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MightyRed	Posted - 2007.06.24 16:39:00 - [1] Edited by: MightyRed on 24/06/2007 16:38:27 Basically my question is which race has the best ships for each stage? I currently use a Minmatar rifter and had to add 3 cpu and more power which takes space up so what is the best I am Caldari race does that matter too much? Thanks MightyRed
Sally Fourth	Posted - 2007.06.24 16:47:00 - [2] Edited by: Sally Fourth on 24/06/2007 16:46:51 Originally by: MightyRed Edited by: MightyRed on 24/06/2007 16:38:27 Basically my question is which race has the best ships for each stage? I currently use a Minmatar rifter and had to add 3 cpu and more power which takes space up so what is the best I am Caldari race does that matter too much? You've opened up a whole can of worms mate..... The best ship in EvE is subjective. Some people swear by amarr, other minmatar. It all depends on your play style. If you like speed, minmatar then amarr are the way to go. Tanks go to amarr. Overwhelming damage? Close range gallente can't be beat till their cap dies. Sniping and missiles is the Caldari's Domain. There is no best ship in eve, there is just the best ship for you which takes some experimenting. Hope that helps BTW a Rifter is a Damn good frigate, arguably the best t1 frig in the game
Breytli Woelin	Posted - 2007.06.24 16:49:00 - [3] None of them do. It all depends on how you want to fight and tank the dmg. There is no "best" race, just preferences depending on the player. I run Gallante for my main because I liked drones and rails and armor tanking. With my alt I started Amarr, then changed to Caldari because I finally conceded that an Apoc will never match the dmg of a Raven, and I wanted to actually get lvl 4s done before I retired in real life . . . . Read the boards, see what people say. Try a few different things. It's not like you lose the skills, or have to be in a rush to get to a battleship.
Igualmentedos	Posted - 2007.06.24 16:49:00 - [4] whatever it is it'd probably be gallente. Since they're by far the most balanced faction.
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.24 16:55:00 - [5] Originally by: MightyRed Edited by: MightyRed on 24/06/2007 16:38:27 Basically my question is which race has the best ships for each stage? It really depends on what roles you're looking for. A more specific question would be useful, such as "What are the best battleships for solo and small group PvP?" At that point, you would probably receive a response of: "Dominix, blasterthron, tempest, maelstrom. Of the ships just listed, the dominix is arguably the most powerful (and is often considered broken due to the fact that it doesn't have to sacrifice EW and damage to fit a WICKED tank)." Quote: I currently use a Minmatar rifter and had to add 3 cpu and more power which takes space up so what is the best I am Caldari race does that matter too much? Not at all. I'm Caldari and I can fly all races' T1 ships up through BS, and am further specialized in both Matari and Caldari command ships and HACs, with the addition of Caldari assault frigs, interceptors, and dreads. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.06.24 16:55:00 - [6] No best race in this game, only easy mode and hard mode. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
TheEndofTheWorld	Posted - 2007.06.24 17:01:00 - [7] Originally by: Jim McGregor No best race in this game, only easy mode and hard mode. Yes, Minmatar + Gallente => Easy mode Caldari + Amarr => Hard mode (of course there are exceptions like crow or curse)
GO MaZ Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.06.24 17:04:00 - [8] Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld Yes, Minmatar + Gallente => Easy mode Caldari + Amarr => Hard mode (of course there are exceptions like crow or curse) Caldari - lock target, F1-F6, go afk
Uhr Zylex	Posted - 2007.06.24 17:21:00 - [9] Which race has the best ships? Well, that's pretty easy. The Jove
Murehz	Posted - 2007.06.24 17:26:00 - [10] Originally by: GO MaZ Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld Yes, Minmatar + Gallente => Easy mode Caldari + Amarr => Hard mode (of course there are exceptions like crow or curse) Caldari - lock target, F1-F6, go afk Now try them in solo PvP.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.06.24 17:45:00 - [11] Originally by: Uhr Zylex Which race has the best ships? Well, that's pretty easy. The Jove Damn you, you beat me to it Other than Jove non-available ships, there's no such thing really as "best ship". Would there REALLY be one race with "the best ships", then the EVE devs would have failed miserably. Sure, some race is slightly "on top" at a certain moment, but they're being balanced (cough nerfed) often enough that it doesn't stay like that for long... well, usually, anyway. _ New char creation guide \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Methodius	Posted - 2007.06.24 17:51:00 - [12] Gallente and Matari have the best PvP ships atm. Other races have their gems, but those two, imho, have the highest percentage of useful ships out of all the ships in their arsenals.
Murehz	Posted - 2007.06.24 17:52:00 - [13] Frig - debatable, AF - gallente/minmatar (again debatable) Ceptor - All races are good here for different things Dessy - Minmatar/caldari (IMO) Dictor - Minmatar (with caldari in second imo) Cruiser - Minmatar(ruppy)/gallente(rax/vexor)/amarr(arbi) Recon - All good for different things HAC - All good for different things BC - Gallente CS - Minmatar/gallente (although other people like different things and others can be better depending on what you want from them) BS - All good Won't go into capitals for the moment and all this is IMO.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.06.24 18:01:00 - [14] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 24/06/2007 17:59:34 Originally by: Murehz Won't go into capitals for the moment and all this is IMO. Good, because thats where minmatar seems to horribly fail. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.24 18:05:00 - [15] Edited by: Sokratesz on 24/06/2007 18:04:03 Minmatar caps can be pretty damn' good, take the nidh, throw 5 true sansha cap power relays and a dread guristas shieldtank (total: just over 1 bil) at it, and you got a monster tank with silly cap to waste on remote repping your gang.
GO MaZ Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.06.24 18:29:00 - [16] Originally by: Sokratesz Minmatar caps can be pretty damn' good, take the nidh, throw 5 true sansha cap power relays and a dread guristas shieldtank (total: just over 1 bil) at it, and you got a monster tank with silly cap to waste on remote repping your gang. -50% shield boost bonus from those CPR's, probably not the best idea
Pottsey Gallente Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.06.24 18:34:00 - [17] "Which race has the best ships? Well, that's pretty easy. The Jove" Not by a long shot Enheduanni ships are way better. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Talasan The Bratwurst Burglars	Posted - 2007.06.24 19:00:00 - [18] Edited by: Talasan on 24/06/2007 19:01:23 These are what I consider the best in each category for PVP, not pve. I have mentioned them in order of how good they are, so first one mentioned i think is the best frigate - rifter (min), punisher (amarr) crusier - rupture (min), thorax (gall), arbitrator (amarr) battlecrusier - myrm (gall), hurriccane (minmatar) interceptor - crow for inty 1v1 (caldari), stilletto for tackling (minmatar) assault ship - ishkur (gallente), jaguar (minmatar) Destroyer - minmatar Interdictor - minmatar recon ship - amarr (they both pwn for solo), minmatar (for gangs) HAC - vagabond (minmatar), ishtar (gall) CBC - both gall, sleipnir (min), absolution (amarr) BS - Gallente, minmatar, abaddon/geddon (amarr) Carrier - Amarr, gallente I know nothing of mothership/titans, but im guna take a stab and say mothership would be a simular situation to the carriers its all situational, but thats what i think in general "minmatar got the shaft again? sure ill bend over right away"
MightyRed	Posted - 2007.06.24 19:43:00 - [19] Hi guys thanks for the reply. I just wanted to see what the common comments where for this question I know their has to be a balance in the game as this would be unfair to say one ship is the out right best or "best race" I'm still pretty new so I've had the condor, Merlin and now the rifter all have had different + and - to their uses and playing styles I think the rifter seems limited or I have not got the best setup so far for power vs cpu usage but I guess that is a whole other can of worms lol. Thanks MightyRed
Entreri Finwe Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2007.06.24 21:59:00 - [20] I think you might have your Rifter set-up abit "wrong" tbh... You should be able to fit it superb w/o any fitting mods... ---
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2007.06.24 22:57:00 - [21] 3 cpu's and a grid booster? That to me is 4 low slots, the rifter only has to so huh? what are you talking about? Also if you lack cpu my question is, Are you trying to use Mining Lasers on it? Last I checked the rifter was easy to fit out and own any other t1 frigate. So whats the problem again? Also best ships overall, Minmatar, Thats overall % more powerful of all ships in game.
MightyRed	Posted - 2007.06.24 23:15:00 - [22] Originally by: Nian Banks 3 cpu's and a grid booster? That to me is 4 low slots, the rifter only has to so huh? what are you talking about? Also if you lack cpu my question is, Are you trying to use Mining Lasers on it? Last I checked the rifter was easy to fit out and own any other t1 frigate. So whats the problem again? Also best ships overall, Minmatar, Thats overall % more powerful of all ships in game. Ah most likely is the mining laser then I will take it off and see what It gives reading wise. Thanks MightyRed
Kern Hotha	Posted - 2007.06.24 23:31:00 - [23] You can't go wrong with Gallente ships. That's about all I can say --- Be true to your work, your word, and your friend. Henry David Thoreau
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.25 12:32:00 - [24] Edited by: Sokratesz on 25/06/2007 12:33:56 Originally by: GO MaZ Originally by: Sokratesz Minmatar caps can be pretty damn' good, take the nidh, throw 5 true sansha cap power relays and a dread guristas shieldtank (total: just over 1 bil) at it, and you got a monster tank with silly cap to waste on remote repping your gang. -50% shield boost bonus from those CPR's, probably not the best idea Sorry to burst your bubble but the penalty is stacking penalized which means that with 5 relays you will get about 28% penalty to boost amount, which is offset completely by using 2 boost amps. Thats 28% less tank for 420% better cap recharge.
Ralara Caldari Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.25 12:43:00 - [25] Originally by: MightyRed Edited by: MightyRed on 24/06/2007 16:38:27 Basically my question is which race has the best ships for each stage? I currently use a Minmatar rifter and had to add 3 cpu and more power which takes space up so what is the best I am Caldari race does that matter too much? Best PVE: Lvl 1 missions - Kestral / Caracal Lvl 2 missions - caracal / drake lvl 3 missions - drake lvl 4 missions - Raven (or dominix) As for best pvp... well that's entirely subjective. Generally it'll be a Gallente / Minmitar ship although Caldari and Ammar do have their uses.
Wideen Nemesis Industries	Posted - 2007.06.25 16:38:00 - [26] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Uhr Zylex Which race has the best ships? Well, that's pretty easy. The Jove Damn you, you beat me to it Off topic, these is supposedly another race superior to even Jove located beyond Jovian space, called Polaris. But in that case we're talking supernatural which is ok with me =)
Dragonrazor Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.26 01:06:00 - [27] TBH it depends on your play style, and what you want to do in each ship class... In each race there is a ship in each class designed to fullfill a different role. IMHO the frigates the most well rounded class, as each ship for each race is capable of something useful just about. The problem though is TI frigates have been left so far behind in the dust that most people never fly them again except when they need a cheap expendable tackler... as most folks fly ceptors, dictors, or cruisers instead... Even the once impressive AF has been relegated to expensive but otherwise useless rich boy toy that brings nothing really worthwhile to the table unless your fighting other frigates, and even then, almost anything can outrun an AF... Sad... AF's should have higher speeds I think. Not ceptor speeds, but certainly not slower than the TI frigs they are based on. HAC's for example are not slower than their TI counterparts, they are faster usually. So really you have to pick your race based on play style preferences... but never fear, your never fully boxed in even when you make that choice because each race has in each class a ship meant to be competitive at least on the most basic level with a role other races fulfill. This however changes the further you go, as BS's are quite a bit less diverse... For example, there is no EW BS other than the caldari Scorpion... It doesn't mean you can't use another ship for this role, it just means that you'd be being foolish to expect say, a domi to act like a scorpion, when it would be wasting so much better potential for other uses. Frigates and cruisers are well balanced between the races in terms of role specialization, every race has a ship that can fill a certain role well enough to be used in a pinch. In the end the only way to really answer your question is to let you read around the forums, pick a race that sounds like fun (hint, don't just pick the flavor of the month race... because you will get burned... yes gallente are looking tough right now, so are minnie's but there was a time when amarr was the sick house king, and a time when if you weren't flying caldari you were gimping yourself... If you plan to play this game for more than a few months/weeks, and plan to play for the long haul, pick a race because it's play style sounds the most interesting, and know that there is wiggle room within each race to fulfill different roles when you need/want to in a pinch. Variety between what ships are good at in EVE is part of the fun... If each race had total balance for all ships, the game would be less interesting. IMHO providing there is some imbalance, but not bad enough to make entire races a bad choice, or make an entire ship class for a race a bad choice, the balance is "ok" I like the fact that my Thorax is tough as nails versus other races cruisers, but that rupture can do things I can't... The best part is, EVE is not meant to be be played as a solo PVP experience in the sense that any ship/race can do it. Some ships are better for this, but worse at gang, and vice versa. In a gang, having a good 1v1 ship doesn't mean your going to be the most powerful in the fleet. As there are times when that 1v1 capability is useless... Take the myrm for example... 1v1 it's a bad mofo of a BC... But it's greatest asset is also a great weakness... It's not as mobile as the brutix... as it has to wait around to launch and retrieve drones... If you need to stay on the move the myrm despite being potent as hell 1v1, suddenly loses favor because the brutix doesn't rely on it's drones as anything more than a little extra DPS or anti frig/tackler screening. Instead it can prowl with the rest of the gang and play hit and run without having to feel the terrible need to stay around and wait for the drones. Even though the brutix might not be a good match against a Myrm, most gang leaders would prefer that unless it's a gate camp. /End lecture ******************************************* "Stars Die... Empires fall... We are dust..." *******************************************
zattariss	Posted - 2007.06.26 04:21:00 - [28] Undead Warlock. With WOTF you can avoid fears and have an extra break with trinket, while doing insane damage. Spec demo.
Shandling Minmatar Cotton Buds Frontline.	Posted - 2007.06.26 04:58:00 - [29] Originally by: zattariss Undead Warlock. With WOTF you can avoid fears and have an extra break with trinket, while doing insane damage. Spec demo. Nerf Paladins
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.06.26 05:05:00 - [30] Jove

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