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Brynhilde
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Posted - 2004.01.17 21:15:00 -
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There is a growing dispute aboute the system for distribution of new tech 2 blueprints... and there is a nagging feeling that there is a bug...
Obviously there are some gamers that have very low RP that have got T2 bps. I have!
As an atempt to collect more facts, please tell us youre stat when u get a T2-blueprint.
Here is my figures:
Agent: lvl 2
RP: less then 200
Company: Boundless C
Research: mechanical engeenering
BP: Small Armor Repairer II
Date: 15 jan
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U cant live without a small armor repairer II!
Can you?
The freedomfighter in a Rifter |
Galea Wildfang
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Posted - 2004.01.17 21:49:00 -
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I think alot of those being higher with their research points just reject the BP in hope to get a better one. If I'd be you, I'd start over right ahead .. might be in the end you collected alot of those cause everyone else wanted some uber-thingy.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.01.17 21:53:00 -
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I think alot of those being higher with their research points just reject the BP in hope to get a better one. If I'd be you, I'd start over right ahead .. might be in the end you collected alot of those cause everyone else wanted some uber-thingy.
You think wrong, from the acounts of those I spoke to and the posts on the forums this is not the case.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.01.18 08:46:00 -
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Brynhilde,
I would assume it is working correctly ... I mean, as a player you can't really tell if it worked properly or not. Why not count your lucky stars instead of complaining? You got a T2 blueprint with less than 200 RP. What luck! Like winning the Powerball lottery with only 1 ticket when some people buy thousands of tickets.
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Etharion
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Posted - 2004.01.18 09:30:00 -
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The fact is having more RPs just add some probability for you to gain something.
Bp distribution is a raffle, then even a guy with 1RP can win, even if he has less chance to than his friend with 10000. Just have to be lucky.
I personnaly don't really like this raffle, but when I think about it more deeply, I see it's quite good, or at least is the only way to do it fairly.
The good question is : should RPs have more weight in the system, or not.
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Relentless
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Posted - 2004.01.18 11:02:00 -
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Noone is complaining Cao Cao. Least of all Brynhilde.
So far every tech-2 bp mentioned on the forums has been awarded for very few rp. A couple of players have expressed worry that it might imply that the distribution system isn't working in the manner it was intended/described.
Obviously, with only a half-dozen or so examples, it doesn't prove anything. But it's still enough to worry some of us who have invested significant time in research and want our fair chance.
Brynhilde was nice enough to post her information in the hopes of drawing out some more examples, either to provide some contradictory data (even just 1 example of a bps awarded/offered to a high rp project) or to shed more light on what might be a problem. We're all quite aware of how the distribution system is supposed to work. Just looking for reassurance that it actually is working that way.
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Jobe Calandri
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Posted - 2004.01.18 11:18:00 -
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whats going to happen to all those research agent runners that dont get offered a tech 2 bp???
or end up with basic miner v.2 bps
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Brynhilde
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Posted - 2004.01.18 11:19:00 -
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Noone is complaining Cao Cao. Least of all Brynhilde.
So far every tech-2 bp mentioned on the forums has been awarded for very few rp. A couple of players have expressed worry that it might imply that the distribution system isn't working in the manner it was intended/described.
Obviously, with only a half-dozen or so examples, it doesn't prove anything. But it's still enough to worry some of us who have invested significant time in research and want our fair chance.
Brynhilde was nice enough to post her information in the hopes of drawing out some more examples, either to provide some contradictory data (even just 1 example of a bps awarded/offered to a high rp project) or to shed more light on what might be a problem. We're all quite aware of how the distribution system is supposed to work. Just looking for reassurance that it actually is working that way.
Thx, u said it better than I can do myself!
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U need a Small Armor Repairer II!
Don¦t U?
The freedomfighter in a Rifter |
Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.18 13:42:00 -
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Add another "suspicious" one to the list?:
Signal Amp II from LaiDai for 256 points.
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Lurk
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Posted - 2004.01.18 16:25:00 -
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I got a Micro Photon Smartbomb II from Duvolle Labs for about 300 RP.
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Karl Staf
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Posted - 2004.01.18 16:34:00 -
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ther are proboly allot more players whit ÷ow RP than ther are players that have high RP, so the chans is taht someone whit low RP will get lucky, but ther are sp many more peole whit low RP that dont have any luck
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WhiteDwarf
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Posted - 2004.01.18 16:50:00 -
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Well, I just hit 2k RP's in Mech Engineering, no BP's yet, nothing but BS homeless request missions from my RA...
Tech II has certainly not been fun for this EVE subscriber...
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Relentless
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Posted - 2004.01.18 17:14:00 -
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Will pass 3k RPs in Mech Engineering this afternoon.
None of the longer term research projects are hitting. The BPs all seem to be going to projects just several days old with just a few hundred RP.
My growing concern is that there's a bug where projects are being left out of the lottery. Perhaps because they were started too long ago.
The lottery was supposed to make it possible to get lucky with a few RP. But a 2000 RP project was still supposed to have 10 times the chance of a 200 RP project. Instead it's beginning to look as though investing in a long-term project is a good way to insure you get nothing.
And I don't agree with the theory that the majority of RP are in small short projects. There are quite a few players who knuckled down early and who have built up some high RP totals. Why are none of them getting BPs?
Please, if anyone at all has been offered a BP on an older, higher RP project, post some information about it.
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.01.18 17:43:00 -
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OMG I am amazed at the whinage in this thread. It is truely astounding.
Cheese anyone?
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Relentless
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Posted - 2004.01.18 18:12:00 -
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Cheese anyone?
Are you lost? The pimple-popping trollers channel is three doors down.
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Tanner Mirabel
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Posted - 2004.01.18 18:23:00 -
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I was offered a BP with over 900 RP. Not a huge amount of points compared to some but a decent amount. You have to remeber as well that a large proportion (though not all)of those with massive amount of points have that many because their skill has a mulitplier which has been put on because those skills dont go towards many of the BPs and so if no BP has been released that they have access to then it wont matter how many points they have, they wont be getting offered a BP.
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Relentless
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Posted - 2004.01.18 18:44:00 -
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Thanks. I have considered the fact that a chunk of the early projects were starship and turret research, and likely haven't been eligable for a lottery yet. But a lot weren't as well. My project is mech engineering. I thought I was being clever going after a generic field when I expected everyone to research starships, but it turns out a number of other people had the same idea.
Still, obviously there are lots of possible innocuous reasons for all the low rp payoffs. That's why the request for information.
Would you mind giving one more bit of data; what day did you start your project on? Just for the record, I began mine on 12/28.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.01.18 18:50:00 -
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The lottery was supposed to make it possible to get lucky with a few RP. But a 2000 RP project was still supposed to have 10 times the chance of a 200 RP project...
but not remotely as much chance as the 200 guys who all have 200RP projects, put together. There's *vastly* more small-rp projects than there are large ones, ergo, most of the tickets in the lottery belong to small-rp projects, ergo, most of the winning tickets will do so as well.
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Relentless
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Posted - 2004.01.18 19:19:00 -
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There's *vastly* more small-rp projects than there are large ones...
On what source are you basing that statement? Or are you guessing? The people I know fall into in two camps. Those who prepped and started a project fairly early and have 1000s of RP, and those who haven't yet gotten their skills/standings up enough to start the project they want, but expect to be there soon. The two camps are roughly equal in number. (of course there's a third camp that doesn't give a damn, but I'm leaving them out)
The few recently started projects I know of, I heard about through this forum. I've yet to hear anything that would make me believe that the small projects even outnumber the large projects, much less the kind of ratio you're describing.
This would be a great statistic for a GM or dev to come in and give us a hint on. Or someone who knows a lot of researchers.
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Doc Brown
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Posted - 2004.01.18 19:21:00 -
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Have you guys considered that there is more to the BP lottery than straight RP points?
What is the level and EQ of the agent(s) who gave you a BP reward?
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.01.18 19:37:00 -
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Have you guys considered that there is more to the BP lottery than straight RP points?
What is the level and EQ of the agent(s) who gave you a BP reward?
I have considered the colour of my hair as a determining factor in getting a bp, the trouble is we KNOW NOTHING. so we're trying to get some statistics so we get some idea of what's going on since the devs are keeping their mouths shut, and I'm really really starting to get ****ed about that. 
Guessing that there is a vast number of small research projects, going against everything posted in here, does NOT help.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Halo Jones
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Posted - 2004.01.18 19:43:00 -
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Have you guys considered that there is more to the BP lottery than straight RP points?
What is the level and EQ of the agent(s) who gave you a BP reward?
No we haven't considered this, as Papasmurf clealy states this is not the case. Currently thinsg are setup that 1 r/p = 1 ticket, that may be subject to change eventually, as combined operations are considered, but currently its 1:1.
I too was curious on this matter, and would be interested to see people posting at which points level they received an 'Offer' of a print, whether rejected or accepted.
I assumed it was due to an incredible amount of small totals and only a few large for the current distribution, but would like to see values. Bar the chap with 900 points who turned the print down, that the first person who has trained more than a few days who has got offered one from what i have heard, so it would be nice to see additional information from others.
They have got equations incorrect in the past, raw data helps assess matters ;)
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Kerr AVON
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Posted - 2004.01.18 23:28:00 -
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Quite a few people who started researching immediately after the patch use level 1 or 2 agents. They have fewer RP's, but didn't want to lose the RP's they accumulated. They have stuck with the low level agent in the hope that they'd get a BP early and then be able to switch to a level 3.
Added to the number of people researching starship, I'm not surprised at all that the winners we hear about have low RP's.
A pure guess on my part would be that if you added the RP's of all the guys in a particular field who have a large number of RP's each, it would still only account for 15-20% of the research in that field.
Let's be honest, there haven't been that many BP's given out. Once more appear, I'm sure the law of averages will placate all the people freaked out atm.
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Ertai Vodalion
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Posted - 2004.01.19 09:50:00 -
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I started my research Project on 17.12. with a level 2 Roden Shipyard Agent for Rocket Science,
declined 2 Missions since then and have a total of 2039 RP.
I didn¦t get an offer for a T2 BP yet - and sure as hell I would never decline it !
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Bellac
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Posted - 2004.01.19 11:12:00 -
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Edited by: Bellac on 19/01/2004 11:14:28
I suspect that nobody at this time actually has a Tech 2 Ship BP. As alot of people with high skill points are researching this skill this would explain why they are not getting BPs. Anyone doing research in this field will be amassing a large number of point (because of the skill multipliers) with no chance as yet of actually getting a BP. I get this impression from the post of the CSM chatlog which can be found at
http://evevault.ign.com/articles/462/462986p1.html
Here TomB states that the Tech 2 ships are still under testing on the test server.
If anyone has a Tech 2 Ship BP lets see a Screenshot, i'm prepared to be proved wrong 
(Over 5000 Research points in Amarr Starship)
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VoxDei
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Posted - 2004.01.19 13:33:00 -
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Over 2k RPs in Graviton Physics (L2 Lai Dai agent, started 23/12), and not a sausage... I'm prepared to accept that it's luck of the draw, but it'd be nice to have some confirmation...
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Papa Smurf
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Posted - 2004.01.19 13:46:00 -
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Have you guys considered that there is more to the BP lottery than straight RP points?
What is the level and EQ of the agent(s) who gave you a BP reward?
The only other thing involved is the research field. EQ effects the number of points per day though.
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Papa Smurf
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Posted - 2004.01.19 13:49:00 -
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Have you guys considered that there is more to the BP lottery than straight RP points?
What is the level and EQ of the agent(s) who gave you a BP reward?
I have considered the colour of my hair as a determining factor in getting a bp, the trouble is we KNOW NOTHING. so we're trying to get some statistics so we get some idea of what's going on since the devs are keeping their mouths shut, and I'm really really starting to get ****ed about that.
Guessing that there is a vast number of small research projects, going against everything posted in here, does NOT help.
I have practically posted the source code for this stuff on numerous occasions, both on the forums and on the IRC channels.
There are plenty of players who know plenty about it and quite often do help other players, but I'm not going to be always answering the same questions again and again.
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Papa Smurf
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Posted - 2004.01.19 13:55:00 -
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I started my research Project on 17.12. with a level 2 Roden Shipyard Agent for Rocket Science,
declined 2 Missions since then and have a total of 2039 RP.
I didn¦t get an offer for a T2 BP yet - and sure as hell I would never decline it !
There haven't been any BPs dished out in Rocket Science.
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Papa Smurf
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Posted - 2004.01.19 14:18:00 -
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There are 2376 projects currently ongoing. The average RP value is 2068. The strongest RP project ongoing is currently 12361. The fastest growing project is at 213 points per day.
The reason why so few people have gotten BPs isn't because the high rollers aren't being offered BPs as far as I can tell. When somebody with 12.000 RPs is offered a Crapbomb II Blueprint he declines it. He will not be offered another Crapbomb II BP for about a month with that agent. Thus even though the research gods are offered the Crapbomb II BP first, it generally falls as crumbs from the tables of these mighty research lords, filtering down towards the bottom-dwellers until somebody is willing to accept the BP.
There's just too few BP types in the lottery at the moment, and each type doesn't get more than a few copies to ensure that players have a proper monopoly.
Hj÷rtur promised to get the list ready by last friday to add more BP's. I'm going to start applying some pressure on him.
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