the best passive tank in game, take advantage of that.
8x Mega Pulse II with Conflag L
MWD II
Heavy Cap Booster II
Disruptor II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor
2x 1600mm plate
3x Heat Sink II
IFFA
EANM II
3x Trimark Rigs
50k armor HP with slaves, 80.4/60.4/63.3/68.2 EM/Exp/Kin/Therm resists. You do about 15% less DPS than Blasterthron but have triple the range and can absorb far more damage.
Alternatively, if you have someone to tackle for you, drop the web/scram for two Sensor Boosters, and try to snipe at 45km with Scorch.
Do NOT drop the MWD. MWD is cruicial. Do not listen to people saying to fit AB on things, AB doesn't belong on PvP fitted ships.
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.22 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Xequecal
Please stop trying to active tank the Abaddon. It DOESN'T work, you do not have the cap for it. The Abaddon is a beast passive tanked, it has the best passive tank in game, take advantage of that.
8x Mega Pulse II with Conflag L
MWD II
Heavy Cap Booster II
Disruptor II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor
2x 1600mm plate
3x Heat Sink II
IFFA
EANM II
3x Trimark Rigs
50k armor HP with slaves, 80.4/60.4/63.3/68.2 EM/Exp/Kin/Therm resists. You do about 15% less DPS than Blasterthron but have triple the range and can absorb far more damage.
Alternatively, if you have someone to tackle for you, drop the web/scram for two Sensor Boosters, and try to snipe at 45km with Scorch.
Do NOT drop the MWD. MWD is cruicial. Do not listen to people saying to fit AB on things, AB doesn't belong on PvP fitted ships.
Did you even read my setup? It's exactly what you have, except that I'm using 1 large Accom rep and a plate instead of two plates. It's 95% passive tank. I wouldn't even run the rep during a fight unless I absolutely had to.
I just can't bring myself to fit a fully passive setup unless I'm fighting at a station within dock range.
Anyway, I *am* using a passive tank, with slaves. The exact setup you're suggesting pretty much.
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KD.Fluffy
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.06.23 00:32:00 -
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my suggestion to you murder one is drop the mwd. The cap penalty is just too painful on an amarr ship. Amarr are really great ships in gangs, fly with a domi pilot that has the nos drone combo and let you sti 25km away with megapulse. If you get into web/scram range, you will definatly get owned by a nos domi. Amarr are the dominant race in the medium range turret world as far as I can tell.
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.23 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: KD.Fluffy
my suggestion to you murder one is drop the mwd. The cap penalty is just too painful on an amarr ship. Amarr are really great ships in gangs, fly with a domi pilot that has the nos drone combo and let you sti 25km away with megapulse. If you get into web/scram range, you will definatly get owned by a nos domi. Amarr are the dominant race in the medium range turret world as far as I can tell.
That's kinda what I was thinking, but I'm on the fence. I'm gonna build one on test and see how bad the MWD cripples the cap.
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Syd Kannath
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Posted - 2007.06.23 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Xequecal
Please stop trying to active tank the Abaddon. It DOESN'T work, you do not have the cap for it. The Abaddon is a beast passive tanked, it has the best passive tank in game, take advantage of that.
Just a quick question, since I'm heading towards the Abaddon myself, eventually. What exactly is a passive armour tank? I don't see any particular passive repair system, so do you refer to just resisting as much damage as possible or something else that I've overlooked?
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Incantare
Caldari
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.23 03:20:00 -
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Edited by: Incantare on 23/06/2007 03:21:00
Just like a passive shield tank without the regen: lots of HP (plates, trimarks) and resists. The idea is to live long enough to kill the other guy.
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Syd Kannath
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Posted - 2007.06.23 03:23:00 -
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Ah so it is that. Thanks.
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Polysynchronicity
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.23 03:26:00 -
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Syd: A "passive armor tank" is a tank which dumps repair systems in favor of high armor HP and resistances. The general idea is that your enemy will never be able to chew through your massive amounts of armor before you have destroyed them.
Pros:
1. No cap use
2. Huge HP and resistances take a while to get through
Cons:
1. When you're using a passive armor tank, you're basically on a timer. Armor doesn't regenerate like shields, so if your opponent can tank your damage long enough, your armor WILL always fail. Passive armor tanks can ALWAYS be broken.
2. You can't repair yourself while in space. You have to dock, get remotely repaired by someone or fit an armor repair module before you can get any of those lost armor HP back.
Conclusion:
1. Passive tanks are best fitted on "gank" setups, which rely on bursts of damage to overwhelm an opponent's sustainable tank. In such setups, cap is often at a premium and the capless tank comes in handy. Plus a passive tank can be fitted with several lowslots to spare for damage mods.
2. Passive tanks can provide some protection against setups that rely on Nosferatu, because they require no cap to operate.
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Kaiserliche Haendlerin
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Posted - 2007.06.27 14:41:00 -
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can you help me please to understand your fittings?
Quote:
~47k armor w/ slaves
what do you mean with slaves???
i need 4 1600 to to have 47K armor.
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Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.06.27 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kaiserliche Haendlerin
Edited by: Kaiserliche Haendlerin on 27/06/2007 14:52:01
can you help me please to understand your fittings?
Quote:
~47k armor w/ slaves
do you mean the implants???
Nah, he carries a full load of Elite Slaves and uses them to coat the outsides of his ship and act as an extra layer of ablative.
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Originally by: "Cyberus"
cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.27 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Xequecal
Please stop trying to active tank the Abaddon. It DOESN'T work, you do not have the cap for it. The Abaddon is a beast passive tanked, it has the best passive tank in game, take advantage of that.
8x Mega Pulse II with Conflag L
MWD II
Heavy Cap Booster II
Disruptor II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor
2x 1600mm plate
3x Heat Sink II
IFFA
EANM II
3x Trimark Rigs
50k armor HP with slaves, 80.4/60.4/63.3/68.2 EM/Exp/Kin/Therm resists. You do about 15% less DPS than Blasterthron but have triple the range and can absorb far more damage.
Alternatively, if you have someone to tackle for you, drop the web/scram for two Sensor Boosters, and try to snipe at 45km with Scorch.
Do NOT drop the MWD. MWD is cruicial. Do not listen to people saying to fit AB on things, AB doesn't belong on PvP fitted ships.
I have to say I disagree completely. On several situations an MWD is worthless. Good FC will have scouts warn you when you are going to jump on a bubble. Do not underestimate AB. A typhoon on AB is the battleships that will receive less damage on a battlefield.. by FAR! Forget 1v1.. tghis is a myth that do not exist in EVE. MWD is very usefull on a lot of situations, but 25% cap and somePG is also. For Brute force BS (the tier 3 ones) they are waste in several situations unless you have a NOS setup. This etup of yours for example.. MWD is waste.. your speed is ridiculowsly slow even with it on!
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LeMoose
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.06.27 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dahak2150
Originally by: Kaiserliche Haendlerin
Edited by: Kaiserliche Haendlerin on 27/06/2007 14:52:01
can you help me please to understand your fittings?
Quote:
~47k armor w/ slaves
do you mean the implants???
Nah, he carries a full load of Elite Slaves and uses them to coat the outsides of his ship and act as an extra layer of ablative.
lol thats bio/ sig material
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 16:00:00 -
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The bhaalgorn way:
4x h. nosf, 4x guns
ab, web, disruptor, injector
3x lar, 3x hardeners, eanm(or dc)
Fits with dhp II, does crap damage but cap stable with hi grade talismans. That was b4 rigs.
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