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Alfius Togra
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Posted - 2004.01.20 09:35:00 -
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well post ur views here
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JINX HSC
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Posted - 2004.01.20 09:36:00 -
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yes
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Raven DeBlade
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Posted - 2004.01.20 09:36:00 -
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not really no
"To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees"
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Bane Sellante
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Posted - 2004.01.20 09:37:00 -
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Yes and No.
Yes for mining.
No for PVP.
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Ariell Lucinwind
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Posted - 2004.01.20 09:41:00 -
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Yes and No.
Yes = Strip mine the roid belts - we'll do the planets later
No = W00t lets go for PvP and get wasted and try it again in 4 weeks.
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.01.20 10:02:00 -
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Im getting my first ever BS soon, and I can't quite figure out what I am supposed to do with it.
I PvP mainly in a frigate, sometimes a cruiser, and the thought of flying around in a BS fills me with a sense of bewilderment. Not that I'll be flying it much at all, as I can't afford to equip or insure it.
Hey, it wasn't my idea to have one, my corp insisted I have it.
So the jury is out on BS's for me. At the moment, I don't think they are worth the minerals.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.01.20 10:09:00 -
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PvP only if your sure you going to have loads of fleet battles, but Battleship got nerfed pretty bad to count in 1vs1 against cruisers etc.
By the time you got a lock, their gone and long since forgotten.
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Bruce Karrde
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Posted - 2004.01.20 10:13:00 -
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a BS has many uses ...
it holds a certain status towards other players.
Cause you are wealthy enough to get one and learned all the skills to fly one.
It can be used as a fear-factor.
It can be used for stripping entire roid belts.
Yes i think a BS is worth it all ... just dont think you own the galaxy when you get one :)
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Ariell Lucinwind
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Posted - 2004.01.20 10:16:00 -
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Edited by: Ariell Lucinwind on 20/01/2004 10:16:42
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It can be used as a fear-factor.
It can be used for stripping entire roid belts.
LOL -- I subconsciously read that line as........
"The roids will fear you"
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.01.20 10:18:00 -
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if you don't mind throwing away 20-80Mil (depending on module cost and insurance) per BS you own, then don't bother.
They're not cheap to run.
But you can crush stuff a lot quicker.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.01.20 10:24:00 -
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Mining in a battleship... cmon...
Ok, theres not much left to do now since npc spreading is farked up, but mining in a battleship?
0.0 mining you mean.
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.01.20 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Miso on 20/01/2004 10:31:35
Mining in a tempest is wrong, so so wrong, but I may need to mine in Empire in order to pay for the insurance.
God, I feel so cheap and dirty now...
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F4ze
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Posted - 2004.01.20 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: F4ze on 20/01/2004 11:02:27
The risk/reward ratio is alot worse for battleships than for cruisers or frigates. So is it worth it? Depends on how good you are. There are people I wouldn't recommend getting a battleship .
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T'el'Alana Luathin
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Posted - 2004.01.20 11:02:00 -
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yup, Bshiping is fun!
First I got an armageddon, and that was a hoot!
Then I got an Apoc and never looked back.
It's a fun ship when mining, and great ship when npc-ing. Haven't pvp'd on it yet, but soon, soon.. 
T.L.
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Paddyman
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Posted - 2004.01.20 11:08:00 -
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Well i guess its how you play the game, for some there would be no point and many have wasted there money and time getting one.
But for others(myself included) couldn't play the game without one. Also people who's responcibility it is to defend an alliance/region/corp etc would need one as to give them the best possible defence if attacked.
Oh and i hate BS mining.
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Dracule
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Posted - 2004.01.20 11:24:00 -
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If peaple are casual players and will use it mostly for mining then NO.
Calculate how much time you spend on mining, how much the battleship costs, how much the insurance costs and finally do the math on how long it takes to actually pull a profit to move from a thorax to an apoc.
Planning on PVP, start in a frigate or/and a cruiser, then when you feel good enough move to a battleship.
SO basicly if you play many hours per day then battleship is worth it, else just use a cruiser.
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Stuart Ward
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Posted - 2004.01.20 11:26:00 -
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I use a Geddon for mining
An Apoc for Npc and PVP (if i can get any)
Lot of investment to risk, but a full power Apoc gives you such a rush in battle
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Skaz
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Posted - 2004.01.20 13:09:00 -
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Mining is all they're good for, too goddamn expensive to waste in a firefight, thats what frigates are for and cruisers for serious combat.
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toaster
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Posted - 2004.01.20 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: toaster on 20/01/2004 13:34:14
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Mining is all they're good for, too goddamn expensive to waste in a firefight, thats what frigates are for and cruisers for serious combat.
Guess it depends on what you're using a battleship for.
Battleships = critical in PvP combat
In my experience frigs/cruisers are nice in PvP as support ships, but you absolutely need BSs to deal damage and take punishment (unless you have 8 cruises vs 2 BSs, then maybe it's ok).
For those that have posted already, what do you do ingame? Do you PvP regularly?
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.01.20 13:34:00 -
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My corp directors have told me they will quit if I don't get into a BS.
Personally, I find them far too slow to be of any use other than a larger version of a kestrel with slightly more damage dealing powers.
I use a BB and absolutely love it. It is far more powerful in terms of 1 v 1 pvp than a BS.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Keenon
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Posted - 2004.01.20 13:34:00 -
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Like Every1 said be4 me its what u do with it.
For me where i gatecamp most of the time and i do it in 0.4-0.1 space , well u cant do that without a BS
To give u the reason - because there arent alot of cruisers that can shoot 60km away and if they can they wont do any DM, oh and u cant use missiles cause the gate guns will shoot them down.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.01.20 13:50:00 -
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I was worried about speed when I first upgraded to a BS.
As long as speed is your main target, achieving it isn't a problem, I could regularly gate at 1.4km/s in a scorp, and with still enough firepower to be able to smack down the worst my agent could dish out (not a lot, really, but that's btp).
My mega will top 1km/s pretty easily too.
if I had to take valuables from point A to point B, I'd take a BS, too.
I never thought I'd want one, but they are so versatile, I'm not sure what I'd do without one now.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.01.20 14:04:00 -
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I never thought I'd want one, but they are so versatile, I'm not sure what I'd do without one now.
Goddamnit dm, you were my last best hope at persuading rkk that bb's were much better. I thought you would quickly get bored of the lack of speed in a BS and get back into a BB!
Oh well, if you can't beat em....
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Soul Reaver
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Posted - 2004.01.20 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: Soul Reaver on 20/01/2004 14:11:48
Well Ive been flying my scorp for just a tad over 8 months now so I guess im attached. I suppose Im a bit of a sucker for good EW combos and trying to take on 2 ships at once styleee ha ha ha Fal thinks im too gung ho for my own good :(
If you dare not lose one then dont bother flying one otherwise you'll cry. I remeber doing a Sally and warping to a gate at Obe where I knew Biomass were camping. I wanted to try a new tactic out but had equipped the wrong modules ooppsss.
Anyway when I warped in I went to activate what I thought I had in med only to find I hadnt changed them over! In the time it took me to register this I was webbed and jammed and blown to all hell and back. That was the first one I lost and I could have cried. In fact I turned of my machine and went out ROFL. My current one is my 4th I think
Be you a Pirate or a Simple Alt creeper! Sooner or later you'll dance with Soul Reaver and His Amazing Underpants
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.01.20 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Blacklight on 20/01/2004 14:35:00
The trick is not to get one if you can't afford to keep insuring it.
As someone else said if you're going to get into a lot of fleet battles they're worth it, for fast raiding and 1 v 1 pvp maybe not such a good investment unless your skills & experience place you quite high up the food chain.
Sick as it is, mining in an Amarr BS is still worth the investment.
Personally I'm attached at the pod to my Scorp. Although I do love flying Caracals and BBs... if speeds not the most important thing you can't beat the Scorps flexibility.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Chai N'Dorr
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Posted - 2004.01.20 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: Chai N'Dorr on 20/01/2004 15:20:11
My mining alt has a BS to mine in... just due to lack of dedicated Mining ships.
With Chai I'll be getting my first BS soonish (after almost 8 months of playing). Don't know why actually, as I've only recently (since Castor) felt the need to fly the Cruisers I had as Level 3 Agent Kill Missions became too hard in my Rifter.
Mostly I'm getting a BS as some of my friends have them and want to venture into the tougher area's to hunt in and feel me in a Cruiser (or Frigate) would be a liability. Other reason is that I have this pile of cash lying around and want to spend it on something.
Naturally I am 'disappointing' them in getting a Typhoon over a Tempest just because it looks 'cooler'.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.01.20 16:15:00 -
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DB Preacher, it's not. The battleship driver must be a total nub in that case.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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RagnarH
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Posted - 2004.01.20 16:16:00 -
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they are worth it :)
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Jacob Molari
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Posted - 2004.01.20 16:27:00 -
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Good Question!
For mining, some BS can mount 6-8 Miner 2's and just******'roids... but that is an added benefit.
The Caracal has about the same firepower as many Tier 1 BS, so why not just man a fleet of those, with some BB flying EW.
I guess the real benefit of having a BS is to absorb damage. A BS will draw lots of fire, allowing other ships to fly havoc over the enemy.
In my mind, there are only probably three Cruises worth owning, and they are all caldari...
Caracal -> Raw Firepower
BlackBird -> F's with the enemy
Moa -> Well rounded, and can take a decent pounding.
A BS is absolutely required for 0.0 NPC hunting, in fact... if you like that shiney BS, better bring several for an NPC hunt.
So, I guess when I train up in Caldari ships, I'll switch from my "Dominix of Doom", to a caracal... I'll use the Dom to mine.
That may change when they get around to giving luv to drones. I can man a swarm of heavy drones, and I'll invest in repair drones when they are available.
I'm betting that the new drone classes will be huge... maybe 500 cubic meters or more (in that case the Dom could carry a max of 10).
My opinions only, but it's a great question people should ask themselves... do I really need a BS?
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Jacob Molari
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Posted - 2004.01.20 16:30:00 -
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OMFG!
The MODS ARE ON THE LOOSE!
Up above, where the **** appear, they censored the word... r.a.p.e
I said you can r.a.p.e asteroids in a BS...
MODS GONE WILD!!!!
see sig below \/
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DeathBunny
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Posted - 2004.01.20 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Death***** on 20/01/2004 16:34:07
BS = Usually a sign of wealth/power and on the other hand can be sign of stupidity.
If having one you are saying yes I worked my butt off getting this ship, more of a status symbol really since it can take a while getting it.
As for fighting in one well that depends, m0o for instance have a great PvP record. They have excelled in how to there ships for max preformance/damage. As for the rest of us thats a toss up between what you did prior to getting a BS really. Experiance in other ships in PvP is always a good thing prior to PvPing in a BS unless you train for it aka mock battles against experianced PvPers
Now BS's for mining theres only 4 true choices.
Arm = Cheap miner with 7 lasers (has good drone bay)
Apoc = The god of miners with 8 lasers (small drone bay but works)
Mega = Great miner with 7 lasers (has good drone bay)
Dom = Only 6 miners yes but still has the biggest drone bay for asortmants of Drones
Scorp = Only good for Deep Core Mining, because it has high CPU stats to fit more then a couple on without using loads of CPU's
The other races arn't really made for mining, with the typhoon, and raven sitting at 4 mining turrets max and tempest but expensive.
Fear The Bunny
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Ukiah
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Posted - 2004.01.20 16:32:00 -
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When I started playing Eve, I got caught up in the bigger/better/more powerful craze. I had a Mega before I should have. Once I had it, I initially sat around saying "now what do I do?" and then I sat around saying "I can't take this anywhere, I'll lose it".
They're too expensive to insure. I'm not well versed in PVP, so it'd be idiotic of me to try. I find I am FAR more interested in using a cruiser. Configured correctly, they're fast enough to run blockades and powerful enough to handle the npc's *I* fight. Cruisers are just far more flexible, maneuverable and fast for thw way *I* play the game. I've focused a lot of my skill development into using cruisers and cruiser based weapons/tactics.
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White Tiger
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Posted - 2004.01.20 16:35:00 -
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What's wrong with mining in a Battleship?
Just because it is called a BATTLESHIP doesn't automatically make it one.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.20 16:42:00 -
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"Goddamnit dm, you were my last best hope at persuading rkk that bb's were much better. I thought you would quickly get bored of the lack of speed in a BS and get back into a BB!
Oh well, if you can't beat em...."
Hush DB, and join the club... :s
(here's one good reason to get a battleship -- you can gank more corp mates with one at the same time :p
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.01.20 16:57:00 -
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In my mind, there are only probably three Cruises worth owning, and they are all caldari...
Caracal -> Raw Firepower
BlackBird -> F's with the enemy
Moa -> Well rounded, and can take a decent pounding.
Hmm, not sure about that. You saying a rupture, for example, is no good for PvP? Its certainly more use than a moa, thats for sure.
Anyway, back to battleships... I'm having trouble summoning the enthusiasm for one, perhaps I'll feel different when I get in it.
At the moment, I love frigates too much. Nothing beats tearing around space in a rifter.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.20 17:04:00 -
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"At the moment, I love frigates too much. Nothing beats tearing around space in a rifter."
flying in kestrel > flying in rifter
you avoid the drawback of moving around in ship that looks like space version of Centre Pompidou. :s
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.01.20 17:06:00 -
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"At the moment, I love frigates too much. Nothing beats tearing around space in a rifter."
flying in kestrel > flying in rifter
you avoid the drawback of moving around in ship that looks like space version of Centre Pompidou. :s
You caldari and your blinkered "everything is crap thats not caldari" rubbish...pah!
*polishes Rifter in corp hangar, kicks j0sephine's kestrel*
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.20 17:13:00 -
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"You caldari and your blinkered "everything is crap thats not caldari" rubbish...pah!"
You know that's true \o/
(okay, that's if TomB ever gets around to un-nerf things.. ;.;
"*polishes Rifter in corp hangar, kicks j0sephine's kestrel*"
Bah, pointless on both accounts; no amount of polish will help the Rifter, too many dents in my Kestrel already to make the difference. :s
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.01.20 17:16:00 -
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"At the moment, I love frigates too much. Nothing beats tearing around space in a rifter."
flying in kestrel > flying in rifter
you avoid the drawback of moving around in ship that looks like space version of Centre Pompidou. :s
Miso just loves trashcan ships.
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2004.01.20 17:39:00 -
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A Battleship becomes a useful combat asset assuming it takes up the role of 'flag-ship' or a heavy hitter in the rear, but a fleet made up entirely of BSs is a mistake. You really want a mixture of alpha-strike frigates and cruisers to do the meat of the battle, with a couple of battleships in the rear using their ranged weapons to create death from afar, provided they have a close-range combat escort at hand. Over specialise and you breed in weakness.
However, for a smaller corp, a battleship is really only useful for mining. Also, level 2 BSs aren't really much of an asset, since two level 1s will bring in far more profit. A mining fleet of battleships and haulers makes more sense, with the cruiser and frigates making up the majority of the naval arm.
So yes, they are an important part of the game, but they have their strengths and weaknesses. Mining and mining to build up a BS-only fleet is foolhardy.
Battle Angels Inc - The Movie
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.20 17:56:00 -
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"You caldari and your blinkered "everything is crap thats not caldari" rubbish...pah!"
You know that's true \o/
(okay, that's if TomB ever gets around to un-nerf things.. ;.;
"*polishes Rifter in corp hangar, kicks j0sephine's kestrel*"
Bah, pointless on both accounts; no amount of polish will help the Rifter, too many dents in my Kestrel already to make the difference. :s
Don't need to polish a Rifter. It's not like your eyes can track fast enough to actually see it. Not to mention your guns or missiles.
As for Battleships in general, depends on the role. I hop in and out of every ship in my hangar depending on role. Frigates, cruisers and battleships.
Is it worth it? Well, I wouldn't move my blueprints without one.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Miz Cenuij
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Posted - 2004.01.20 18:06:00 -
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OMG, lol. Is this thread for real.
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KIATolon
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Posted - 2004.01.20 18:17:00 -
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I got a BS early on in the game & I've never looked back.
If you cant think of reasons for it, you shouldnt be flying one. Save your 100mil for tech2 gear.
Also dont make the mistake of buying a ship because it looks cool. I did that with my first BS, the megathron. At the time I didnt have the right skills to make use of it. You need to take into account what bonuses you get for your BS & exploit it to the fullest otherwise your just flying a larger version of your pod.
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Shadowspawn
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Posted - 2004.01.23 04:08:00 -
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Hmm havent decided myself but in large fleet battles I say yes indeed they are justified.
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Papolytic
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Posted - 2004.01.23 04:54:00 -
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Since I can't yet afford one, they're most definitely not worth it. Isn't that the main determinant for everything in Eve? I took a long break from Eve after beta ended, in fact, I only just returned a couple weeks ago and am nearly ready for another long break, not that its any less amazing than it was in beta.
I think that to keep things on an even keel and to mesh with the amazingly precise balance of this game (*cough*), that everyone who has a battleship, or a fleet of them, should either recycle them into a thin watery gruel of navitasi, self-destruct, or give them to me or all of the above. This would make me feel better about battleships.
If that happened, then I'd immediately change my mind and say that battleships are the best things since PoPeel's salad shooter, or the Roncoe bottle and glass cutter, or beer.
If I actually keep playing, I'll probably be unable to avoid making enough money to get a BS in a couple of weeks, but I'd really rather get a big Detroit Buick. Where's the appeal in having a battleship when everyone has one? (or 20)? Give me a nice 1971 Buick 225 with mink lined seats and the hell with the battleships. A big old Buick could drive right through the center of a Megathron without taking any damage whatsoever, and without the 8-track tape deck skipping a single beat of Clapton.
Would you rather be confronted by 10 dudes in BS at a gate wanting all your stuff, your isk, and your life, or: Would you rather see me pimping by in my Buick offering you something you might actually enjoy? (and any filthy carnal extravaganza type of thoughts here are strictly in the mind of the beholder).
I think I'll skip tech 2, and head back to the future and get the Buick.
Seeya on the highway,
Papoly (Owner of the finest Buick in Eve)
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Mojo JoJo
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Posted - 2004.01.23 05:28:00 -
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i think for mining its a maybe for fight npc's in 0.0 space yeah probobly for pvp its something to work for learn in a frig/cruiser first
the nice fellows in EPA taught me that if you are fighting BS's in groups of more then 2 you will need BS support
got 6-7 cruisers and frigs at a gate 3 scorps will chew you up fast
but i wouldnt get a BS untill you can replace it without being set back to the stone age
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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.01.23 11:29:00 -
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A Battleship becomes a useful combat asset assuming it takes up the role of 'flag-ship' or a heavy hitter in the rear, but a fleet made up entirely of BSs is a mistake. You really want a mixture of alpha-strike frigates and cruisers to do the meat of the battle, with a couple of battleships in the rear using their ranged weapons to create death from afar, provided they have a close-range combat escort at hand. Over specialise and you breed in weakness.
However, for a smaller corp, a battleship is really only useful for mining. Also, level 2 BSs aren't really much of an asset, since two level 1s will bring in far more profit. A mining fleet of battleships and haulers makes more sense, with the cruiser and frigates making up the majority of the naval arm.
So yes, they are an important part of the game, but they have their strengths and weaknesses. Mining and mining to build up a BS-only fleet is foolhardy.
What game are you talking about?
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