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Billionaire Carebear University of Caille Gallente Federation 66	Posted - 2012.01.06 20:40:00 - [1] - Quote So with hulkisissydom almost upon us, why has not a fleet formed for the express purpose of defending miners for the duration? Seriously, a lone hulk as bait then swoop in to smash the gankers, forfeiting the hulk obviously. Or actively inhabiting an asteroid field and space station to protect a fleet of miners and taking a cut of the ore sales. Don't whine that hulkisissydom is upon us, Profit From It! "I don't want barges to have a viable tank, because I want to gank those when hulkagaddon rolls by in half a month." See? Doesn't telling the truth make you feel better? --áGoose99
Cannibal Kane Kane's Privateers 181	Posted - 2012.01.06 21:04:00 - [2] - Quote Billionaire Carebear wrote: So with hulkisissydom almost upon us, why has not a fleet formed for the express purpose of defending miners for the duration? Seriously, a lone hulk as bait then swoop in to smash the gankers, forfeiting the hulk obviously. Or actively inhabiting an asteroid field and space station to protect a fleet of miners and taking a cut of the ore sales. Don't whine that hulkisissydom is upon us, Profit From It! Your name point to your misunderstanding of how this works. Ganks depends on alot of DPS very quickly. How do you plan on fortifying the hulk for the 1-3 seconds it takes to pop one? "Demoralize the Enemy from within by Surprise, Terror, Sabotage, Assassination. This method of Guarilla Warfare is the only Method of Warfare for me"
Billionaire Carebear University of Caille Gallente Federation 66	Posted - 2012.01.06 21:12:00 - [3] - Quote Ok, the suiciders expect to die as soon as they open fire in secure space, anybody in a fleet with the hulk will then be able to attack whoever attacked the hulk first, right? If I am mining in secure space and somebody shots at me then concord will pound them while letting me do some return pounding of my own. Sure the hulks doing the mining may go down, but any kills made by warships in their own fleet should be shared with them, right? Spoils Of War? Yes I am new-ish, but I lack combat experience, please enlighten me? "I don't want barges to have a viable tank, because I want to gank those when hulkagaddon rolls by in half a month." See? Doesn't telling the truth make you feel better? --áGoose99
Jaa-Ko Arakal Dogmatic Citizens NZAU Alliance 6	Posted - 2012.01.06 21:23:00 - [4] - Quote Concord is going to kill them in like 7 seconds anyways, not really a point to try and add DPS to concordokken.
Billionaire Carebear University of Caille Gallente Federation 66	Posted - 2012.01.06 21:28:00 - [5] - Quote I hear tale of 30 battleships jumping from place to place and smashing single hulks as they find them. I imagined the chaos of the 30 ship strong suicide ganker fleet firing on a hulk only to find 10 fleetmate warships also with the hulk and getting a few kills of their own before concord can arrive, and perhaps enticing some of the gankers who did not fire on the hulk to start firing on the defending battleships. It seems like a fun party till Concord jumps in and ends the festivities. "I don't want barges to have a viable tank, because I want to gank those when hulkagaddon rolls by in half a month." See? Doesn't telling the truth make you feel better? --áGoose99
Cannibal Kane Kane's Privateers 181	Posted - 2012.01.06 21:43:00 - [6] - Quote Billionaire Carebear wrote: I hear tale of 30 battleships jumping from place to place and smashing single hulks as they find them. I imagined the chaos of the 30 ship strong suicide ganker fleet firing on a hulk only to find 10 fleetmate warships also with the hulk and getting a few kills of their own before concord can arrive, and perhaps enticing some of the gankers who did not fire on the hulk to start firing on the defending battleships. It seems like a fun party till Concord jumps in and ends the festivities. Incorrect.... It does not take 30 BS to kill a hulk. Hell Destroyer can kill a hulk. And why would they shoot at ships they did not come to shoot at, and when they are not even red to them. Being in the same fleet does not share Aggro. Stop posting. "Demoralize the Enemy from within by Surprise, Terror, Sabotage, Assassination. This method of Guarilla Warfare is the only Method of Warfare for me"
Smiling Menace Star Nebulae Holdings Inc. 97	Posted - 2012.01.06 21:46:00 - [7] - Quote Billionaire Carebear wrote: I hear tale of 30 battleships jumping from place to place and smashing single hulks as they find them. I imagined the chaos of the 30 ship strong suicide ganker fleet firing on a hulk only to find 10 fleetmate warships also with the hulk and getting a few kills of their own before concord can arrive, and perhaps enticing some of the gankers who did not fire on the hulk to start firing on the defending battleships. It seems like a fun party till Concord jumps in and ends the festivities. I am not sure why anyone would do this purely for a KM? Think the Hulk pilot maybe a tad p!ssed off to say the least. Just get a Basilisk or a Scimitar and RR the barge all the time it's in the belt....will make it very hard (but not impossible) to gank the barge then. Failing this, get a cheap ship and join in the ganking...it's fun, you may even like it.
Billionaire Carebear University of Caille Gallente Federation 66	Posted - 2012.01.06 21:52:00 - [8] - Quote The point is to be immune from Concord while you smash on the hulkisissydom participants. The miners are forfeit, a barge with a single lvl1 mining laser - BAIT! Just set the barge going, exit the miner to be in a battleship. The point is to have a surprise waiting. The point is to have more FUN with the game. "I don't want barges to have a viable tank, because I want to gank those when hulkagaddon rolls by in half a month." See? Doesn't telling the truth make you feel better? --áGoose99
Kara Books Hedion University Amarr Empire 84	Posted - 2012.01.06 23:15:00 - [9] - Quote Billionaire Carebear wrote: So with hulkisissydom almost upon us, why has not a fleet formed for the express purpose of defending miners for the duration? Seriously, a lone hulk as bait then swoop in to smash the gankers, forfeiting the hulk obviously. Or actively inhabiting an asteroid field and space station to protect a fleet of miners and taking a cut of the ore sales. Don't whine that hulkisissydom is upon us, Profit From It! Im sure I can make some iSK to cover the cost of my ammo, but wouldn't it be smarter of me to instead ninja loot/salvage you and the dead hulk? then, maybe like wait in a cloaky and wait for your salvager to arrive and pop that for even more Tear...er..m... ISK
Flurk Hellbron Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 70	Posted - 2012.01.06 23:16:00 - [10] - Quote There is no hope for better with OP.
Billionaire Carebear University of Caille Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2012.01.06 23:23:00 - [11] - Quote BaH! I mothballed my hulks, I'm mining in battleships, and only doing missions at that, and not even gonna leave the hanger during February. I approve of hulkisissydom, so much in fact I am trying to come up with more ways to have fun with it. So, I guess I can also understand it when these hard-core barge-killers take offence to any rain on their parade. The game is not about ISK, not when people are willing to throw away ships to participate in suicide missions, the game is about FuN! "I don't want barges to have a viable tank, because I want to gank those when hulkagaddon rolls by in half a month." See? Doesn't telling the truth make you feel better? --áGoose99
Bad Messenger draketrain 95	Posted - 2012.01.06 23:24:00 - [12] - Quote how you can surprise guys who are already prepared to die under fire? If they kill hulk it is victory if not they lose, so only way to fight against them is to keep hulks alive. Maybe ehp tanked hulk with command ship boost for tanking and lot of constant remote repair going on. But then again raises question, why to do that? is it profitable to protect hulk? No, better is to grind isk for next hulk with that protection team.
Gizznitt Malikite Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 110	Posted - 2012.01.07 00:08:00 - [13] - Quote I'm writing a guide on how to use hulks and support ships to thwart ganker attempts, mainly to draw more people into PvP. In my expereince, pew pew is a drug, and carebear's just need one good tastes before their addicted!! A hulk can easily fit a 30+k EHP tank... With fleet boosts and links it'll exceed 40k. A Logi-ship can negate the dps of two BC's, and hence gankers will probably target it rather than the hulk. EWAR ships (especially falcons), can pretty much shut down most ganker attempts.... but will also draw their Ire. Oh... and concord's base response time is 20s in a 0.5 system. Typically, that's how long you have to survive.
Olivia Apex School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.01.07 00:55:00 - [14] - Quote Billionaire Carebear wrote: The point is to be immune from Concord while you smash on the hulkisissydom participants. The miners are forfeit, a barge with a single lvl1 mining laser - BAIT! Just set the barge going, exit the miner to be in a battleship. The point is to have a surprise waiting. The point is to have more FUN with the game. I don't think you understand how this happens. 30 BSes show up to kill 10 hulks (why BSes? Because in your example you made them idiots, normally it'd be cheaper ships). Now these BSes, thankfully, aren't so dumb as to all fire at one hulk and then the next, etc. What they do is, one BSes decides to kill a single hulk, another BSes decided to kill a different hulk, etc. leaving 20 BSes to jerk off. Okay, so now they fire and with any luck their VERY FIRST VOLLEY WILL DESTROY THE HULK. Concord shows up 4 seconds later and jams/scams and kills the only the BSes that fired. Now, what could you have done with your fleet to prevent this? You could have shot them before they shot the hulks, but then concord would kill you, and you wouldn't kill the BSes quickly enough. You could fire at them the second the fired at the hulks but the hulk dies anyway and so does the BS (due to concord, not you) so you haven't really contributed anything except to a reduction in ammo supply. There is not much you could effectively do to combat a suicide ganker. Now I've taken all this time to explain this to you because you said you were still new to the game. As a favor you could buy a few plexs and then purchase this fine pure breed orca pilot from me. This pure Orca character is for sale. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=609316
Billionaire Carebear University of Caille Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2012.01.07 01:21:00 - [15] - Quote Wow, yet again I will reiterate, the hulk is forfeit, the point is to be able to shoot back at the attackers without Concord shooting you. And ok, the gankers are in cheaper ships, so they don't stand a chance of still being there when Concord jumps in cause they will pop like beer cans. "The game is not about ISK, not when people are willing to throw away ships to participate in suicide missions, the game is about FuN!" - Billionaire Carebear
Jaa-Ko Arakal Dogmatic Citizens NZAU Alliance 7	Posted - 2012.01.07 02:09:00 - [16] - Quote There is no point in shooting at something that is planning on getting blown up a few seconds later. They are committing to death the moment they shoot at the hulk.
Smodab Ongalot Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 31	Posted - 2012.01.07 04:05:00 - [17] - Quote I fully endorse this product. The more things to shoot at the better: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12012503 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12011956 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12002718 <---270m hawk! http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11958540 Also, I encourage the use of logistics ships. We've been experimenting with some new ideas and will need some logistics targets this weekend.
Killstealing Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 324	Posted - 2012.01.07 15:34:00 - [18] - Quote Smodab Ongalot wrote: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12002718 <---270m hawk! Dread Guristas Piranha Light Missile1000249.95 M ok son
Billionaire Carebear University of Caille Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2012.01.07 18:26:00 - [19] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: Stop Posting. I Am Learning, Stop Complaining. I now understand more about combat than I did before. I am a carebear and have no practical experience with combat. Thanx all for the replies. "The game is not about ISK, not when people are willing to throw away ships to participate in suicide missions, the game is about FuN!" - Billionaire Carebear
LaurencecC DiNardo SKEET ELITE Sk33t Fl33t 0	Posted - 2012.01.07 20:18:00 - [20] - Quote If they were gonna hire some so called rent-a-cops, you might as well play like men and goto low sec, make more money, keep your protection, and do something other than play safe must get boring.
Roosterton Shattered Star Exiles SpaceMonkey's Alliance 234	Posted - 2012.01.07 21:13:00 - [21] - Quote Best way to (try and) stop suicide gankers: Fit shield RR to a Scorp, fit a mix of Minmatar/Gallente racial jammers to the same scorp. Have said scorp constantly cycle reps on your Hulk. When gankers appear, jam them. The combination of ECM + RR can increase the survivability of the Hulks. Of course, it still won't save you from an alpha strike. The true best way to avoid being ganked is to just watch d-scan and get out if you see obvious gank ships.
Nex apparatu5 Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 142	Posted - 2012.01.08 03:47:00 - [22] - Quote I just realized the OP's sig is him quoting himself. Holy **** that's pretentious.
Smiling Menace Star Nebulae Holdings Inc. 100	Posted - 2012.01.08 04:20:00 - [23] - Quote Nex apparatu5 wrote: I just realized the OP's sig is him quoting himself. Holy **** that's pretentious. Oh dear
Billionaire Carebear University of Caille Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2012.01.08 18:15:00 - [24] - Quote Roosterton wrote: The true best way to avoid being ganked is to just watch d-scan and get out if you see obvious gank ships. I have been running mining missions in battleships, and only once did somebody else jump in to my location, and my battleship turned tail and ran while I left my Hobgoblin's behind to cover my arse as I retreated. I have been able to infer that it was a 'Ninja' there to 'flip my cans'. But since I don't jetcan mine, all there was for him was my mission rat wrecks to scavenge. The only Hulk I still run is my Ice Miner, since I have not yet figured a way to Ice Mine from a Battleship, and it only comes out to run Ice Mining Missions about once a day. So all in all I feel rather safe with the precautions I take. And the small percentage of chance that somebody wants me bad enough, well they will obviously get me, so my ships are insured for the maximum value. And honestly, I would feel rather made welcome in the game if somebody actually cared enough to hunt me down and kill me despite of how cautious a player I am. "The game is not about ISK, not when people are willing to throw away ships to participate in suicide missions, the game is about FuN!" - Billionaire Carebear "I just realized the OP's sig is him quoting himself. Holy **** that's pretentious." --áNex apparatu5
Mr Bigwinky Click Click BOOM 4U Holdings Inc 92	Posted - 2012.01.10 13:38:00 - [25] - Quote To humour OP: RR pilgrim using short range D-scan or falcon with short range D. Uncloak when gank-ships en-route, activate sebo, possible win? Hulk alive at the end is the only way to win. Only way to keep it alive is RR, even then it's doubtful though. Another option is to hold alpha sebo snipers off-grid and get the hulk to short d-scan, alligned and warp in (if faster than cloaking delay) when they show up? 1 shotting gankers might work? I duno, trying to help you here OP... but it's hard. As for a win / not a win: if both parties are prepared to die then the one who gets the KM wins, regardless of the ship they're in. Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ
Gizznitt Malikite Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 125	Posted - 2012.01.12 20:49:00 - [26] - Quote Mr Bigwinky wrote: To humour OP: RR pilgrim using short range D-scan or falcon with short range D. Uncloak when gank-ships en-route, activate sebo, possible win? Hulk alive at the end is the only way to win. Only way to keep it alive is RR, even then it's doubtful though. Another option is to hold alpha sebo snipers off-grid and get the hulk to short d-scan, alligned and warp in (if faster than cloaking delay) when they show up? 1 shotting gankers might work? I duno, trying to help you here OP... but it's hard. As for a win / not a win: if both parties are prepared to die then the one who gets the KM wins, regardless of the ship they're in. There are several viable methods to counter a gank. I listed several things you can do in a guide I wrote: Guide to Thwart Gank Attempts..

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