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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.01.20 16:06:00 -
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Sitting in a system, awaiting an engagement to commence, then calling on ts, msn etc to get more pilots sat in an attacking formation around the gate you are on, to log on, and engage and destroy the foe you have engaged that thought he was getting into a 2v2 battle, not 2v6?
A petition will be sent by the involved parties, but I want to know if anyone knows if this is ok to do or not. Seems pretty lame to me tbf.
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.01.20 16:12:00 -
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log off trap. plenty of people use it, its not somthing we do ourself, but i dont really see how it can be stopped 
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Valeria
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Posted - 2004.01.20 16:16:00 -
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LOL, you guys did it all the time back when I had my Scorpion in Pure Blind. Maybe not you specifically, but still.
It's lame but a valid tactic.
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Mistress D'Malice
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Posted - 2004.01.20 16:24:00 -
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Agreed. VERY LAME, but nothing you can do either way to change it.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.01.20 16:28:00 -
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If this is a problem, suggest a fix, like having you appear in a random place in the system. If you logged in space in the system. It would also be a minimal hazzle to CTD:ed miners because I assume they can remember what belt they mined.
That's much better than giving even more powers to GMs that can be potentially abused.
(I diden't say that they would or do that)
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Harkan Ramientes
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Posted - 2004.01.20 16:30:00 -
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although isn't fair I doubt this can be considered an exploit since it doesn't rely on any bug
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.01.20 16:30:00 -
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BTW: Move this to General??
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Samus Aryan
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Posted - 2004.01.20 16:31:00 -
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Seems like just good tactics to me.
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Ivana Killya
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Posted - 2004.01.20 17:05:00 -
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erm have none of you ever heard of an ambush
every conflict ever fought has used this, isnt it the same as one ship at gate 4 bait and then he warp scams you and loads jump though gate and kill you 
sounds same 2 me map may say none in space but 10 jump in, ( ur kill on dirtyharry ) so is that a sploit aswell? COME ON GIRLS STOP MOANING 
when u w1n u r teh l33t, but when we w1n we r teh ch34t  same old same old 
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.01.20 17:13:00 -
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this has been petitioned before, during the original VA war. The answer was along the lines of 'no'.
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Finderne
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Posted - 2004.01.20 17:14:00 -
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Yeah, who needs cloaking modules? You can ninja login at full shields and cap
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2004.01.20 17:16:00 -
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tbh, i cant see that as an expliot eddz, its using a 3rd party piece of software to do it, which is beyond ccp's control.
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.01.20 17:35:00 -
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I dont like the idea of log-on ambushes, but with the current waiting-game style of play I don't really see what else there is to do but log off and do something else until someone on TS tells you there's gonna be a fight.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.01.20 17:37:00 -
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it's lame but as of yet valid.
Unless logging on on command is an exploit
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.20 17:39:00 -
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... Doesn't the people logging in the ongoing battle face similar situation as if they were warping to that location (has to load all info about location, might get stuck, various delay for each person logging on etc)
Kinda cheap tactics, but perhaps not that much unbalanced as it seems at first glance o.O;
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Garvan
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Posted - 2004.01.20 18:01:00 -
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2004.01.20 18:27:00 -
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... Doesn't the people logging in the ongoing battle face similar situation as if they were warping to that location (has to load all info about location, might get stuck, various delay for each person logging on etc)
Kinda cheap tactics, but perhaps not that much unbalanced as it seems at first glance o.O;
you appear cloaked for one, meaning you have time to load before you get shot, and you have an immense element of supprise......... why arnt we doing this
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.01.20 18:28:00 -
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tbh, i cant see that as an expliot eddz, its using a 3rd party piece of software to do it, which is beyond ccp's control.
CCP's definition of exploit is ANY tactic which circumvents the intentions of the game designers. Doesn't have to be abusing a bug.
Which makes it odd that they would say this isn't an exploit. But then, they do a lot of odd things; probably they figured this one is flat-out impossible to stop or punish, so they just decided to pretend it's a valid tactic.
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Klydor
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Posted - 2004.01.20 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Klydor on 20/01/2004 19:05:10
imo its not an exploit until ccp say it is, but it does strike me as unfair. I personally don't like the tactic, but then again so many people use it that those who don't will fall behind.
I like the suggestion of appearning in a random area of space when you log back on. Although, that would possibly help those using logging to avoid combat. I guess its which side people would rather be harder to do.
I beleive anything can be fixed, or at least the implementation changed to remove the possibility of abuse. It's just that this usually involves a trade off with allowing another area to be abused slightly more.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.01.20 19:06:00 -
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Crias Taylor
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Posted - 2004.01.20 19:59:00 -
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Edited by: Crias Taylor on 20/01/2004 20:01:03
I read an Eve Chornicle that has Tiny ambush pirates with 3 cloaked cruisers. Sounds like a vaild plan.
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toaster
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Posted - 2004.01.20 20:19:00 -
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I'd say it's definitely not an exploit or bug or anything, but maybe a shady way to fight if you agree to do a 1vs1 or 2vs2 or whatever battle and suddently a wave of ships show up.
I'm sure it's used a lot. I bet that once they implement a scanner where you can warp to anything it picks up, the use of this may drop dramatically (although the: warp to moon, instalogoff will increase dramatically too).
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Major Trucker
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Posted - 2004.01.20 20:55:00 -
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It's not exactly good tactics or a revolutionary idea. Someone was talking about this a few months back. But if your a total wipea$$ with no chance of beating someone 2vs2 why not, just don't petition when it happens in your home system for the next 3 months.
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Masi
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Posted - 2004.01.20 21:03:00 -
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Well there no point on cloaking if this is considered an exploit, i dont even think its lame. Have some 1 lure out an enm in a war with allies hidden behind trees or something is a good tactic
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Dirge
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Posted - 2004.01.20 21:15:00 -
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Edited by: Dirge on 20/01/2004 21:16:32
I disagree entirely, and think it's a flaw in game design that needs to be corrected in some way. Perhaps a 30 second log in timer where you can't fire, or be fired upon would be a good solution, although i'm not sure what the ramifications of such a change would be. My problem with it is the victim get's no warning of the ambush, which he would have if the attackers were jumping through a gate. It's unfair to players, and team's that don't use TS, and a very lame tactic imho.
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Ivana Killya
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Posted - 2004.01.20 23:13:00 -
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well if this needs fixing so does number of pilots in space on map !
it puts a sence of fear as u go 4 a lone ship,not knowing if 10 others will log on!
and this safespot thing will works both ways ask any pilot how many times its saved his ass in a pirate chase, how many inde pilots have lived,how many peeps have bin saved from being ganked by a pirate fleet
and the in space at all time idea lol LAG LAG LAG 10 or 12000 ships in space all the time lol get a grip and if all these ships r findable OMG even 2000 ships firing at these floating in space will lag all eve 2 3fps or just crash it.
why do so many people want 2 turn this game in 2 a mining sim! if u want safe stay in safe space,and if u want 2 attack pirates and b a hero u have 2 expect 2 die some times 4 your cause,whether u think it was fair or not,u just have 2 take it on the chin!
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Thalen Mort
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Posted - 2004.01.20 23:27:00 -
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Edited by: Thalen Mort on 20/01/2004 23:31:06
This should be considered an exploit. It can't be thought of a cloaking....you are not using a slot to do this...you haven't learned any skills to do this....
If you want to "lure" someone into a trap sit in the next system and jump in when requested. There is no item in the game that can be employed to detect your "hiding". So there is no defense against it.
The only thing I can think of for ccp to stop this practice is not really that practical....Have logging in in space take 3 minutes....most battles are over by then anyways....and have usuall log in time in stations.
Flame away....
P.S. KIAEddZ, I hope you petition is sucessful and you get your ship and equipment back.
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Darkrydar
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Posted - 2004.01.21 00:12:00 -
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log off trap. plenty of people use it, its not somthing we do ourself, but i dont really see how it can be stopped
LOL, you don't use it? LOL, seriously man, why lie like that? Your corp is notorious for doiing that.
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Iluyen
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Posted - 2004.01.21 09:57:00 -
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Watch out next thing he'll get a GM to say they don't use the tactic even though dozens of people have witnessed them doing it.
Evol is king of the lame tactics. Hiding in a safespot and waiting till your enemies go away to find something elso to do then sit on their ass all day then claiming you "ownerdz them" is a good one to.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.01.21 10:00:00 -
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Funny, since you seem to do the same, only from within a station 
Don't worry about it though, I'm sure you'll crank all of the juice out of, say, the Veritas frigate when it is released.
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