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Sales Merchant	Posted - 2007.06.27 11:06:00 - [1] I have no particular hate against Microsoft but I personally feel they have the world by the balls in terms of their o/s sitting on the majority of ordinary personal computers. I would like to see a serious competitor. Millions of little voices scream "linux!" from thier dark damp hiding places but in all honesty it still regarded as an enthusiast o/s instead of a direct commercial rival to windows on the world scale. Thousands of little voices wimper "macs!" but they are not very good for your average games player. So who will save us from Microsoft? __ "You are not entirely safeà but I can safely say that EVE is going to hurt you until you leave or learn. The world will persist without you." -Tovarishch
Thomas 666 Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.27 11:19:00 - [2] Microsoft or Apple? THE HORROR!
MrTriggerHappy Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.27 11:23:00 - [3] In my opinion your views on linux are somewhat out dated. Recently Dell has started selling some PC's with Ubuntu pre-installed (this is happening in the states, nothing on the UK and europe at the mo). A lot of people have been campaigning for this, and if Dell obviously are doing it, there's an obvious demand for it! More and more governments and companies are starting to use Opensource software, I believe Munich's council recently made the switch to using Linux. Peugot is also converting all their PC's to use Linux. The question isnt "Who will save us" its "When will you save yourself?". I use ubuntu as well as windows, and to be fair.. I much prefer ubuntu. At the end of the day.. its what you can do for yourself, not what others can do for you. Now go try Ubuntu! -------------------------------- My Comments in no way reflect my corp or alliance
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.27 12:00:00 - [4] Linux lacks the appeal of commercial companies, simple because any company that works with target audiences will tell them that Linux isn't a money market. The majority of the Linux users want everything for free. The problem with this is for people like me who really want to see those commercial companies invest in Linux, and make software such as Adobe Premiere, or the CS3-suite available for Linux. But it just won't happen because the market advisors tell them it's a bad call. If you want to work professionally with graphics and multimedia, it's Windows or more likely OSX they focus on. If you want to develop commercial games it's Windows and softwares for this. Even for a lot of consoles. Linux has since it's conception been a very niched system (for lack of a better word). On one hand you have the security and control-freaks who love it for it's adaptability, and depth. On the other hand you have the wannabe's who got ubuntu and now think they're awesome hackers when they spin their desktop around and make it sparkle. The thing that matters for the majority of the consumers is product availability, and Linux users of any of the two above categories can scream their necks blue about how awesome alternatives there are for each application. This will not change this. I will still want to use Adobe Photoshop in my daily creative job, because that's what the people I work with use. Same goes for Premiere, or where I study, Final Cut. Students on our university all use Microsoft Word, and it's not because they prefer it. Some of them even use it in WINE on their linux box, just because it's a standard tool. Maybe some time in the future, possibly. With how poor VISTA looks right now, it actually may happen. But until the software giants of Adobe, etc. bother about it, I won't either. I use one desktop OS. For my servers, that's a whole different thing though. - Recruitment open again-
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.27 12:05:00 - [5] I know I want to... Ubuntu does fine for home computing. With Wine, it plays most of my games just fine. And the home office, web browsing, image editing (etc.) programs are all dandy. The days of it being degree-in-computer-sciences-people only are long past- Ubuntu was easier to install and get running than XP --------
MrTriggerHappy Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.27 12:21:00 - [6] Originally by: Patch86 I know I want to... Ubuntu does fine for home computing. With Wine, it plays most of my games just fine. And the home office, web browsing, image editing (etc.) programs are all dandy. The days of it being degree-in-computer-sciences-people only are long past- Ubuntu was easier to install and get running than XP And 7.04 boots up faster too -------------------------------- My Comments in no way reflect my corp or alliance
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.27 13:20:00 - [7] Originally by: Patch86 [...] With Wine, it plays most of my games just fine. And the home office, web browsing, image editing (etc.) programs are all dandy.[...] It's a pity there still is no workaround to get WINE to run the CS3-renditions. - Recruitment open again-
Frezik Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.27 13:49:00 - [8] At this point, I don't think there will ever be serious competition to Microsoft for desktop operating systems. The reason is that there's no conceivable reason to entice people to switch. If Linux was as easy to install as inserting a CD and turning the system on, and it had 100% application compatibility with Windows, you still couldn't get the majority of the people to use it. To them, it's a hassle that would give them the same practical results that they can get right now with Windows. The only way you could get people to switch over is to give them an application that's so awesome and with such widespread appeal that people are willing to switch. But what sort of killer application could Linux have that couldn't be easily ported to Windows? So I don't think you'll be able to significantly chip away at Microsoft's market share beyond what's already done. Rather, the market will move to something else. IBM was king of the mainframes, and they used to be hated the same way Microsoft is hated now. But when PCs became popular, IBM failed to understand the new market. IBM remains a huge and profitable company (much larger than Microsoft), but we never talk about them anymore as the Big Evil Company. In a similar way, I expect the market to move to a web services model. Microsoft's attempts at that so far have been laughable.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:01:00 - [9] Originally by: Frezik At this point, I don't think there will ever be serious competition to Microsoft for desktop operating systems. The reason is that there's no conceivable reason to entice people to switch. If Linux was as easy to install as inserting a CD and turning the system on, and it had 100% application compatibility with Windows, you still couldn't get the majority of the people to use it. To them, it's a hassle that would give them the same practical results that they can get right now with Windows. Most people don't care. Most people just want to browse the Internet and use their email. And that is why Ubuntu is becoming so popular; it does that extremely well with zero hassle and with no need for any real computer knowledge. It doesn't get viruses, and it doesn't get spyware, and so people are happy. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
Sc0rpion Archer Daniels Midland	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:37:00 - [10] You are a slave. Like everyone else, you were born into bondage. Born into a prison you cannot see or taste or touch. A prison, for your PC. The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously. -Friedrich Nietzsche Killmails are for pooftas.
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:44:00 - [11] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Frezik At this point, I don't think there will ever be serious competition to Microsoft for desktop operating systems. The reason is that there's no conceivable reason to entice people to switch. If Linux was as easy to install as inserting a CD and turning the system on, and it had 100% application compatibility with Windows, you still couldn't get the majority of the people to use it. To them, it's a hassle that would give them the same practical results that they can get right now with Windows. Most people don't care. Most people just want to browse the Internet and use their email. And that is why Ubuntu is becoming so popular; it does that extremely well with zero hassle and with no need for any real computer knowledge. It doesn't get viruses, and it doesn't get spyware, and so people are happy. I would say it was becoming so popular perhaps "more popular" would have been better, 90% of people i assure you, still don't even know what Linux is. Windows was easier for me, came installed on my computer, no set up, no configuration.. just started up all i had to do was change the name from Admin to Matthias. Oh and ive not had one virus or any malicious software yet (i bet i get one now) I do think people are fed up with a lot of aspects of windows, Linux isn't a ready competitor yet, but isnt far off. -------------------------------------------- Stay away from my signature all of ya!!! IM WARNING YOU!! PEW PEW PEW PEW!
Dearwin coracao ardente	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:59:00 - [12] As much as I love linux (and I do) it certainly wont come near to a truly competitive market share OS any time soon. I think people forget how little of the full computing market share is for home users. Theres hundreds of millions of dollars and even more man hours invested in incredibly niche business applications. Billing Software, Financial database apps, inventory software. All based exclusively on Windows, many DEPENDENT on MS code. Its companies buying thousands of desktops on a wim that decides the trends of market share, not grandmas using Ubuntu at home cause their son told them so. Those companies for the vastly large majority will continue to buy MS based desktops, servers and architectures, because the software they depend on to function is based on those same MS systems. It sucks, but its a unavoidable fact. Beagle Corp Fun
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:00:00 - [13] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 27/06/2007 15:00:44 Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Frezik At this point, I don't think there will ever be serious competition to Microsoft for desktop operating systems. The reason is that there's no conceivable reason to entice people to switch. If Linux was as easy to install as inserting a CD and turning the system on, and it had 100% application compatibility with Windows, you still couldn't get the majority of the people to use it. To them, it's a hassle that would give them the same practical results that they can get right now with Windows. Most people don't care. Most people just want to browse the Internet and use their email. And that is why Ubuntu is becoming so popular; it does that extremely well with zero hassle and with no need for any real computer knowledge. It doesn't get viruses, and it doesn't get spyware, and so people are happy. I would say it was becoming so popular perhaps "more popular" would have been better, 90% of people i assure you, still don't even know what Linux is. Windows was easier for me, came installed on my computer, no set up, no configuration.. just started up all i had to do was change the name from Admin to Matthias. Oh and ive not had one virus or any malicious software yet (i bet i get one now) I do think people are fed up with a lot of aspects of windows, Linux isn't a ready competitor yet, but isnt far off. I think Vista is going to be the main turning point. It is annoying consumers enough that they're calling the computer companies and asking for something different, even if its just Windows XP. Originally by: Dearwin As much as I love linux (and I do) it certainly wont come near to a truly competitive market share OS any time soon. I think people forget how little of the full computing market share is for home users. Theres hundreds of millions of dollars and even more man hours invested in incredibly niche business applications. Billing Software, Financial database apps, inventory software. All based exclusively on Windows, many DEPENDENT on MS code. Its companies buying thousands of desktops on a wim that decides the trends of market share, not grandmas using Ubuntu at home cause their son told them so. Those companies for the vastly large majority will continue to buy MS based desktops, servers and architectures, because the software they depend on to function is based on those same MS systems. It sucks, but its a unavoidable fact. Actually, that's probably where the change will occur first. Its already happening in governments; many state and national governments are moving over to open source software, starting with OpenOffice and such, because they don't want to be bound to Microsoft any longer. It'll take a while for the OS move to take place, but my guess is that it'll happen when Microsoft stops supporting Windows XP and 2000. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
Dearwin coracao ardente	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:43:00 - [14] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 27/06/2007 15:00:44 Actually, that's probably where the change will occur first. Its already happening in governments; many state and national governments... To be honest its happening in City Councils, County Offices, organizations who might only buy handfuls of desktops and supporting software at a time, and once again to be honest, dont matter. Then there are the huge international banks, the massive tech/industry companies who as I said, will literally buy hundreds or thousands of desktops and accompanying software on a whim. I would say the only real chance that other OSs and software packages will have is when the true "Web 2" technologies come out. Platform independent server based computing etc buzzword etc is probably the only chance to get away from the current deadlock. (Hell, you can almost do everything you would in MS Office now in GMail). But that will still be many many years away I think. Beagle Corp Fun
Vari Carbide Industries	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:46:00 - [15] Edited by: Vari on 27/06/2007 15:47:44 Originally by: MrTriggerHappy And 7.04 boots up faster too 7.04 does not boot quickly. Making up facts from your altered perception of the OS just shows you're a fanboy. But that's a moot point cuz 7.10 does boot quickly, and more importantly runs much cooler (laptop).
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.27 18:20:00 - [16] Originally by: Vari Edited by: Vari on 27/06/2007 15:47:44 Originally by: MrTriggerHappy And 7.04 boots up faster too 7.04 does not boot quickly. Making up facts from your altered perception of the OS just shows you're a fanboy. But that's a moot point cuz 7.10 does boot quickly, and more importantly runs much cooler (laptop). My Ubuntu Feisty box boots faster than my XP box. I know thats no indicator (them being different machines, theres a hundred reasons why) but still. Certainly isn't a long boot up. --------
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.27 19:24:00 - [17] I feel i was too mature.... MICROSFT RULES SHUT UP HATERS!!! USE VISTA IT BE GOOD! RA RA RA LINUX SUX HahahahahaHAHAHAHahahHAHHAhaahHAHAhAAHAhAhAhHAahaHAHAhahAAHAHahAHAHA DS is a smelly poo. -------------------------------------------- Stay away from my signature all of ya!!! IM WARNING YOU!! PEW PEW PEW PEW!
Frezik Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.27 20:44:00 - [18] Originally by: Dearwin I think people forget how little of the full computing market share is for home users. Very true so far, but . . . Quote: Theres hundreds of millions of dollars and even more man hours invested in incredibly niche business applications. Billing Software, Financial database apps, inventory software. All based exclusively on Windows, many DEPENDENT on MS code. Many systems are dependent on MS code, but many others are not. Not only that, but many systems are dependent on very old MS code. I flew out to New York a few months ago, and on the way back they left my luggage in O'Hare (my layover stop). The lady who helped me track it down was using a Win3.1 system. The software I write for a living right now will never see any legitimate home use, but it doesn't run on Microsoft stuff, either. It's all web application code built for a specific business. We're on an old-style Unix system now, but will probably be on Linux soon. I doubt any of it will ever touch a Microsoft OS.
Frezik Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.27 20:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Mtthias Clemi I feel i was too mature.... MICROSFT RULES SHUT UP HATERS!!! USE VISTA IT BE GOOD! RA RA RA LINUX SUX HahahahahaHAHAHAHahahHAHHAhaahHAHAhAAHAhAhAhHAahaHAHAhahAAHAHahAHAHA DS is a smelly poo. Yeah? Well, your mom.
RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.06.27 20:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Frezik Originally by: Mtthias Clemi I feel i was too mature.... MICROSFT RULES SHUT UP HATERS!!! USE VISTA IT BE GOOD! RA RA RA LINUX SUX HahahahahaHAHAHAHahahHAHHAhaahHAHAhAAHAhAhAhHAahaHAHAhahAAHAHahAHAHA DS is a smelly poo. Yeah? Well, your mom. Let's get off of moms, because I just got off of yours.
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.27 22:06:00 - [21] Originally by: RedFall Originally by: Frezik Originally by: Mtthias Clemi I feel i was too mature.... MICROSFT RULES SHUT UP HATERS!!! USE VISTA IT BE GOOD! RA RA RA LINUX SUX HahahahahaHAHAHAHahahHAHHAhaahHAHAhAAHAhAhAhHAahaHAHAhahAAHAHahAHAHA DS is a smelly poo. Yeah? Well, your mom. Let's get off of moms, because I just got off of yours. oooooo burrrnnnn -------------------------------------------- Stay away from my signature all of ya!!! IM WARNING YOU!! PEW PEW PEW PEW!
Barbarellas Daughter Lonely Barbarella	Posted - 2007.06.27 22:14:00 - [22] Originally by: Dark Shikari I think Vista is going to be the main turning point. didnt they say that when xp has been released too? imo windows is like eve: it gets laggier day by day, but (even more) people still use it. ____________________________________________ Originally by: Marduk Felzhen You have an amazing cleavage, except you have no arms :(
Hydraxian Gallente Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.27 22:15:00 - [23] I think i can offically say that Matthias is bored lol And to answer the OP... yes, there will be a "real" opponent or choice to windows within the next 5 years i think. The falling prices of "good" PCs has driven to higher and higher sales in both destops and Laptops, meaning more and more people will be asking to get away from Micro$oft bull****. However athough i agree ubuntu is pretty damn good (personal bootloader problems aside) the thing that will really hit Windows on the head is a OS that can use all the software Windows can (and i mean off the shelf) without messing about with WINE ect.
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.27 22:28:00 - [24] Originally by: Hydraxian I think i can offically say that Matthias is bored lol And to answer the OP... yes, there will be a "real" opponent or choice to windows within the next 5 years i think. The falling prices of "good" PCs has driven to higher and higher sales in both destops and Laptops, meaning more and more people will be asking to get away from Micro$oft bull****. However athough i agree ubuntu is pretty damn good (personal bootloader problems aside) the thing that will really hit Windows on the head is a OS that can use all the software Windows can (and i mean off the shelf) without messing about with WINE ect. roll your eyes at me again and the next time i see you im gunna hit you over the head with a chair... -------------------------------------------- Stay away from my signature all of ya!!! IM WARNING YOU!! PEW PEW PEW PEW!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.27 22:47:00 - [25] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 27/06/2007 22:46:06 Originally by: Barbarellas Daughter Originally by: Dark Shikari I think Vista is going to be the main turning point. didnt they say that when xp has been released too? No they didn't; that's a stupid argument. Vista is just like ME; it will be a complete marketing failure and Microsoft will likely completely throw out the code in favor of something better. If they come out with a new OS fast enough, they'll succeed in the marketplace. If they don't, they'll be replaced. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
Brolly Caldari Templars of Space Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.27 22:50:00 - [26] I kinda like unbuntu, but it does'nt like me. Trying to install nvidia drivers, flash was a nighty. Would'nt be so bad but I borked up my EVERYTHING. /me sucks
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.06.28 00:35:00 - [27] I want someone to make a GameOS. This is how I imagine it: Needs about 32megs of RAM to run the basic OS. It's graphical, but doesn't have all the crap the Vista does (but you can add it if you want with stuff like WindowBlinds). It's OldSchool for gamers who want performance over ease of use. It only installs the drivers for things that are in your comp, so just your vid card, sound card, NIC, etc. None of this "We have everything that was ever used" crap. The only standard software is a web browser and text editor. You can install stuff for network monitoring and the like. Printers, Scanners, all that is optional in the basic installation. If you install the basic stuff, you have input devices, a monitor, and graphics and sound. That's it. This should keep it in the dozens, maybe hundreds of MB of HD space for the installation. Imagine if you could actually use your system's RAM for playing games, not running useless services that may be used at some point. Obviously, this wouldn't be the system you use for business. This is purely for entertainment, sort of like a Console in a PC, but with far more functionality and upgradability. I know it's a pipe dream, but it's my pipe dream. And I long for this day. PS - it also wouldn't cost an arm and a leg. I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
Miss Anthropy School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.06.28 00:41:00 - [28] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 27/06/2007 22:46:06 Originally by: Barbarellas Daughter Originally by: Dark Shikari I think Vista is going to be the main turning point. didnt they say that when xp has been released too? No they didn't; that's a stupid argument. Vista is just like ME; it will be a complete marketing failure and Microsoft will likely completely throw out the code in favor of something better. If they come out with a new OS fast enough, they'll succeed in the marketplace. If they don't, they'll be replaced. I agree. ME was FUBAR and Microsoft where quick to titillate consumers by marketing XP once they'd seen how bad ME was. They were desperate to restore public trust and released XP around 18 months after ME. Personally I think XP is Microsoft's best creation so far. Vista is just a messy collection of bad ideas. They couldn't even be bothered to put in the stuff they really wanted to (like the new file system WinFS) because they spent all their time concentrating on DRM and Aero. Vista is just a bloated shell for DRM that is failing in it's sales. Sure, it's got a few nice widgets and handy features, but it's ultimate aim is to control YOU.
Daedalus DuGalle Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.28 00:43:00 - [29] I'm trying....but linux just isn't idiot-proof like XP is. Plus, the first time a newbie sees a Terminal command for installing stuff he/she is likely to panic. Like me. Originally by: Janu Hull Nothing says gritty cynicism like a 1 ISK note wedged between a pair of silicone enhanced knockers.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.28 01:07:00 - [30] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/06/2007 01:05:39 Originally by: Daedalus DuGalle I'm trying....but linux just isn't idiot-proof like XP is. Plus, the first time a newbie sees a Terminal command for installing stuff he/she is likely to panic. Like me. XP is idiot-proof? It doesn't even have proper privilege separation; one idiot move and the entire OS won't work. Linux, on the other hand, you have to specifically give admin privileges if you want to screw with anything critical. If you don't tell it specifically to do something stupid, it'll just work without you messing with it. (and every single common operation in Ubuntu can be done without touching a terminal) 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!

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