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Jesters Knight Eclipse Enterprises Empire Research	Posted - 2007.06.28 14:16:00 - [1] i think that if CCP is going to force me to keep around a player who is intent on stealing or shooting his corpmates then they should get stuck in the corp as long as they CEO piles on roles. i mean really, IRL if im fired im out that miniute, im nto given 24 hours to grab everything i can and run. if the player reomves roles then yes, i think there should be a 24 hour grace period. if the CEO kicks them then they should be gone instantly and put into an NPC corp. or given 15 miniutes warning then they are putout. this whole leaving and kicking from a corporation is bull Highsec POS's Skip the wait and research in the fast lane (lets see if the webserver holds)
Jesters Knight Eclipse Enterprises Empire Research	Posted - 2007.06.28 14:39:00 - [2] Edited by: Jesters Knight on 28/06/2007 14:39:01 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Wendat Huron Edited by: Wendat Huron on 28/06/2007 14:26:20 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Jesters Knight i think that if CCP is going to force me to keep around a player who is intent on stealing or shooting his corpmates then they should get stuck in the corp as long as they CEO piles on roles. i mean really, IRL if im fired im out that miniute, im nto given 24 hours to grab everything i can and run. if the player reomves roles then yes, i think there should be a 24 hour grace period. if the CEO kicks them then they should be gone instantly and put into an NPC corp. or given 15 miniutes warning then they are putout. this whole leaving and kicking from a corporation is bull 1. If he's stealing you can always deny him access to corporate assets. 2. If he's shooting at people you can shoot back How can the player in question counter being unable to leave said corporation? Form his own corporation, he then leaves regardless of roles and can be declared upon. So what if he's a new player and doesn't have a million isk to spend on it? The problem here is there's a lack of options for the player being "trapped" in his corporation. Plus, he probably isn't interested in forming his own corporation - and there's nothing wrong with that. i agree, however there should be ways for CEO/Director to get back stolen goods from a corpthief. as it sits now anyoen can take all of the stuff out of the hangers, drop roles, and in 24 horus jump into an NPC corp and be off free and clear. if you suicide gank someone for stealing from you then its considerd harassment and you can get banned (note, if you suicide everyone for the reason "they have good lewt" your cool, but he can say he stole from you and your bent on revenge, harassment), and you cant wardec an NPC corp. EDIT: gang != gank Highsec POS's Skip the wait and research in the fast lane (lets see if the webserver holds)
Jesters Knight Eclipse Enterprises Empire Research	Posted - 2007.06.28 15:45:00 - [3] Originally by: Cheunger Originally by: Jesters Knight i think that if CCP is going to force me to keep around a player who is intent on stealing or shooting his corpmates then they should get stuck in the corp as long as they CEO piles on roles. i mean really, IRL if im fired im out that miniute, im nto given 24 hours to grab everything i can and run. if the player reomves roles then yes, i think there should be a 24 hour grace period. if the CEO kicks them then they should be gone instantly and put into an NPC corp. or given 15 miniutes warning then they are putout. this whole leaving and kicking from a corporation is bull EVE is not real life. Get it into your head. If it's against the rules in EVE to prevent a player from leaving the corp, then it's petionable and the person adding on roles should be punished. This is plain and simple. If you want to use real life, then read this: When you get fired (in Canada at least), the manager must give you a 2 week notice. So really...you have 240 hours to grab what you can. and what happens to you if you walk out with the company comptuer there? do they simply call you and say "hey, give that back!" or is there something more they can do to you? in the states you walk out with something you are tossed in jail and fined (unless you have a really slick lawyer, then that may change things) the point is that this is the only way someone can combat a corp thief. CCP gives thieves a huge amount of tools in this area, and the only one they give a CEO they claim is an exploit. Highsec POS's Skip the wait and research in the fast lane (lets see if the webserver holds)
Jesters Knight Eclipse Enterprises Empire Research	Posted - 2007.06.28 15:50:00 - [4] Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Saori Rei If the op stole from the corp. Then she deserves what is happening to her and I agree with the corp completely. If she -didn't- then this is griefing and causing misery. therefore is the way of eve... so sadly tough nuts :S don't be a muppet. Stealing from a corp IS NOT an exploit, it is perfectly allowed in eve no matter how lame it is. Holding someone in a corp against their will by adding roles IS an exploit. nuff said. DE So what do you propose in order to get back at a corp thief assuming they move into an NPC corp? you cant war-dec them. if you suicide them over and over then you are harassing, and can be banned. so, what do you propose to do to get back at a corp thief? Highsec POS's Skip the wait and research in the fast lane (lets see if the webserver holds)
Jesters Knight Eclipse Enterprises Empire Research	Posted - 2007.06.28 16:31:00 - [5] Originally by: Igus Originally by: Jesters Knight Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Saori Rei If the op stole from the corp. Then she deserves what is happening to her and I agree with the corp completely. If she -didn't- then this is griefing and causing misery. therefore is the way of eve... so sadly tough nuts :S don't be a muppet. Stealing from a corp IS NOT an exploit, it is perfectly allowed in eve no matter how lame it is. Holding someone in a corp against their will by adding roles IS an exploit. nuff said. DE So what do you propose in order to get back at a corp thief assuming they move into an NPC corp? you cant war-dec them. if you suicide them over and over then you are harassing, and can be banned. so, what do you propose to do to get back at a corp thief? Simple, better control over corp assets. Don't give anyone access to things they don't need access to. A locked down corp roles may be a pain but it is well worth the price of a little annoyance. Problem is that if this is the incident that i think it is then the stuff was pulled out of the ship maintinance array. there is not any granular control over that structure, either the whole corp can take or nobody can. while i agree with corp roles that is one instance where it jsut dosent work because of a "feature" by CCP. if the corp hanger had been looted then lol noobz, you got jacked. but the fact is that there was no way to stop just the people who were high risk and allow others in that situation. Highsec POS's Skip the wait and research in the fast lane (lets see if the webserver holds)
Jesters Knight Eclipse Enterprises Empire Research	Posted - 2007.06.28 16:33:00 - [6] Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Jesters Knight So what do you propose in order to get back at a corp thief assuming they move into an NPC corp? you cant war-dec them. if you suicide them over and over then you are harassing, and can be banned. so, what do you propose to do to get back at a corp thief? I suggest doing anything you like without blatantly disregarding the rules. There is no excuse for breaking them, simple. DE thats exactly my point. there is NOTHING you can do in that case that is not against the rules. if there is please tell us. Highsec POS's Skip the wait and research in the fast lane (lets see if the webserver holds)
Jesters Knight Eclipse Enterprises Empire Research	Posted - 2007.06.28 16:57:00 - [7] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr It's petitionable as harassment and is taken very seriously. Arguing the point is futile. no, arguing the point gets it fixed. you whine enough on the forum and the DEV's fix it. and while it dosent effect me right now i would like it fixed before it does. Highsec POS's Skip the wait and research in the fast lane (lets see if the webserver holds)
Jesters Knight Eclipse Enterprises Empire Research	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:51:00 - [8] to the people who dont get what i am saying. 1. there was no amount of management to stop this (if it was was posted about yesterday) anyone in the corporation could take out of the hanger array, if it was taken from a corp hanger then its managements fault, if it was taken from the hanger array after removal of roles then its CCP's fault. he gained the assets by exploiting a bug, and therefore i see no problem in seeing using a bug to combat it. corp theft will happen, manage your stuff accordingly, BOTH exploiters should be banned, not just the CEO 2. "People like me" donÆt ruin any type of game style. You assume that the only reason people *** on the forum is because they got killed. There are a few issues that you would agree on with me, and the only way they will ever get attention is by *ing on the forum. I never once **ed about anything that wasnÆt a true bug in the game (or GM's not knowing what was going on). Take your self righteousness elsewhere, CCP has screwed up on this one and needs to addressee it. if you donÆt like the things that are getting ôfixedö then maybe you should think about the things you would like to have fixed and start talking about them. The issue I have was never weather it was legitimate or right to hold someone in a corporation against their will using roles, the problem is that that is the ONLY way you are guaranteed to be able to make them pay. Solutions like ôget your friends and kill themö donÆt work when they run back to an NPC corp. Corp theft is part of the game; it will always be part of the game. ThatÆs one of the reasons I enjoy this game is because you can do whatever you want (IÆm not saying I endorse corp theft, just saying that the fact that it is an option makes the game that much better). My complaint here is that as far as I can tell, it is a bug in the way ship arrays work at POSÆs where you donÆt have to have any roles to pull stuff out of it. and anyone who has lived in lowsec out of a POS can tell you that using a password simply doesnÆt work on the bubble. My second complain (although much more minor) is that there is no way to combat against corp thieves who run to NPC corps. You canÆt wardec them and if you suicide them over and over you are harassing them. Highsec POS's Skip the wait and research in the fast lane* (lets see if the webserver holds)

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