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Therese Law Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.26 23:03:00 - [1] Okey! I am back, whining about not making the profit i want to make and not seing the easy deals as everyone else seems to se. It seems i am not cut out for the trading profession. I have tryed sitting in Jita, buy/sell small profit items and in the end not making mutch at all. I have tryed to stay away frome jita, work with small areas and both large value items and low value items and in the end not being able to really make the profit i have seen other make. This thread is just a whining thread. I just need some help to get my motivation back. I have so mutch goals, but all goals need isk and i am out of isk :( So how do i make many billions of isk in 6 mounth? :S Seems hopeless... Well i think i¦ll make a new try in jita. If noone here have better ideas to share with me :) (hoping) -- Ofc i am an alt of a shy alliance leader.
Jennai Leonard J. Crabs Legal Consortium	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:03:00 - [2] go to another hub, jita sucks unless you can sit online all day to babysit your orders.
Therese Law Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:27:00 - [3] yes that is probably true... but jita have the trafic and maybe it can be worth it by babysitting my orders when i am online... -- Ofc i am an alt of a shy alliance leader.
Havok Pierce Gallente Black Lance NBSI Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.27 01:38:00 - [4] Not really, as everyone else is babysitting theirs. And then you'll get screwed when you do log off. See if you can't carve out a niche in a quieter system or take advantage of the Jita-elsewhere price differentials.
FastLearner Fury Holdings Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.06.27 01:41:00 - [5] made my first few billion (ignoring GTC sales) from mission-whoring. lvL 4s you can make a fair bit per hour. If you want to make ISK without putting the hours in then good luck - and I'd love to know how you did it if you succeed.
Jonny 101 The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen	Posted - 2007.06.27 03:03:00 - [6] Originally by: FastLearner made my first few billion (ignoring GTC sales) from mission-whoring. lvL 4s you can make a fair bit per hour. If you want to make ISK without putting the hours in then good luck - and I'd love to know how you did it if you succeed. I do it, many others do it, but we're not gonna tell you how I have a relaxing job in eve, it involves spotting where money can be made, baby sitting that chance for 1-15 minutes and walking away with one, or more billions of ISK. Keep your eyes open, think outside the box and be creative, if you can't accomplish this, then level 4's in high sec is where it's at for you. ------------------------------------------------ crash003 > 400k more lp and ill have a navy mega TheJacko > 400k lol TheJacko > ineed 250k The hidden face of turby
IonHammer Minmatar Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.27 03:09:00 - [7] Edited by: IonHammer on 27/06/2007 03:09:21 makes u wonder if theres a market macro out there doesn't it. I am amazed how fast someone reposnds to my low bid on occaision and the buy orders at 10-15 % below sells indicates people are working hard at reselling. If thats your real life i'm very jealous - Petwraith
Jonny 101 The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen	Posted - 2007.06.27 03:58:00 - [8] Originally by: IonHammer Edited by: IonHammer on 27/06/2007 03:09:21 makes u wonder if theres a market macro out there doesn't it. I am amazed how fast someone reposnds to my low bid on occaision and the buy orders at 10-15 % below sells indicates people are working hard at reselling. Actually i'm sure there are alot of people who really grind this, could be farmers tbh, they are people too and they learn their games fast. ------------------------------------------------ crash003 > 400k more lp and ill have a navy mega TheJacko > 400k lol TheJacko > ineed 250k The hidden face of turby
Therese Law Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.27 04:13:00 - [9] wow statments like that makes me really sad i must be both dumb and blind... i never se these amazing deals, short run or long run and things dont get better when i suck at missions aswell and that is the reason i am turning to trading and give it so many tryes. i guess this is why i always end back in the forum. "whining" about all this and wonder what i do wrong and what everyone els is doing right... i guess a few tips would be awesome, privatly or public... dont really care. just want to get started and for once actually make something work as i had thought. read som many "guides" and tryed so many ideas and types of things. so a little help pls -- Ofc i am an alt of a shy alliance leader.
Hexxx Minmatar ironwood ink The Sundering	Posted - 2007.06.27 05:07:00 - [10] Here are some rules for successful trading: 1. Time is money. 2. Diversify, Diversify, Diversify! Dear sweet God, diversify! 3. Pay attention to the volume of trade for that item in that region. 4. Is it really worth hauling that crap 10 jumps for an extra 500k of profit? Really? Seriously? 5. Supply and Demand. Read this line 3 times. Hexxx LLP - Business Consulting Services - IPO's, Business Plans, Share/Stock Pricing, and general Consulting.
mr bighelmet EnTech Pax Familia	Posted - 2007.06.27 08:13:00 - [11] there are those that can identify the small margin and drive big proffit from those, there are those that know when to buy stuff and when to sell stuff. Those look kind of hard to me so i focus on hub trades, i search up a few hubs find the difrance in certain items and fill it up ASAP. If i post something smart it represent my corp and alliance all other posts are my feeling/ideas only and do not represnt the rest
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2007.06.27 11:54:00 - [12] Originally by: Hexxx Here are some rules for successful trading: 1. Time is money. 2. Diversify, Diversify, Diversify! Dear sweet God, diversify! 3. Pay attention to the volume of trade for that item in that region. 4. Is it really worth hauling that crap 10 jumps for an extra 500k of profit? Really? Seriously? 5. Supply and Demand. Read this line 3 times. I would also like to point out that a fair share of us seasoned traders have a hard time admitting that many of our lucrative deals are just happenstance... being in the right place at the right time by pure chance, luck, or guess on our part. Obviously not directed at you Hexxx, just wanted to add that in there. I'm not above admitting that my first few billion deal was made on a whim by guessing what the devs would do on a future patch.
Le Bon Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 13:00:00 - [13] Edited by: Le Bon on 27/06/2007 13:00:24 Originally by: Jonny 101 Originally by: FastLearner made my first few billion (ignoring GTC sales) from mission-whoring. lvL 4s you can make a fair bit per hour. If you want to make ISK without putting the hours in then good luck - and I'd love to know how you did it if you succeed. I do it, many others do it, but we're not gonna tell you how I have a relaxing job in eve, it involves spotting where money can be made, baby sitting that chance for 1-15 minutes and walking away with one, or more billions of ISK. Keep your eyes open, think outside the box and be creative, if you can't accomplish this, then level 4's in high sec is where it's at for you. Signed -Kirkland
Zarabelle	Posted - 2007.06.27 13:30:00 - [14] Bear in mind because of the secretive nature of trade in general it's very easy for people to say "yeh, I login, 20mins, I'm done, another several bills in wallet, cheers", so ignore them. Dont sweat it; forget what other people do, gain knowledge, learn the market, make notes, and start small to cut risk of losses and gain experience. Patience is key.
Lyta Raven Gallente Micro Credit Merchant Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:28:00 - [15] Edited by: Lyta Raven on 27/06/2007 14:28:47 It really isnt all that hard and you don't need to be on the job 24/7 to make a decent profit. Just select a few handfull of items you want to focus on. Study the market, learn their price-curves, set buy-orders (small quantities, cause you dont want to be hit by the hammer and go bankrupt if prices collapse), set some sell-orders and monitor them, adjusting when necessary. Don't expect to make billions a month (at leas I'm not) but with some dedication and a reasonable starting capital (few hundred mill) you should be able to make anywhere between 100 and 250 mill profit per month. In the mean time you can do missions and make some extra isk. In a Drake/Raven you can even do missions and work on your buy/sell orders at the same time (providing the skills ofc)
Daerkannon Shimmerscale Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:49:00 - [16] I'd also like to add to the conversation that ISK makes more ISK. Getting your first billion is the hardest part. Many of these opportunities that crop up can only be taken advantage of by someone with enough capital. I made my first couple billions realizing that my mechanical engineering datacores were worth more on the market than any crappy T2 bpo I was likely to get by the end of the lottery. Since then I've diversified and have a steady income of a few hundred million a week. I'm sure that there are traders here that do much better, but it makes enough for me at the moment. --- Honest officer, the dwarf was on fire when I got here! Can't find a mechanical engineering agent? Need a non-Caldari Navy agent? http://www.eve-agents.com/ for all your agent needs!
Pang Grohl Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:24:00 - [17] There are no big secrets to trading successfully in EVE. There are a few things to keep in mind about EVE though. 1. When you start, you have to start small in order to get the initial successes needed for building your future. 2. Where you are matters a great deal in whatever you are doing. 3. Having specific and intermediate goals will make even the smallest steps forward worth accomplishing as long as it moves you towards one of your goals. 4. An ISK saved is an ISK you don't have to earn elsewhere. Si non adjuvas, noces (If you're not helping, you're hurting)
350125GO White Nova Industries Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:41:00 - [18] Here's a hint. Find the systems that are major entryways/jump points to 0.0, study the market and fill it with t2 gear, pos fuel, and carrier/dread fuel. You can buy in jita and move elsewhere with a nice markup. These systems are always short of goods, and the runs to them are usually done quickly, so people will pay a moderate markup to not have to move 5-10 jumps to get what they need.
Redbad Minmatar Tempered Steel Legion	Posted - 2007.06.29 11:04:00 - [19] You can babysit your sellorders all day, you can put your spyglasses on to scrutinize for that opportunity of a EVE-lifetime, you can haul your ass in NPC-goods all over New Eden, but: It will never be as profitable as good contacts for which you can provide. Get out there and meet people, get a good laugh with them, provide their needs, reel in their ISK. RB join us today!
Confuzer PBA Corporation The Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.06.29 11:27:00 - [20] I have some traderoutes with item margings going up to 2000%... I will NEVER tell them to anyone until I get so rich I can buy BoB :P Don't be lazy, just investigate for yourself... ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
Daeva Vios Ardent Adversary Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.06.29 11:30:00 - [21] Edited by: Daeva Vios on 29/06/2007 11:28:58 Originally by: Kazzac Elentria I would also like to point out that a fair share of us seasoned traders have a hard time admitting that many of our lucrative deals are just happenstance... being in the right place at the right time by pure chance, luck, or guess on our part. Obviously not directed at you Hexxx, just wanted to add that in there. I'm not above admitting that my first few billion deal was made on a whim by guessing what the devs would do on a future patch. QFT. This is how I got my first major break, as well...though I will hasten to add, it's part luck, part recognizing market trends and knowing your area. Moving goods around is all fine and dandy, and I've heard a lot of traders say they make their money that way. More power to 'em. I can't afford the time for that sort of stuff. I also can't babysit my orders all day long (except on my weekends). I'd say you should take the advice offered here and move out of Jita. Jits is for people who can afford to play "who can adjust for .01 isk every five minutes" the longest.
Moha Mend	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:28:00 - [22] I don't have a good advice to make isk, I play for more than a year and never profit. I have an advice on how to play Eve and don't care for profit: 1 - Most of players which had money spend a lot of online hours ratting and running missions (if you don't have money, you probably don't have much time to play, like me). 2 - Money takes money (so the guy sit back and says 'I make billions from trade', but he never said how much billions he spent to make that money) 3 - It is hard to win a game you don't know the rules (And it takes time to know the rules. I myself can't understand more than 20% of Eve. People come and say to me 'trivial' things that I had no idea. Like the common loot for ammar mission is this, the common ammo for caldari missions is that...) 4 - You don't need as much money as you think you do (Don't think about what you want to buy. Decide what you want to do, and then decide what you need to buy to do it) 5 - You have more money than you think (Check prices before buying something. Check again before selling. Check your assets, reorganize them, sell some stuff you don't use -- if you know the fair price, you can buy it back when you need it) 6 - Make isk offline (I don't mean to buy isk -- although I don't see it as a problem -- I mean, while offline, something has to be working for you. Specially if you're offline most of the time. Buy some shares to get dividends, run R&D projects, leave some long buy orders)
Disima Santet Minmatar Aziam	Posted - 2007.06.30 11:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Zarabelle Bear in mind because of the secretive nature of trade in general it's very easy for people to say "yeh, I login, 20mins, I'm done, another several bills in wallet, cheers", so ignore them. Dont sweat it; forget what other people do, gain knowledge, learn the market, make notes, and start small to cut risk of losses and gain experience. Patience is key. QFT There are players who say they make hundreds of millions with each trade as they buy so low and sell so high somehow. Then you see them buy some of your items and try to resell them for price that would make them 10-20 mil profit. Why would they bother with 10 mil when they can make 100 mil per trade as they say?
Jennai The Silent Rage R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.30 12:11:00 - [24] Originally by: 350125GO Here's a hint. Find the systems that are major entryways/jump points to 0.0, study the market and fill it with t2 gear, pos fuel, and carrier/dread fuel. You can buy in jita and move elsewhere with a nice markup. These systems are always short of goods, and the runs to them are usually done quickly, so people will pay a moderate markup to not have to move 5-10 jumps to get what they need. or take that stuff and fly it INTO 0.0 if there's somewhere you can dock and sell. more profit, less competition, and it's not too dangerous if you have a scout. sometimes you can buy minerals in there for really really cheap and sell them at a huge profit in empire. also Zarabelle's portrait looks disturbingly like mine.
Ulrich Sternaxe	Posted - 2007.07.03 10:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Moha Mend 6 - Make isk offline (I don't mean to buy isk -- although I don't see it as a problem -- ... Not to nitpick, but I find it strange that you don't see this as a problem, since it's a violation of the EULA!
Jennai The Silent Rage R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.03 10:44:00 - [26] GTC selling = legal buying of isk
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:15:00 - [27] Interesting point, we should all think about it. The Eve-Online forums may not have invented whining, but they sure have perfected it. Shar Tegral> Well someone please say something quotable for this month!!!!

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