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Jack Target
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:45:00 -
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I'm new at this game, but looking at EVEMon battleships look more impressive than command ships (except for speed). Paradoxically, I think it takes longer to train for command ships. 
However, which is best for PvP? What's your favourate ship?
(At the moment, I'm tempted by the Sleipnir because it's fast and so might be able to get out of trouble quick! But persaude me otherwise by all means.)
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MyOwnSling
Gallente
RONA Corporation
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:35:00 -
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That is a very broad question, and as such there is no absolute "best" for pvp. It depends on what you want to accomplish. No ship can fulfill every role there is in pvp. Do you want a solo ship? Gang assist platform? Tackler? You need to be a lot more specific.
Command ships have better mobility and, in some cases (eos) more utility than some battleships. For all-out sheer damage, battleships tend to be a better choice (aside from maybe the astarte, that thing is a monster). Command ships, especially fleet command, can fit gang assist mods, very useful in some larger gangs. Battleships generally also have better tanks (always exceptions to this), at least they can last longer in some fights because of a larger hp buffer.
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:41:00 -
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A battleship is still the most flexible combat ship availiable. It can be setup to kill any other support ship with relative ease.
Command ships are great and can kill BS without too much trouble but with narrower scope in setup.
Thats how I see it anyway.
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Red Harvest
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Posted - 2007.06.27 02:34:00 -
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Command ships are awesome with good to very good skills and give a nasty extra edge to gangs if they are used with command links.
Solo they are outperformed by BSs at same level of skills but in gangs you really want to have a command ship with links in a leadership position.
For starters go for a BS to PvP!
They are cheaper to buy and to fit plus their insurence payout is better when you die (really it is only a matter of time no matter how good you are).
When you really know what you are doing and have a good team for/to support get a CS and have fun with it.
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.06.27 03:14:00 -
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If you're sniping in fleet, go with a BS. In pretty much any other situation, you want a Command Ship. They're always better than BSes unless the targets are out of range of medium guns.
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VJ Maverick
Caldari
Maverick Specialized Services
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Posted - 2007.06.27 04:28:00 -
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The Sleipnir can outrun anything it can't kill and there isn't much that it can't kill.
Originally by: Marquis Dean
As with most threads in Ships & Mods, it ended up with Ryysa yelling at everyone.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.27 05:26:00 -
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Command ships generally have better tanks as BSs, but less firepower and usually at smaller range.
So, in a smaller sized combat, CSs are the way to go.
In huge blobs, damage output and range you can deal that damage to is paramount, so go with a BS.
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Jack Target
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.06.27 05:37:00 -
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Thank you all very much. Good answers everyone!
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.27 05:55:00 -
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Two different tools for two different jobs.
Command ships can't stand up to a BS in a fight. Nothing can except another BS. Eos vs. Blasterthron? Eos gets crushed. Same goes with the other command ships- Sleipnir vs Maelstrom etc.
CS have fast lock (compared to BS), medium sized guns with better tracking and sig res, more mobility, faster warping. But BS have everything else. For fast moving 0.0 gangs, I'd go with a CS. For big heavy fights, go with a BS.
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Methios
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:07:00 -
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Actualy they sleipnir should win from a mael
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Nick Parker
Caldari
Rogue Elements
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Command ships can't stand up to a BS in a fight. Nothing can except another BS. Eos vs. Blasterthron? Eos gets crushed. Same goes with the other command ships- Sleipnir vs Maelstrom etc.
Not entirely true. Properly setup Commands can stand up to BS and kill them. Granted a nos heavy ship will beat you, unless you play it smart. I've had a active tanked nighthawk hold up to a hyperion. And my sleipnir has laughed at every single amarr BS it fought. But note what I said... a nighthawk tanking a hyperion ( Caldari vs Gallente) and a Sleipnir tanking amarr BS (Minmatar vs amarr). Roles reversed, I would have been dust (at least for the NH, the sleipnir I could have orbitted the hyperion and wore it down MAYBE, geddon trumps Nighthawk.)
Use BS if you got a lot of friends with you, use CS when you need mobility and firepower.
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Nian Banks
Minmatar
Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:34:00 -
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Originally by: Methios
Actualy they sleipnir should win from a mael
Ya, I vote for the Sleipnir also.
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Merin Ryskin
FinFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Nick Parker
Use BS if you got a lot of friends with you, use CS when you need mobility and firepower.
Actually, I'd reverse the two: remember we're talking about command ships. They're good for more than just being uber-HACs, fit some command modules with your guns. Multiply those bonuses by the number of ships in your gang, and you can give a pretty considerable advantage. And in the case of the Vulture or Claymore, you can even do it without really giving up any firepower (the Damnation has no firepower in the first place, and the Eos has to lose primary weapons) or tank.
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John Grimm
The Taining corp
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.06.27 08:36:00 -
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In PvP you will loss ships, Aways.
And BS insure well, you loss only a 1/5 of the ships price tag, while a CS you'll loss it period.
The only pure loss in a BS are the fittings and you may recover some if your side wins the battle.
So from all practical and financial points a Battle Ships is aways better.
Originally by: Rawne Karrde
PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
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Snowcrow
Minmatar
Lyonesse.
The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.06.27 11:30:00 -
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Well, the claymore has a payout feom 55mio, so it's insurable.
And an insurable t2 Ships is absolutely great^^
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Oddluck
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Posted - 2007.06.27 11:51:00 -
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How deep are your pockets?
CC has a better tank and if your a turrent user, it has Medium turrents, they give you more flexability against smaller ships then a BS's large turrents would.
I personally use a Absolution with two NOS/injector and 3 reppers. I can get high 80s low 90s on my resists and enough repping power to with stand being called primary by another small gang. I still use 4 pulse and have simular(albeit much shorter range) DPS to a Zelot HAC.
When it pops (and it will ALL pvp ships die someday), i will loose 100s of millions of ISK, some thing i would not have to worry about in a Battleship.
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Mathias Orsen
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Posted - 2007.06.27 11:57:00 -
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Hyperion. Some ships can out run it, some can escape it, some can survive it, but no one ship can kill it.
That's very open for debate though. The pilot alone makes up 50% of a ship, modules make up 40%, the hull counts for a lame 10%.
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zwerg
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.06.27 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Oddluck
stuff...
When it pops (and it will ALL pvp ships die someday), i will loose 100s of millions of ISK, some thing i would not have to worry about in a Battleship.
battleships, especially ships like the megathron are really expensive these days if you fit them nicely  . Most bs pilots i know fit their bs like 250-400mil + and my astarte is only worth 250mil 
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Mathias Orsen
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Posted - 2007.06.27 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Oddluck
CC has a better tank and if your a turrent user, it has Medium turrents, they give you more flexability against smaller ships then a BS's large turrents would.
Turrent??
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.27 12:55:00 -
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BBs are good when you need to use the long knives. No other ship in the game has a good blend of range and firepower when flying in larger fleet combat situations. People may chose to fly command ships in these situations are usually not going survive a protracted engadgment with a BB at 150+ ranges.
In smaller gangs or in roaming style pvp however, CSs prove to be a very good heavy support/dpser, higher mobility combined with medium weponry means you can target and dispatch a greater veriety of targets whereas the BB (with exceptions) would be missing or doing poor damage. In small gang operations, combat is usually from 0 - 30km, these are ranges best suited for the CS.
So if you are going to join a larger alliance and hope to take part in larger fleet operations as something other then a Dictor, Inti, or Capital - best have the BB skills trained up. If you are going to join a smaller corp with more roaming/pirating in mind, then CS is probably better first. Either way, you will train both.
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Miriyana
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.06.27 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mathias Orsen
Originally by: Oddluck
CC has a better tank and if your a turrent user, it has Medium turrents, they give you more flexability against smaller ships then a BS's large turrents would.
Turrent??
LMFAO!!!
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