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Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.06.25 22:23:00 - [1] http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=432 Ok I tried this once and noone showed up but the trolls and those with napalm for blood... Can we try to get an honmest discussion this time? Leave the flamethrowers at home? What do you all think of what CCP have planned for the game? I realize some of this has already happened but for the stuff that hasnt yet, what do you think? Im not meaning this as a whine... Im not trolling... Im not necroing (well sorta not)... What IM LOOKING FOR is honest answers and THATS IT ======================================== "The environment plays a big part but EVE is a "PvP" game." Oveur (Its not a MMORPG after all - I sent Oveur a email to update the main page)
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.25 22:25:00 - [2] Originally by: Richard Aiel http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=432 Ok I tried this once and noone showed up but the trolls and those with napalm for blood... Can we try to get an honmest discussion this time? Leave the flamethrowers at home? What do you all think of what CCP have planned for the game? I realize some of this has already happened but for the stuff that hasnt yet, what do you think? Im not meaning this as a whine... Im not trolling... Im not necroing (well sorta not)... What IM LOOKING FOR is honest answers and THATS IT That dev blog is 4 months young, noob.
Na'Kunni Amarr Null Horizon	Posted - 2007.06.25 22:27:00 - [3] I'll be honest I..... Don't give..... a monkeys ú$%"%ks...
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.25 22:41:00 - [4] Lets see, where to start... As I re-read the blog you linked to, the philosophy part... Quote: It's important to understand that EVE is a "PvP" focused game, but in a broader sense of the word. This is also why both terms are in quotes. Imagine me with a beer making 'air quotes' (think Doctor Evil but without the attitude) when I say PvP and PvE. We consider almost every activity in EVE to be "PvP". We've touched on this before, the basic example always used is that, you as a pilot doing a mission for an agent ties into a lot of elements where you are competing with other players. "PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale. You're competing in price and supply. I hope would once and for all end the requirement of Pew Pew in Eve play... But to the future (including that which is already here)... I like the LP Store, I think it's a huge step forward for those of us that run missions... and that access can be filtered to show as much or as little as you want is another step in the right direction. Mission Sharing... Of the new features, I think I would number this as one of the best... also one that can be exploited... For a long time, some combat skills or great care has been needed to try to raise the standing of the Insdustrial Characters, they need that standing to lower tax among other things, but had a problem doing the missions... now, a Combat Character/Mission Runner can share LP with the idustrialist, as they have shared the loot drops all along (my industrialist can reprocess and refine with no loss but for taxes, my combat pilot can avoid taxes, but not waste) now, both can benifit... but it has the potential being exploited... selling LP and standing... sort of like selling "Levels" in Wow... but we will cross that bridge when we get to it... None of us is as dumb as all of us...
Mari Onette	Posted - 2007.06.25 22:45:00 - [5] I'd like to see improvements in the viability of single players in PVP. I also want a jovian mothership, and a jovian slave to run the whole thing for me. /pretty please ccp?
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.06.25 23:05:00 - [6] Edited by: Richard Aiel on 25/06/2007 23:07:35 Originally by: Derovius Vaden blah blah blah...noob. how constructive post with main kthx ======================================== "The environment plays a big part but EVE is a "PvP" game." Oveur (Its not a MMORPG after all - I sent Oveur a email to update the main page)
Corwain Gallente Zero Team	Posted - 2007.06.25 23:16:00 - [7] Originally by: Mari Onette I'd like to see improvements in the viability of single players in PVP. This. That insane tanking boost really screwed over us solo PvPers. I mean, sure we were laying it all on the line risking our expensive PvP ships heading into alliance territory to harass them, but now...whew! Almost every ship can be tanked to the point that it takes two gank ships of the same shipclass to take them down AT LEAST. If you'd have told me that you could get a tank better than faction for only a little over the price of T2, and then make it ever MORE effective by upgrading to actual faction I'd have asked if you were talking about T3. I wouldn't have belived it! Ah well, times change. Don't get me wrong, I love EVE, there's lots of other stuff to do besides take an insanely fun suicide trip right into hostile space. I just miss it.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.25 23:19:00 - [8] why would we want to encourage solo play? It ISNT supposed to be a solo game Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon!
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.06.25 23:22:00 - [9] What exactly are you wanting to discuss? This? Slowly involves the "PvE" player in more "PvP" EVE activity. Something from that blog has you worked up... what is it? I think you'll find people more able to discuss things if you take a stance on whatever it is. Risk the flames about your opinion of things or leave it vague and get nothing substantial in return. ------------------- WE'RE SORRY, SOMETHING HAPPENED
Lavinrac Krad	Posted - 2007.06.25 23:33:00 - [10] Edited by: Lavinrac Krad on 25/06/2007 23:32:30 The only thing I have to say about the blog is: I wish they were saying they want to make mineral production more exclusive to miners... That is all I have to say about it... Personally my belief is a good MMORPG is made up of solo content, small group content, large group content, and nudity. They are just adding more large group content... ---- Why donÆt you show us on the dolly where the bad miner touched you. -Thesas
alexreborn	Posted - 2007.06.25 23:45:00 - [11] Edited by: alexreborn on 25/06/2007 23:44:22 who cares EVe is going down the drain anyway. they cant fix simple problems with the payment option, how are they going to fix other more complex bugs? on top of that, the lag is crazy in any system with over 70 people in it. super capital ships ruin the game blobs ruin the game. super high learning curve is not very attractive. hmm very very crappy customer support.. it seems that most GM's fail to understand that you are a paying customer and not their friend. Most GMs seem very condescending in their replies to your petitions, which in most cases take ages..... no phone number to call.. its all web based off of a crappy website. what else is there to complain about?
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.25 23:46:00 - [12] can I complain that the lag is keeping people from sending me their stuff? Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon!
English Teacher	Posted - 2007.06.26 00:10:00 - [13] Originally by: Na'Kunni I'll be honest I..... Don't give..... a monkeys ú$%"%ks... If you don't care, why bother saying anything? Are you really so pathetic that you feel the need to be involved even when you claim not to care? Christ.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.26 00:27:00 - [14] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 26/06/2007 00:27:38 What i would like to see, is for EVE to become more of a space simulator then a wargame extravaganza(pewpew oriented). More stuff to do(walk in stations is a great addition to this), more non aggressive ways to spend time, planets, moons, cities. In general i guess more "roleplay" content(that many call "fluff"), but also more jobs to do in non-aggression. Also on the other hand, i'd like to see more ship classes and pew pew professions. BAttles are in many way lacking from the classic "everyone has their job" in the battlefront. Yes yes, "Go fight in a big fleet battle and then say that". I know a bit, but it could be better still. Medic ships, bounty hunters, recovery ships, fuelling ships, ammunition runners and many more. Larger, better, harder. EVEer So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.06.26 00:29:00 - [15] * As per the changes... The need for speed initiative was IMHO successful for some things. When I was a noob, I had to wait a long time before being able to do anything. It was boring. Some friends that started the game with me, could not bear the boredom and quited. Now the noob waiting time is not that bad. Gee you can even make a starter character with gunnery V . * As per the idea of having more fun for the solo player... There is a thread going on OOP. Not flame free I'm afraid. In short: There's still a big ammount of players that for whatever the reason, are playing solo atm. The reasons for it, some are valid, some are not. But regardless, they are solo atm and they are bored. * From the dev blog... When it says "*PvP isn't only direct person to person combat"... I only wish the flamers/trolls could get that inside their heads. But they won't quote Oveur on that one. When it says "Slowly* involves the PvE player in more PvP EVE activity."... Since he defined PvP in such a way (look above), I don't know what he's talking about. Was he talking about combat this time?
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.06.26 00:40:00 - [16] Originally by: Roy Batty68 What exactly are you wanting to discuss? This? Slowly involves the "PvE" player in more "PvP" EVE activity. Something from that blog has you worked up... what is it? I think you'll find people more able to discuss things if you take a stance on whatever it is. Risk the flames about your opinion of things or leave it vague and get nothing substantial in return. No actually im looking to talk about "the future of eve" read the title it sez it all... My sig has nothing to do with this Im ACTUALLY looking to have a discussion about this, not (as I said before) troll, not for flamebait IM TRYING NOT to take a stance on this specifically because I want to see what the community has to say about this stuff. Yes the dev blog is 4 months old but thats almost the last time someone actually posted in it too. Its great to say theres a dev blog here to talk about this but if noone cares about this blog, then it never gets discussed. AND yes, in the past, Ive used that particular quote to justify my anger about the new changes, but THIS time im looking for the COMMUNITY's view on these changes, not to spread what I think about them. ======================================== "The environment plays a big part but EVE is a "PvP" game." Oveur (Its not a MMORPG after all - I sent Oveur a email to update the main page)
Haxa Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.06.26 00:44:00 - [17] TBH after this patch i see a brighter future for the economy of EvE. 4 weeks if this was posted i would have said i expect cruisers costing 20mil in 6months cause of the inflation. But now with the LP stores, that creates a major isk sink which will stablize the economy
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.06.26 02:19:00 - [18] Originally by: Haxa TBH after this patch i see a brighter future for the economy of EvE. 4 weeks if this was posted i would have said i expect cruisers costing 20mil in 6months cause of the inflation. But now with the LP stores, that creates a major isk sink which will stablize the economy Inflation usually makes prices go up cause of the worthlesness of the currency... thats why for a while a loaf of bread in USSR cost like 5000 of their "dollars" What Ive seen since Rev came out is the steady decline of prices not incline. Around Febuary, Rig prices were in the hundreds of millions, now theyre in the tens. ======================================== "The environment plays a big part but EVE is a "PvP" game." Oveur (Its not a MMORPG after all - I sent Oveur a email to update the main page)
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.06.26 06:46:00 - [19] I cant believe that with the no less than 3 threads about how this game is getting too easy that noone else has anything to say about this new stuff ======================================== I am Jack's complete and utter lack of surprise. http://www.projectvisitor.com/ FTW
Kentucky Smith Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.06.26 12:43:00 - [20] Long run i see eve loosing fan base. I have been playing over 4 yrs and aa lot of new stuff has been added its mostly very boring stuff which doesnt work. Been debating leaving this fall as "pirates of the burning sea" is released. I'll delete my billions with my character "sorry u cant have my stuff". I read a mission run down from one of there POTBS and I have posted a need for ccp to incorperate more puzzle content into there game but it never happens. In POTBS mission run down u have to steal something from the captain of a paticular pirate group that will allow you to mingle amoung the normal crew to complete the mission. This is more of a puzzle challenge but in eve its just blow blow blow this up ect ect ect same soup different bowl. After 4 yrs this game is really starting to bore me sorry. PVP is fun and I know you need to hurt when you take a lose but 2 weeks work making the cash to replace a lose is rediculous. (let the trolls, smack, and verbal abuse begin)!
Logi3 Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.26 12:57:00 - [21] Not sure, but i dont think its good. Lag is ever present in alot of systems and they seem to just bypass fixing anything to add new content. This will only keep people happy for so long. Large battles are a drag. Its who ever can get through the lag first to warp out and in to aviod Titan DD's and get back to the Titan to decloak it before it can bugger off
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.06.26 13:38:00 - [22] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 26/06/2007 13:38:11 Its dangerous to be alive, because eventually you will die. So is the situation with EVE. The question is when. So far EVE is growing, and I cant see any reason that this should change the next few years. So the future of EVE is prospering, untill ofcource the day it dies. Any specualation will be just... specualtion. And specualtion is just garbage. Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
Captain Powers	Posted - 2007.06.26 15:11:00 - [23] Game play in this game is becoming more and more limited. Variety in what you could do is being removed by whiners ( The hardcore players actually ). Also, the server hardware/software is showing that it can not keep up with server load as the population grows. Most MMO's have a zone where players come to meet to sell/trade/gossip. Jita has become that. It's rather natural that players try to come together to socialize. But the game design ( for a lack of a better term or lack of design ) can't handle it. Hardcore's say ban it but it's human nature that they are trying to stop. It's an MMO, you might as well hold your breathe. Fleet battles a couple years were actually playable with lots of drones. Space mines are an example where the feature had to be removed due to lag design issues ( and later exploited ). The number of drones a ship could control is slashed to a fraction. Zones such as Motsu have lag so bad where it takes 20 to 30 seconds to reload guns/missiles that should only take 10 seconds. Yet that is where the highest quality lvl 4 command mission agent is located at. Don't flame the players that follow content that CCP designed that way, flame CCP. This is my main point. CCP is trying to design a game that doesn't deliver in the long run. Noobs were intended as the lowest in the supply chain that PvP'ers could feed off of. But CCP is removing content that allowed Noobs an hour or two to gain anything. Rats use EW and now use capital ships. Mining is just a fraction the reward it formerly was. Missions take longer now to run and add in time to salvage and it's even longer. Noobs usually play the average of 20 hours per week or less. CCP and whiners are removing content that allowed them to do that. Plus add the fact that the game couldn't handle success is the biggest cruel joke. If the player base double or tripled in a month, the game would be on it's knees and maybe kissing the mat. Wow, great design CCP. First time I've ever heard of a company that couldn't handle being a success. Bah, time to see another video of an employee getting drunk and maybe puking on the street outside of a pub. Yeah, I'm flaming now. The game was awesome years ago. But now I feel like a player in a wild west game where the sheriff can watch the average citizen get shot, the wife ( blanked ) and the outlaws get their guns removed by the sheriff, tells them to not be bad. Then the Mayor of the city comes up, gives them coins to repay for what the sheriff took from them. Yeah, that's a place everyone wants to be... Come on CCP, design the game to work as intented. Stop the removing EW, NOS, Drones, etc that allowed the game to be played in ohhh so many different ways. Asking for the game to be realistic, is a pipe dream but stop this moving to making the game into everyone is the same and it's the number of players, not the knowledge of the players that make the difference. I enjoy the fact that could be used. If not, let's just make everyone step back 10 paces, turn around and the one with the fastest trigger finger wins. Oops, that's what it's becoming.
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.06.26 17:30:00 - [24] Originally by: Kentucky Smith Long run i see eve loosing fan base. I have been playing over 4 yrs and aa lot of new stuff has been added its mostly very boring stuff which doesnt work. Been debating leaving this fall as "pirates of the burning sea" is released. I'll delete my billions with my character "sorry u cant have my stuff". I read a mission run down from one of there POTBS and I have posted a need for ccp to incorperate more puzzle content into there game but it never happens. In POTBS mission run down u have to steal something from the captain of a paticular pirate group that will allow you to mingle amoung the normal crew to complete the mission. This is more of a puzzle challenge but in eve its just blow blow blow this up ect ect ect same soup different bowl. After 4 yrs this game is really starting to bore me sorry. PVP is fun and I know you need to hurt when you take a lose but 2 weeks work making the cash to replace a lose is rediculous. (let the trolls, smack, and verbal abuse begin)! Yes BUT POTBS has been bought by SOE Sorry fer yer luck ======================================== I am Jack's complete and utter lack of surprise. The Threadkiller
Kilana Omni State War Academy	Posted - 2007.06.26 17:58:00 - [25] Eve Online is a remarkable achievement. Its progenitors started with nothing but a hope and a dream and look at Eve and its community today! If players are concerned enough to ask these questions as the OP has done it suggests they still care about the game, which leads me to believe the future is bright indeed.
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.06.26 18:18:00 - [26] Originally by: Kilana Omni Eve Online is a remarkable achievement. Its progenitors started with nothing but a hope and a dream and look at Eve and its community today! If players are concerned enough to ask these questions as the OP has done it suggests they still care about the game, which leads me to believe the future is bright indeed. True... If I didnt care about this game, Id cancel ande leave (and take my stuff with me) BUT I DO So I ask questions like this, not to troll, BUT BECAUSE I HONESTLY WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWER Yah... I know I "troll (IE disagree with CCP, BoB, fanbois of CCP)" alot... but Im actually concerned about this game because at the end of the day, im still staying up till 6 am playing it. ======================================== I am Jack's complete and utter lack of surprise. The Threadkiller
Pilok Shitfly Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.26 18:40:00 - [27] Originally by: Captain Powers Zones such as Motsu have lag so bad where it takes 20 to 30 seconds to reload guns/missiles that should only take 10 seconds. Yet that is where the highest quality lvl 4 command mission agent is located at. Don't flame the players that follow content that CCP designed that way, flame CCP. Is there only 1 q 20 command mission agent in that region? Why don't people change to a q19 agent if they hate the lag so much, it's not a big difference in money and standing, but it's more fun to play with less lag.
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.06.26 18:46:00 - [28] Originally by: Pilok **fly Originally by: Captain Powers Zones such as Motsu have lag so bad where it takes 20 to 30 seconds to reload guns/missiles that should only take 10 seconds. Yet that is where the highest quality lvl 4 command mission agent is located at. Don't flame the players that follow content that CCP designed that way, flame CCP. Is there only 1 q 20 command mission agent in that region? Why don't people change to a q19 agent if they hate the lag so much, it's not a big difference in money and standing, but it's more fun to play with less lag. I think the point being made is you shouldne HAVE to do that... ======================================== I am Jack's complete and utter lack of surprise. The Threadkiller
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.06.26 18:47:00 - [29] The future looks bright. Eve is becoming so advanced, good looking and interesting that it will soon need its own category next to the usual hack & slash mmorpg's out there. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.26 18:56:00 - [30] The future's bright. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.

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