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A BS is not and never can be a 'Mining ship' no matter how many Miner2s it has fitted.

Anyone who disagrees should remember what BS stands for.

I personally am all for making Miner2s un*****ble on BSs, or heavily penalizing them.

M0o Own FA. IF you still claim that all m0os kills have been "defenceless miners" then this implys 98% of FA is defenceless miners. In which case, hahahahaha.

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It would seem that Moos bs on the forums, pertaining to their apparent conquest of Fountain, as they have enlisted FE as re enforcements.

Tut tut FE, I spose you think we are next.

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lmao Morkt :D

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I never thought I would get sick of flamefests on the forums, but for ****s sake, shut up and let us playing the ******* game.

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lmao Morkt :D

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Love your signature *smiles*

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Well, for certain, Halseth and his in-corp pirate advisors thought you'd be joining them next

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I know, you should put up a buy order.

CA is at war with everyone else so what else is new? Fact remain that Sinister is doing very little to be seen as a non-pirate corporation by constantly riding the M0o bandwagon.

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Edited by: Nitro G on 19/01/2004 07:53:51
The only way ur killin me is if ya blow up the billboard with my pic on it =)

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I think he's saying halseth that you and oberon have gone pirate, but doesnt have the balls nor proof to back it up. Shame really as we havnt.

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NVA is no more, so that means we killed it!

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NVA is no more, so that means we killed it!

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Sorry mate, we killed it, dont get big headed.

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I am pieman, Prince of Venal and defender of the secrets of Y-4CFK. This is my kestrel, my fearless frigate, fabulous secret powers were revealed to me the day i held aloft ragnars magic hat and said...BY THE POWER OF RAGNER!!
I HAVE DA POWA!!! My kestrel became a mighty scorpion and i became RAGNAR-PIEMAN THE MOST POWERFULL MAN IN EVE. only 3 others share this secret. our friends KIAInkZ, Robeyone and KIAEddZ. together we defend Y-4CFK from the evil forces of FE

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I don't think that FE, m0o or c0w actually wants to do anything but to shoot ships. If the FA want's to prevail, just as the NVA. All they have to do is to ignore them.

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Tut tut FE, I spose you think we are next.

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Gate camping must be fun then ;D

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Well moderatly old thread got bumped, let it sit a while to see if it was going anywhere... it isn't so im gonna put this old dog down

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I never thought I would get sick of flamefests on the forums, but for ****s sake, shut up and let us playing the ******* game.

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A BS is not and never can be a 'Mining ship' no matter how many Miner2s it has fitted.

Anyone who disagrees should remember what BS stands for.

I personally am all for making Miner2s un*****ble on BSs, or heavily penalizing them.

M0o Own FA. IF you still claim that all m0os kills have been "defenceless miners" then this implys 98% of FA is defenceless miners. In which case, hahahahaha.

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You are not next, you had your chance but decided to log-off so your Jade C. boredom tactic worked.

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Actually I am bored as hell from the moo invasion. All they do is sit in a safe spot, play in chaos, and then send fountain goddess all over the map looking for a lone target to kill.

Dying of boredom is the most terrible thing they are inflicting on us right now.

Seriously...I'd rather mine scordite till I'm blind than fight m00, it sucks that much.

Those 127 ship kills you see are basically Fountain Godddess, l33t Spy, and other scout frigates.

Otherwise, its hours upon hours of boredom, knowing that m00 will only strike when they have overwhelming force.

If the game had a way to determine where their forces were in their little safe spots or behind grids, we would have kicked their ass out of fountain eons ago. Perhaps that particular aspect of the game mechanics needs to change, because the advantage is always with the attacker, regardless of numbers.

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My expert opinion is that I've put 50+ hours patrolling FA while you guys sat in system.

I've experienced 4 battles in that time, thats it. BORING.

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Actually I am bored as hell from the moo invasion. All they do is sit in a safe spot, play in chaos, and then send fountain goddess all over the map looking for a lone target to kill.

Dying of boredom is the most terrible thing they are inflicting on us right now.

Seriously...I'd rather mine scordite till I'm blind than fight m00, it sucks that much.

Those 127 ship kills you see are basically Fountain Godddess, l33t Spy, and other scout frigates.

Otherwise, its hours upon hours of boredom, knowing that m00 will only strike when they have overwhelming force.

If the game had a way to determine where their forces were in their little safe spots or behind grids, we would have kicked their ass out of fountain eons ago. Perhaps that particular aspect of the game mechanics needs to change, because the advantage is always with the attacker, regardless of numbers.

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as for you Miz... *sigh* I am not here to get into a flame war, if you want to start one, you may as well write it to yourself, because I am not listening.

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oh boy...

I am for real, thanks for your input however.

Whats wrong with the scanner idea? Well its just an idea to bring a little less lameness into the game. I feel that if one side has military superiority, they should be able to effectively kick out whomever, otherwise, we both have to resort to the same lame tactics that have permeated the entire duration of this so called invasion. If I remember correctly, one of m00's reasons came in to effectively demonstrate that nobody can control any region.

How CCP could do code something to that effect I dont know. Player owned stations is probably a great start however.

as for you Miz... *sigh* I am not here to get into a flame war, if you want to start one, you may as well write it to yourself, because I am not listening.

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oh boy...

I am for real, thanks for your input however.

Whats wrong with the scanner idea? Well its just an idea to bring a little less lameness into the game. I feel that if one side has military superiority, they should be able to effectively kick out whomever, otherwise, we both have to resort to the same lame tactics that have permeated the entire duration of this so called invasion. If I remember correctly, one of m00's reasons came in to effectively demonstrate that nobody can control any region.

How CCP could do code something to that effect I dont know. Player owned stations is probably a great start however.

as for you Miz... *sigh* I am not here to get into a flame war, if you want to start one, you may as well write it to yourself, because I am not listening.

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So what you want is that if one group has 50 battleships and the other 49 then those 49 are either forced to leave by game mechanics or thier ships will just explode as soon as they jump to the system?

Sometimes invading forces have more peaple online, does that mean all FA forces should be forced to undock or leave the region?

This is EVE, PVP is based on tactics, not numbers.

I used an alt and made a corp with few of my friends and declared war on Dark Empire (about 157 members at the time) many months ago, we attacked them in Penirgman and keept on attacking until they were forced to relocate to a new home system, sure we lost few cruisers but killed alot with hit and run tactics so we basicly won the war, they were forced to move and my old corp Tycho heavy got a bigger share of the market in Domain.

According to your theory we would never had been able to declare the war and would never have been able to attack them, because they had more ships every time.

Thus wars are useless since you will loose if you dont have more numbers than your enemy.

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I guess you guys dont see my point I am trying to make here, I just think if there was some sort of a change to the gameplay mechanics, alot of the "Lame" tactics would not have to happen on both sides and perhaps the flames on the boards could die down a bit.

Say for instance, a long range scanner service in the station for the group who has military superiority which details exactly where an armada is, it would discourage logging, and the guerilla tactics. Let's say the scanner only works on large objects like battleships.

It would make the "ownership" of the regions a little more realistic rather than the guerilla war it has become between both sides currently.

It would put the "Fleet" back into fleet battles.

my .02 isk

Otherwise in the fights I've been a part of, they are totally awesome whether we win or lose, its just the 60 hours of stark terrorizing boredom that I can't stand...

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You can use tactics and bring an alliance which taught it was unbreakable only a week before to its knees.crusiers and frigs been able to take out BS. Where tactics can win a battle or war not just numbers.

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...there's over half a day of idle waiting between any engagement of importance. This isn't due to any of the parties involved being more or less "chicken", "cowards", "uber" or "l33t", but more due to the fact that finding eachother is close to impossible

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The problem of not been able to find someone at a safe spot is been addressed, Tomb has already told us that he is bringing a recon frigate class ship in that will have the ability. but It aint going top change much imo, if the recon warps in, gank it and warp elsewhere, by the time the fleet gets to you, you will be at another location.

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The problem seems to be one of CONTROL ("influence", "manipulate", "dominate", "oppress", "have a hold over") or lack thereof. Thus, no need to cry foul or blame game mechanics in that department.

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The problem of not been able to find someone at a safe spot is been addressed, Tomb has already told us that he is bringing a recon frigate class ship in that will have the ability. but It aint going top change much imo, if the recon warps in, gank it and warp elsewhere, by the time the fleet gets to you, you will be at another location.

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I agree, it remains to be seen wether this will be useful at all, but at least it's a step in the right direction. Removing the very concept of being secure in hostile space (wether you're attacker or defender) can only add to the dynamics of EVE warfare - i can't wait :-)

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This is EVE, PVP is based on tactics, not numbers.

I used an alt and made a corp with few of my friends and declared war on Dark Empire (about 157 members at the time) many months ago, we attacked them in Penirgman and keept on attacking until they were forced to relocate to a new home system, sure we lost few cruisers but killed alot with hit and run tactics so we basicly won the war, they were forced to move and my old corp Tycho heavy got a bigger share of the market in Domain.

According to your theory we would never had been able to declare the war and would never have been able to attack them, because they had more ships every time.

Thus wars are useless since you will loose if you dont have more numbers than your enemy.

Think it through.

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SAFE SPOTS SUCK! They need to make a safe spot finder frigate. :/

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NVA is no more, so that means we killed it!

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Sorry mate, we killed it, dont get big headed.

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