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![Khan Dhu Khan Dhu](https://images.evetech.net/characters/605921240/portrait?size=64)
Khan Dhu
Khan Dhu Research and Cloning
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Posted - 2007.06.25 22:06:00 -
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Edited by: Khan Dhu on 25/06/2007 22:05:31 Why aren't there Amarr/Ammatar Navy XL crystals, Gallente Navy XL Charges, and Caldari Navy Citadels?
Is this an accidental oversight?
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![Nyphur Nyphur](https://images.evetech.net/characters/870162765/portrait?size=64)
Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.06.25 22:19:00 -
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There's navy XL ammo?!
Federal Freight definitely don't offer any XL ammo, can you get a screenshot of it?
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![Derovius Vaden Derovius Vaden](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1062479875/portrait?size=64)
Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.06.25 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Khan Dhu Edited by: Khan Dhu on 25/06/2007 22:05:31 Why aren't there Amarr/Ammatar Navy XL crystals, Gallente Navy XL Charges, and Caldari Navy Citadels?
Is this an accidental oversight?
Because Minmatar are CCP's newest favourite son; Caldari had their reign, Gallente smell like bad cheese and the Amarr are racist *****s. Yay Matar.
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![BlackHorizon BlackHorizon](https://images.evetech.net/characters/724418521/portrait?size=64)
BlackHorizon
Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.06.25 22:31:00 -
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I would be very upset if CCP added faction XL ammo for empire dwellers redeemable for LP without rebalancing it.
The fact is that Amarr Navy, Federation Navy, Caldari Navy and Republic fleet ammo are all superior to the pirate faction ammo from pirate faction LP stores. Sansha/Dark Blood, Serpentis, Guristas, and Domination ammo/crystals are all inferior to the empire kind.
This is broken and readily available empire faction ammo breaks the risk versus reward of pirate faction mission running (implants aside).
CCP, nerf empire faction ammo/crystals, or improve the pirate faction ones (eg, give us True Sansha instead of just Sansha) LP store offers.
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![Khan Dhu Khan Dhu](https://images.evetech.net/characters/605921240/portrait?size=64)
Khan Dhu
Khan Dhu Research and Cloning
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Posted - 2007.06.25 22:32:00 -
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Edited by: Khan Dhu on 25/06/2007 22:31:22
Originally by: Nyphur There's navy XL ammo?!
Federal Freight definitely don't offer any XL ammo, can you get a screenshot of it?
No, the only faction with their own Navy XL ammo is the Republic Fleet (Minmatar).
There are no Faction/Navy Citadels at all, and all other XL ammo is relegated to pirate factions.
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![Nyphur Nyphur](https://images.evetech.net/characters/870162765/portrait?size=64)
Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.06.25 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Khan Dhu No, the only faction with their own Navy XL ammo is the Republic Fleet (Minmatar).
Right, and can you get a screenshot of it?
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![Khan Dhu Khan Dhu](https://images.evetech.net/characters/605921240/portrait?size=64)
Khan Dhu
Khan Dhu Research and Cloning
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Posted - 2007.06.25 22:59:00 -
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![Mr Bondy Mr Bondy](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1574882878/portrait?size=64)
Mr Bondy
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.06.25 23:18:00 -
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Wow...
And hey...thats just not fair ![Sad](/images/icon_sad.gif)
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![Spoon Thumb Spoon Thumb](https://images.evetech.net/characters/799516274/portrait?size=64)
Spoon Thumb
Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.06.26 00:05:00 -
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You know, Royal Khanid Navy gives absolutely nothing in LP store aside from some crappy hardwires (not even any of the new ones) and standard implants and a couple of connections books.
So why the hell do CCP have time to go making new stuff for other factions when we don't even get what everyone else has as base / standard?
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![Khan Dhu Khan Dhu](https://images.evetech.net/characters/605921240/portrait?size=64)
Khan Dhu
Khan Dhu Research and Cloning
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Posted - 2007.06.26 03:32:00 -
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I'd rather this not get buried.
Though I am interested to see the divergence of "this shouldn't be" and "hey, why doesn't xxxx navy get faction ammo," though.
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![Sharupak Sharupak](https://images.evetech.net/characters/766087191/portrait?size=64)
Sharupak
Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun The Kano Organisation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 03:35:00 -
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Was I the only one that tried to click the info button on the screenshot? LOL!
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![Ariel Dawn Ariel Dawn](https://images.evetech.net/characters/916857044/portrait?size=64)
Ariel Dawn
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.26 03:49:00 -
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Might be a slight effort in balancing (who knows); the Naglfar has the longest training time due to split weapons, the worst tank and despite all that it has the 2nd lowest DPS using Artillery. A small boost isn't bad ![Smile](/images/icon_smile.gif)
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![Nyphur Nyphur](https://images.evetech.net/characters/870162765/portrait?size=64)
Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.06.26 04:03:00 -
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Ooh, it's real. Did the other races just not get any or is it in a certain corp's list, I wonder.
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![Namingway Namingway](https://images.evetech.net/characters/863010680/portrait?size=64)
Namingway
Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters
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Posted - 2007.06.26 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: BlackHorizon I would be very upset if CCP added faction XL ammo for empire dwellers redeemable for LP without rebalancing it.
The fact is that Amarr Navy, Federation Navy, Caldari Navy and Republic fleet ammo are all superior to the pirate faction ammo from pirate faction LP stores. Sansha/Dark Blood, Serpentis, Guristas, and Domination ammo/crystals are all inferior to the empire kind.
I'm guessing you mean hybrid ammo because Guristas missiles are superior to Caldari Navy.
Dread Guristas Missiles actually do more damage than T2 high-damage missiles, and they have the t1 explosion stats.![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
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![Ernest Graefenberg Ernest Graefenberg](https://images.evetech.net/characters/919962829/portrait?size=64)
Ernest Graefenberg
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.26 04:29:00 -
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To clarify, Domination ammo is not inferior to Republic fleet. Arch Angel (from the LP store) is.
The order of bonuses is the following : [Tier 1 Pirate Faction] = 10% [Empire Faction] = 15% [Tier 2 Pirate Faction] = 20%
So in this case : Arch Angel = 10% Republic Fleet = 15% Domination = 20%
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![Idara Idara](https://images.evetech.net/characters/849447723/portrait?size=64)
Idara
Caldari Missioners Anonymous
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Posted - 2007.06.26 04:45:00 -
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Wow, it costs less to get 5000 faction XL ammo than it takes to get 5000 CN torps. ![ugh](/images/icon_ugh.gif) --- in EVE - Idara |
![Khan Dhu Khan Dhu](https://images.evetech.net/characters/605921240/portrait?size=64)
Khan Dhu
Khan Dhu Research and Cloning
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Posted - 2007.06.26 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur Ooh, it's real. Did the other races just not get any or is it in a certain corp's list, I wonder.
No - there are no other Navy XL ammo or *any* Faction/Navy Citadels.
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![Jim McGregor Jim McGregor](https://images.evetech.net/characters/786173472/portrait?size=64)
Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.06.26 05:34:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 26/06/2007 05:33:24
Originally by: Idara Wow, it costs less to get 5000 faction XL ammo than it takes to get 5000 CN torps. ![ugh](/images/icon_ugh.gif)
Maybe because 5000 shots of autocannon ammo is eaten up like candy in 30 minutes. It takes quite a lot of rounds to get the same damage as one missile. ![Smile](/images/icon_smile.gif) ---
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![Mr Friendly Mr Friendly](https://images.evetech.net/characters/650999769/portrait?size=64)
Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
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Posted - 2007.06.26 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sharupak Was I the only one that tried to click the info button on the screenshot? LOL!
I do that sort of thing every time I watch a Eve video too ![Embarassed](/images/icon_redface.gif) Sort of like leaning into the corners when you play a racing game I guess ![Surprised](/images/icon_surprised.gif)
As for the OP: hey! that's not fair... time to run some missions for those guys I guess, if CCP is going to ignore the rest of us...
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![Khan Dhu Khan Dhu](https://images.evetech.net/characters/605921240/portrait?size=64)
Khan Dhu
Khan Dhu Research and Cloning
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Posted - 2007.06.26 05:58:00 -
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Core Complexion isn't the only corporation that gives it out, I'm sure.
The bad thing is that Core Complexion doesn't have L4Q20 Courier agent "hubs" like a lot of other production-centric companies. I'm looking for ones that do.
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![Idara Idara](https://images.evetech.net/characters/849447723/portrait?size=64)
Idara
Caldari Missioners Anonymous
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Posted - 2007.06.26 06:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 26/06/2007 05:33:24
Originally by: Idara Wow, it costs less to get 5000 faction XL ammo than it takes to get 5000 CN torps. ![ugh](/images/icon_ugh.gif)
Maybe because 5000 shots of autocannon ammo is eaten up like candy in 30 minutes. It takes quite a lot of rounds to get the same damage as one missile. ![Smile](/images/icon_smile.gif)
But ammo isn't use specific. That could be in an artillery instead of AC. And if it's used up so fast, why does every other XL ammo cost more than a single missile round?
Not saying anything, just that the LP cost and ISK cost seems off for a capital item. --- in EVE - Idara |
![Mikal Drey Mikal Drey](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1782503969/portrait?size=64)
Mikal Drey
Angels and Demons
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Posted - 2007.06.26 07:08:00 -
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hey hey
Actually it was quite expensive to get 5K RF XL ammo :(
Consider you also have to purchase/build 5K of the normal varient which wasnt cheap; then exchange it.
Dont ask why but yes, i got 5k of each type :)
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![Khan Dhu Khan Dhu](https://images.evetech.net/characters/605921240/portrait?size=64)
Khan Dhu
Khan Dhu Research and Cloning
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Posted - 2007.06.26 07:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mikal Drey hey hey
Actually it was quite expensive to get 5K RF XL ammo :(
Yeah, it's about 12-13m per 5000 rounds assuming you use a 1000 isk/LP conversion rate.
Considering that's about 1/2-3/4 of a good-stat +4 now, yeah, it's pricey when you're talking about stockpiling.
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